What does the Bible mean that we are not to judge others?

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“Nothing that we despise in other men is inherently absent from ourselves. We must learn to regard people less in the light of what they do or omit to do, and more in the light of what they suffer.”

“Judging others makes us blind, whereas love is illuminating. By judging others we blind ourselves to our own evil and to the grace which others are just as entitled to as we are.”

“Jesus himself did not try to convert the two thieves on the cross; he waited until one of them turned to him.”
― Dietrich Bonhoeffer
 
@unsafe help me to understand how your life has been changed by following "the truth" How do you live your life outside of here. We can make this a different thread if you want to respond. I'm also willing to have a private conversation about this if you prefer. I don't want to derail.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Unsafe, you really need to consider your images. Do feel free to message council members for pre-approval of images. Bibles carved into the shape of handguns would not normally fit into a range of accepted images.
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I have noticed over time a trend of posting those kind of disturbing and violent images when someone feels angry and threatened. Still not ok.
 
here is the thing ---when people say you can't judge me ---they are infact judging -----so it is a self defeating statement

So the world says people need to be more tolerant and less judgmental ------

more tolerant about what ------allowing atheists to preach their gospel to a Church that is said to be Christian and by that I mean people who say they are born again Holy Spirit filled ----- and say nothing all in the name of being more tolerant -----that in and by itself is destructive Judgment and for a true Christ--ian is in God's eyes is the greatest sin of all because True Christ--ians are suppose to protect their brother's and Sister's ---not watch them be transported to Hell in the name of worldly tolerance -----

What is not understood is that when a person accepts Christ they are infact newly Spiritually reborn and they are very venerable to the wolves and the physical world around them ------They are called Babes in Christ and Mature Christians are called to Shepard these new babes in Christ ------Judgment is needed to keep them safe and on track to follow Christ and mature in their Faith walk with Christ -----

Paul makes it very clear here who are to be judged ------and true Christ--ians are not to judge non believers ----for they live in the world and are not reconnected Spiritually to God -----they live as the world lives and God will be their Judge in their end -----they live not as the believer is suppose to live -----following Jesus Christ -----

1 Corinthians 5:12-13 (AMP)

12 For what business is it of mine to judge outsiders (non-believers)? Do you not judge those who are within the church [to protect the church as the situation requires]?

13 God alone sits in judgment on those who are outside [the faith]. Remove the wicked one from among you [expel him from your church].


Grave warning here in the last part of 13 ------pretty Judgmental words here -----

read all ----if you want to ----this is the whole scripture ----

1 Corinthians 5 (AMP)
Immorality Rebuked

5 It is actually reported [everywhere] that there is sexual immorality among you, a kind of immorality that is condemned even among the [unbelieving] Gentiles: that someone [a]has [an intimate relationship with] his father’s wife. 2 And you are proud and arrogant! You should have mourned in shame so that the man who has done this [disgraceful] thing would be removed from your fellowship!

3 For I, though absent [from you] in body but present in spirit, have already passed judgment on him who has committed this [act], as if I were present. 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I am with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5 you are to [b]hand over this man to Satan for the destruction of his body, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

6 Your boasting [over the supposed spirituality of your church] is not good [indeed, it is vulgar and inappropriate]. [c]Do you not know that [just] a little leaven ferments the whole batch [of dough, just as a little sin corrupts a person or an entire church]? 7 [d]Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new batch, just as you are, still unleavened. For Christ our Passover Lamb has been sacrificed. 8 Therefore, let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with leaven of vice and malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and [untainted] truth.

9 I wrote you in my [previous] letter not to associate with [sexually] immoral people— 10 not meaning the immoral people of this world, or the greedy ones and swindlers, or idolaters, for then you would have to get out of the world andhuman society altogether! 11 But actually, I have written to you not to associate with any so-called [Christian] brother if he is sexually immoral or greedy, or is an idolater [devoted to anything that takes the place of God], or is a reviler [who insults or slanders or otherwise verbally abuses others], or is a drunkard or a swindler—you must not so much as [e]eat with such a person. 12 For what business is it of mine to judge outsiders (non-believers)? Do you not judge those who are within the church [to protect the church as the situation requires]? 13 God alonesits in judgment on those who are outside [the faith]. Remove the wicked one from among you [expel him from your church].

unsafe says ----
All Believer have a moral obligation to keep their brothers and sisters in Christ on a safe track and therefore Right Judgment is need for this -----Discernment is called for -----

Strong's Concordance
diakrinó: to distinguish, to judge

Definition: to distinguish, to judge

Usage: I separate, distinguish, discern one thing from another; I doubt, hesitate, waver.

