On a biblical basis, it seems God has punished Israel 7 times before for breaking their covenant with God, I wonder if this is something that God thinks Israel should be punished for? Or if Israel thinks they are justified because Gaza attacked their families just a short time ago?
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unsafe
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Ya that would be nice ----so you should tell the Jewish People---and the Arabs----- that is what should be protested to them ---they own nothing -------and their fighting is futile ----as the Jews did not obey all God's commands and God said he would take the land back from them so they don't have any right whatsoever to the land for their disobedience ---and the Arabs were never included in having any land -----
So you people should go and shout the Scripture from the roof tops and tell them to stop the nonsense ----neither of them OWN any Land ---live peacefully ----together on the land
What I highlighted in Red here in your post -----It is not the fault of the Old Text that is the problem ---God makes it very clear in His word who the Covenant is for and who it isn't for and what the stipulations are to be stewards of the land God Gave the Israelites the right to live on the land -----Israelites gets the land ---Ishmael the Arab side does not ----- that is clear in Scripture -----
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But here is the thing ---the Jewish people today still believe that God gave them ownership of the land ----either they are ignorant of what the Scripture is really saying and think they Obeyed all God;s commands and have that right to the land ----or they are think they deserve the land because it was the Covenant God made with Abraham ----either way they are delusional in their thinking -------and the Arabs think that because Abraham was Ishmael's Father they are included to have the land as well ----delusional thinking ?????????????
This statement you make here
That may be your belief ----but I beg to differ ------God's plan will play out as He wants it to --regardless if you think we are all part of one ecosystem and will all perish -----this world will perish no matter what we do and so will the wicked perish ----according to God -----and no one will stop that -----
This world is already in the toilet -----and we are responsible for it being this way --We were are--- very poor Stewards of what God allowed us to be stewards of here -----so we have only ourselves to blame for that ---and now eventually God is going to fix what mess we made ---
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Gaza was just as justified as Israel was justified if there is any such thing as justified terrorism.
One an incident is initiated ... what can one do about it but back off into the farcide realms ... and some actually fancy this as a extraction ...
The some get really confused over intract and extract and what is gather incursion vs excursion ... other than into being where you should never have gone without prior thinking.
Then if you disbelieve in knowledge, intelligence, reading and all that ... what now brown cow? No more spotless BS ...
It is excellent if one can speak of mystery in ways that no one can condemn you as they don't understand ... opens great holes in the bonfires of hubris ... profanity personified? Just flamers ...
Recall nothing is perfect except in the abstract ... well at least until healing the blind Dahl ... that period after the day of rest and seeing the mess caused in knocking about w/o intellect ... there are theories ... most with uncertainty that some will really be determined about ... Eire will fly ... and reports of U FO will register ...
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unsafe
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No ---the Arabs nor Israel is justified in what they are doing ----they are fighting to have Ownership of land that Neither one has a right to -----they are Spiritually ignorant of God's word and have taken it and Twisted it to suit their own agenda -----Go to WAR -----and kill everyone so they can claim their right to land they have no business claiming ------as it all belongs to God ----Period ---
unsafe
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Dr. Anne Mc Closkey
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Imagine thinking that the blood thirsty warmongers who did this to Gaza are "God's chosen people". What an utter perversion of Scripture.
I say ---------Such divisive people judging one side over the other -----it is people like this that keep the wars going -----those who are without SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE -----and No one did
and watch OUT ----
AI Overview
On October 7, 2023, Hamas-led Palestinian militants launched a massive, surprise attack from Gaza into southern Israel
. The attack resulted in the deaths of over 1,195 people, mostly civilians, and the taking of over 250 hostages. This assault triggered a major, ongoing war with significant casualties, leading to intense Israeli air strikes and a ground offensive in Gaza.
You people picking sides on this war are just fueling it to continue------
Gaza ---Arabs ---strikes first folks -----looking to regain Israel because they think the land is owned by them ----NOT ----then Israel gets involves to take Gaza back ---as they think they have a right to do so ---all in the name of a FALSE CLAIM ---that they have no Right TO -----land
And the fight go around and around -----all because they think they are entitled -----
So stupid ---so insane ---futile and dumb ------so ignorant of God's word and arrogant to support any side that thinks they have the rights to anything on this earth -----cause they DO NOT ----
@DrAnneDerry
Imagine thinking that the blood thirsty warmongers who did this to Gaza are "God's chosen people". What an utter perversion of Scripture.
