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SAtheists do no wrong because nothing is done in their name?

No, I never said that. Stop twisting words. You cannot really do anything in the name of "Atheism" because there is no single entity or organization called "Atheism". "Atheism" is not the counterpart to "Christianity" and "Islam", it is the counterpart to "Theism". It is a broader heading. Secular humanists are atheists. Scientific materialists are atheists. Most (or at least many) communists are atheists. Wrongs have been done in the name of those ideologies, but the blame is on those ideologies, not on the nebulous broader term "atheism". If all atheism is to blame for the wrongs done by, say, Mao then ALL theism is to blame for the wrongs done by, say, ISIS or the Inquisition. At that point, you may as well blame "humanity" (the broadest possible term) for everything done wrong by humans which puts us back to Original Sin. And I do not believe that for a minute. Sure atheists have done wrong. Sure, atheist ideologies have been used to justify wrongs. But that does not put the blame on atheism, it puts the blame on those people or ideologies. Atheism is simply too broad and nebulous a concept to be blamed for anything. Ditto "theism" and "agnosticism" and "panentheism" and so on. These are concepts, not organized ideologies or religions.
 
I am saying the text is not always consistent with itself---which is what happens when multiple sources are redacted into one document
--Hi GordW -- Are you talking now by GODS Holy Spirit. Or have you Judged this by the mine of man? You see all the Apostles were teaching the infilling of GODS Holy Spirit. Perhaps you may want to look at that.
 
airclean33 ---your quote -------Hi GordW -- Are you talking now by GODS Holy Spirit. Or have you Judged this by the mine of man? You see all the Apostles were teaching the infilling of GODS Holy Spirit. Perhaps you may want to look at that.

Amen to that Brother ----
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--Hi GordW -- Are you talking now by GODS Holy Spirit. Or have you Judged this by the mine of man? You see all the Apostles were teaching the infilling of GODS Holy Spirit. Perhaps you may want to look at that.
You know full well what I mean...I mean there are multiple authors (all of whom may well have been inspired by their experience of God). ANd so there are multiple, and not always consistent, versions of stories and events.
 
No, I never said that. Stop twisting words. You cannot really do anything in the name of "Atheism" because there is no single entity or organization called "Atheism". "Atheism" is not the counterpart to "Christianity" and "Islam", it is the counterpart to "Theism". It is a broader heading. Secular humanists are atheists. Scientific materialists are atheists. Most (or at least many) communists are atheists. Wrongs have been done in the name of those ideologies, but the blame is on those ideologies, not on the nebulous broader term "atheism".

QUOTE]- I believe, were I underlined is true. Here is a bit more on it.

David H. Bailey
1 Jan 2017 (c) 2017
Introduction
Recently several books written by prominent authors have been published that attack religious belief as merely a natural phenomenon at best, and a pernicious delusion at worst. The four most prominent authors are Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens, who collectively are often called the "new atheists" [Dawkins2006; Dennett2006; Harris2006; Hitchens2007]. One of the key criticisms that these authors level against religion is that it cannot withstand a withering investigation by the methods of modern science. Richard Dawkins mentions "the great prayer experiment," a 2006 study where prayers were offered on behalf of patients undergoing surgery at several U.S. hospitals, but failed to find any significant difference in outcome, as proof positive that no God exists [Dawkins2006, pg. 85-90]. In this same vein, Daniel Dennett, asks for a "forthright, scientific no-holds-barred investigation of religion as one natural phenomenon among many" [Dennett2006, pg. 17].
It is worth pointing out that many creationist and intelligent design writers, who on virtually every other principle are at opposite poles from these atheist scholars, implicitly presume the same underlying tenet that religion must be empirically testable -- much of their literature consists of attempts to "prove" that God (or some supernatural entity) exists and created the world.

Scientific materialism
This common underlying worldview is known as "scientific materialism" or "scientism." As defined by twentieth century philosophers William James and Alfred North Whitehead, for instance, scientific materialism is the belief that physical reality, as made available to the natural sciences, is all that truly exists [Haught2010, pg. 48]. It is clear that there is little room for religion in this philosophical system, since religion involves faith in unseen and presumably empirically untestable entities.
But religion is not the only victim of this worldview. If we fully accept scientific materialism, we would also have to discard art, literature, music, and many other fields of human endeavor that are essential aspects of our modern world. More importantly, we need to ask what is the status of scientific materialism itself under this worldview. As John Haught observes [Haught2008, pg. 45]:

But if faith in God requires independent scientific confirmation, what about the colossal faith our new atheists place in science itself? Exactly what are the independent scientific experiments, we might ask, that could provide "evidence" for the hypothesis that all true knowledge must be based on the paradigm of scientific inquiry? If faith requires independent confirmation, what is the independent (nonfaith) method of demonstrating that their own faith in the all-encompassing cognitional scope of science is reasonable? If science itself is the only way to provide such independent assessment, then the quest for proper validation only moves the justification process in the direction of an infinite regress.
Along this same line, we could ask what are the scientific materialist underpinnings of the scientific ethic for seeking knowledge. Scientists presume and often assert that truth seeking and academic honesty are not merely locality- and time-dependent ethical standards, but instead are binding on all people at all times. But what makes this standard so universally and absolutely imperative? What "experiment" can one perform to deduce this universal principle? [Haught2010, pg. 116-117].
 
You know full well what I mean...I mean there are multiple authors (all of whom may well have been inspired by their experience of God). ANd so there are multiple, and not always consistent, versions of stories and events.
--Yes GordW --I agree with your post . I also think that is exactly what GOD intended . So to understand you need His holy Spirit. airiclean33
 
No, I never said that. Stop twisting words. You cannot really do anything in the name of "Atheism" because there is no single entity or organization called "Atheism". "Atheism" is not the counterpart to "Christianity" and "Islam", it is the counterpart to "Theism". It is a broader heading. Secular humanists are atheists. Scientific materialists are atheists. Most (or at least many) communists are atheists. Wrongs have been done in the name of those ideologies, but the blame is on those ideologies, not on the nebulous broader term "atheism". If all atheism is to blame for the wrongs done by, say, Mao then ALL theism is to blame for the wrongs done by, say, ISIS or the Inquisition. At that point, you may as well blame "humanity" (the broadest possible term) for everything done wrong by humans which puts us back to Original Sin. And I do not believe that for a minute. Sure atheists have done wrong. Sure, atheist ideologies have been used to justify wrongs. But that does not put the blame on atheism, it puts the blame on those people or ideologies. Atheism is simply too broad and nebulous a concept to be blamed for anything. Ditto "theism" and "agnosticism" and "panentheism" and so on. These are concepts, not organized ideologies or religions.
They are all divisive words to me - organized or not.
 
Neo ----your quote -----Didn't Paul say that we should read the Old Testament as allegorical?

No ----what Paul is referring to here is using Hagar and Sarah as the free woman and the bond woman represents the Law and Grace Hagar is the bond woman and Sarah is the free woman ------this is an allegory describing the difference of the Old and New Covenants ----unbelievers are still under the Law ----Allegories and Metaphors are used frequently throughout scripture ---------

The Old Testament Neo is the Foundation for the New -----all the Old Testament is important in understand God's Plan for the New Covenant of Grace

Galatians 4:21-31Common English Bible (CEB)
Slave versus free

21 Tell me—those of you who want to be under the Law—don’t you listen to the Law?22 It’s written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and one by the free woman.23 The son by the slave woman was conceived the normal way, but the son by the free woman was conceived through a promise.24 These things are an allegory: the women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, which gives birth to slave children; this is Hagar.25 Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and she corresponds to the present-day Jerusalem, because the city is in slavery with her children.26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.27 It’s written:
Rejoice, barren woman, you who have not given birth.
Break out with a shout, you who have not suffered labor pains;
because the woman who has been deserted will have many more children
than the woman who has a husband
.[a]
28 Brothers and sisters, you are children of the promise like Isaac.29 But just as it was then, so it is now also: the one who was conceived the normal way harassed the one who was conceived by the Spirit.30 But what does the scripture say?Throw out the slave woman and her son, because the slave woman’s son won’t share the inheritance with the free woman’s son.[b]31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we aren’t the slave woman’s children, but we are the free woman’s children.
No what, we should not read the Old Testament allegorically?

If something as plain as the story of Abraham killing his own son, as per instructions from God, then why not some (or most) of the other stories of the Bible? If the Old Testament is the foundation of the New Testament then the latter too must be full of symbols, allegories, myths and parables. They all mean something but change their meaning depending on how one sees and them.
 
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GordW -----your quote -----.I mean there are multiple authors (all of whom may well have been inspired by their experience of God). ANd so there are multiple, and not always consistent, versions of stories and events.