HELPS Word-studies
1252 diakrínō (from 1223 /diá, "thoroughly back-and-forth," which intensifies 2919 /krínō, "to judge") – properly, investigate (judge) thoroughly – literally, judging "back-and-forth" which can either (positively) refer to close-reasoning (descrimination) or negatively "over-judging" (going too far, vacillating). Only the context indicates which sense is meant.

[1252 (diakrínō) "literally means, 'to separate throughout or wholly' (dia, 'asunder,' krinō, 'to judge,' from a root kri, meaning 'separation'), then, to distinguish, decide" (Vine, Unger, White, NT, 125).]


unsafe says -----As a Born Again Holy Spirit Filled Chrst--ian I will never leave a babe in Christ to float around this wicked world who is trying to become a steady and stable follower of Christ and who is trying to strengthen their faith in their walk with Christ ----I will always use discernment and direct them in the right path towards their goal of being a True Disciple of Christ -----being a True Christ is very --very hard and one has to build up thick skin and be Rooted and Grounded totally in God's word AND Faith to be able to withstand the storms that Will come against them -----

That takes years to accomplish and lots of practice ------
 
And how has your path changed you @unsafe? What were you like before?

Frankly, I struggle with the brainwashing quality of some if this "guidance" in the truth. There is no room for independent thought, as that is seen as devil's work or the work of the enemy. That to me is a form of judging, for if the person does not follow the "right" path, they are wrong. That's a judgement.
 
It's cult tactics. Independent thought has to be shamed. Groupthink needs to become the standard.

It is easy to turn Christianity into a cult. It is the perfect vehicle for wannabe cult leaders. It's too easy to create an army of unsafe drones who are immune to logic, to promote the cult.

This is all one more problem for Christianity to deal with.
 
Northwind said:
And how has your path changed you @unsafe? What were you like before?

Frankly, I struggle with the brainwashing quality of some if this "guidance" in the truth. There is no room for independent thought, as that is seen as devil's work or the work of the enemy. That to me is a form of judging, for if the person does not follow the "right" path, they are wrong. That's a judgement.
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I also wonder what unsafe was like before, and actually, what she is like now, in daily life outside of this place.
 
Northwind ---your quote ---- That to me is a form of judging, for if the person does not follow the "right" path, they are wrong. That's a judgement.


unsafe says --and what if a child was walking out in front of a car and you judge them for doing that ---your saying that is wrong because it's judgment ----Wow ----WoW ----NO LOVE THERE IN MY OPINION -----

So you would allow a child to just do as they please with no correction ---no teaching from right or wrong cause that is judging -----again Wow ---Wow ---don't know where that comes from ----
 
There is, of course, a difference between "being judgmental" and "exercising judgment" (whether it is good or bad judgment). The latter meaning is closer to discernment.

The verb "judging" can allude to either definition which is always part of the problem when we have this conversation.
 
unsafe said:
Northwind ---your quote ---- That to me is a form of judging, for if the person does not follow the "right" path, they are wrong. That's a judgement.


unsafe says --and what if a child was walking out in front of a car and you judge them for doing that ---your saying that is wrong because it's judgment ----Wow ----WoW ----NO LOVE THERE IN MY OPINION -----

So you would allow a child to just do as they please with no correction ---no teaching from right or wrong cause that is judging -----again Wow ---Wow ---don't know where that comes from ----
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That's a completely different situation. Of course I would not allow the child to walk in front of the car. You make a huge leap in logic there.

Teaching is different from judging. In the road safety situation, giving the child the tools to be safe involves teaching, discussion, questions. Etc.

What I hear you preaching is that there is only one way to have a "true " faith. Anything else is of the devil. That's brainwashing. Even in the safety/road crossing example, there are different ways to accomplish that safely.

I really wonder about your comprehension sometimes unsafe.
 
There are 2 judgments ---worldly and Spiritual -----

Spiritual Judgment is concerned with the person staying out of Sin and being keeping them from bring duped in what is right and wrong in God's eyes -----

Northwind -----your quote ----That's a completely different situation. Of course----

unsafe says ----No it is not ---you have a Babe in Christ one who was in the world and is now living differently than they did -----they are prone still to their old ways and need guidance as to the proper actions to suit God not this world -----

There is no difference ----it is rightly judging right from wrong and guiding them to safety in the world they are in and in this case it is the Spiritual -----

if you can see that then ??????
 
paradox3 said:
There is, of course, a difference between "being judgmental" and "exercising judgment" (whether it is good or bad judgment). The latter meaning is closer to discernment.
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This is a critical point. Discernment can't exist where there is black and white thinking. It involves nuance and critical thinking skills

Using the child safety example, we teach children to assess the safety of the situation so they can decide whether to cross the road safely.

Discerning the message we are receiving is equally important. If we blindly accept what we are being "taught" we are being brainwashed.
 
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