That is not what scripture says GordW -----better check your scripture a little closer ------the Holy Spirit was involved in the writing of all scripture --3 Scriptures all same the same thing ----they are inspired by God -----

So anyone who does not have the Holy Spirit GordW is not of God ---they belong to this world and their god is Satan ----all according to Scripture

So God ---GordW doesn't make mistakes --and God is not a God of Confusion ----so scripture was written according to what it says by God giving the words to the man writing the scripture -----it doesn't matter what men wrote what ---they were given the words to put down -----So if the men who interpreted the original scripture got it wrong and added or took away the words from the original God inspired words --I wouldn't want to be them when they pass on and come face to face with God -----there are grave warnings about adding or taking away from scripture ------

And who are we to say ---Moses didn't write this or that ---Paul didn't write this or that ----We were not there ---and who cares -----who wrote what ----it is all God's word ----and according to His word--- it is truth ------so who are we to disagree with what is written ---unless we were there we are only guessing -----you either believe what scripture says or you don't ------you can't believe one part of the Bible and say the other part is wrong ---it is either all wrong or all right -----Satan is the author of disbelief and confusion and mixing up scripture --Not God ------

So GordW ---it is all about Belief ----it has nothing to do with who wrote what -----all the words written came from God ---it is whether you believe it or not -----

2 PETER 1:21


KJ21
For the prophecy came not in olden times by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
ASV
For no prophecy ever came by the will of man: but men spake from God, being moved by the Holy Spirit.
AMP
for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.


2 Timothy 3:16-17Common English Bible (CEB)


16 Every scripture is inspired by God
and is useful for teaching, for showing mistakes, for correcting, and for training character,17 so that the person who belongs to God can be equipped to do everything that is good.


And a big warning for adding or taking away from the words of scripture
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Revelation 22:18-19English Standard Version (ESV)


18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book:(A)if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book,19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in(B)the tree of life and in(C)the holy city, which are described in this book.


Proverbs 30:5-6English Standard Version (ESV)


5 (A)Every word of God proves true;
he is(B)a shield to those who take refuge in him.
6 (C)Do not add to his words,
lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.

Deuteronomy 4:2English Standard Version (ESV)

2 (A)You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of theLordyour God that I command you.
 
@unsafe Yet again I must point out that your way of viewing Scripture is not the only way of viewing Scripture. It certainly is not mine.

And I am not even sure that the quotes you posted contradict my point... since AFAIK in no post of this thread have I added to or taken away fro the text, I have merely pointed out what the text itself says.
 
--Hi GeoFee--Perhaps you may want to read what GOD said . All that breath air would die. Fish I believe breath water, now I guess you could say they get air from it. But I don't think that's what GOD was saying.
Hi airclean... Have you any sense of humour?

Was Jesus forever cutting and pasting scripture to reveal the grace of God? Not at all. The scripture came alive in Jesus. Remember the synagogue in Nazareth when the religious folk wanted to push him off a cliff? Why? Because he put obedience to the Holy Spirit of God ahead of obedience to Ciaphas and Herod. He presented himself as the word of God.

God inspired the many authors of the Christian holy book. The God whose Spirit is like the wind is not held captive in that book. It is that spirit which animates my finger to express these thoughts related to the living word by which my being in the world is governed.

Cheers
 
No what, we should not read the Old Testament allegorically?

If something as plain as the story of Abraham killing his own son, as per instructions from God, then why not some (or most) of the other stories of the Bible? If the Old Testament is the foundation of the New Testament then the latter too must be full of symbols, allegories, myths and parables. They all mean something but change their meaning depending on how one sees and them.
 
No, I never said that. Stop twisting words. You cannot really do anything in the name of "Atheism" because there is no single entity or organization called "Atheism". "Atheism" is not the counterpart to "Christianity" and "Islam", it is the counterpart to "Theism". It is a broader heading. Secular humanists are atheists. Scientific materialists are atheists. Most (or at least many) communists are atheists. Wrongs have been done in the name of those ideologies, but the blame is on those ideologies, not on the nebulous broader term "atheism". If all atheism is to blame for the wrongs done by, say, Mao then ALL theism is to blame for the wrongs done by, say, ISIS or the Inquisition. At that point, you may as well blame "humanity" (the broadest possible term) for everything done wrong by humans which puts us back to Original Sin. And I do not believe that for a minute. Sure atheists have done wrong. Sure, atheist ideologies have been used to justify wrongs. But that does not put the blame on atheism, it puts the blame on those people or ideologies. Atheism is simply too broad and nebulous a concept to be blamed for anything. Ditto "theism" and "agnosticism" and "panentheism" and so on. These are concepts, not organized ideologies or religions.

This does fit with PoGo's Theory that we are our own worst enemies ... in a the gathered or collective sense ... of all that which smells ... a weird twist!
 
You know full well what I mean...I mean there are multiple authors (all of whom may well have been inspired by their experience of God). ANd so there are multiple, and not always consistent, versions of stories and events.

I have doubts that he knows what he believes he knows when humanity apparently knows little ... small thought as imparted to hollow'd words ...
 
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