I say ---------Such divisive people judging one side over the other -----it is people like this that keep the wars going -----those who are without SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE -----and No one did
and watch OUT ----
AI Overview
On October 7, 2023, Hamas-led Palestinian militants launched a massive, surprise attack from Gaza into southern Israel
. The attack resulted in the deaths of over 1,195 people, mostly civilians, and the taking of over 250 hostages. This assault triggered a major, ongoing war with significant casualties, leading to intense Israeli air strikes and a ground offensive in Gaza.
You people picking sides on this war are just fueling it to continue------
Gaza ---Arabs ---strikes first folks -----looking to regain Israel because they think the land is owned by them ----NOT ----then Israel gets involves to take Gaza back ---as they think they have a right to do so ---all in the name of a FALSE CLAIM ---that they have no Right TO -----land
And the fight go around and around -----all because they think they are entitled -----
So stupid ---so insane ---futile and dumb ------so ignorant of God's word and arrogant to support any side that thinks they have the rights to anything on this earth -----cause they DO NOT ----
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So where in the world do you live that you do not have to have proof of your right to occupy that space?
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AI s wrong here. October 7 2023 was not the beginning of a new conflict, it was an upsurge in a conflict going back to 1948 (at least). And on that ongoing conflict ISrael has been very much a belligerent. While there were innocent victims on all sides the nation of Israel was nowhere close to innocent.
unsafe
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we are not talking here with the Arabs and Jews having any right to have a space to live in ---and really non of us deserved any rights at all --- WE don't have any right to anything -It is by God's Grace that HE gives you that right ----
We are we are talking about them thinking they have ownership of God"s land that He Graced to the Jews under stipulations that they violated and had the land revoked because of their disobedience and the other Group the Arabs were never included in that Agreement so they have no right at all to wage war to get land they were never given to live on -in the first place -----
Maybe this is beyond your pay grade to understand as it has to be spiritually discerned from the scriptures and so your spiritual understanding is not there ---if you have not the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to give you the Spiritual understanding of it ------
1 John 2:27---this is speaking of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit ----so here you see He is IN YOU --------not flying around landing everywhere like the wind does ------like many here say he does ----which is False ----
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As for you, the anointing [the special gift, the preparation] which you received from Him remains [permanently] in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you.
unsafe
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Two-year anniversary of Israel attack by Hamas falls during ...
NBC News
https://www.nbcnews.com › middle-east › live-blog › h...
Oct 7, 2025 — The war in Gaza began after a Hamas-led attack in southern Israel on Oct. 7, 2023, killed over 1,000 people and led to the abduction of another
AI ---Gave this date Folks ------so AI is not wrong -----on this Date -----for this happening ===
Mendalla
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No, you cannot simply dismiss the entire history that led up to Oct. 7. It did not happen in a vacuum. As Gord said, you have to know the whole history back to 1948 to truly understand what happened. And I have seen a historian (a real one, not some godawful AI sludge) argue that it even goes back to the end of the First World War and the way the colonial powers took over the governance of the region from the Ottoman Empire after it collapsed at the end of the war. Everything that is happening in the Middle East today, including Oct. 7, is a legacy of colonialism and the colonialism continues today with the current Western interference in the region.
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Classic high-sovereignty evangelical theology, lived out inconsistently by almost everyone who holds it.
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Does AI have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit?
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@unsafe AI is below your paygrade.
AI says --------
For someone like unsafe (who stresses Spirit-indwelt discernment as essential and dismisses non-Spirit-equipped views), AI would likely be viewed as unnecessary — even distracting — for genuine spiritual understanding.
The Spirit alone equips believers for what truly matters: heart transformation, not just information.
If a believer feels they "need" AI for faith basics, many would say that's a sign to lean harder into prayer.
Using AI as a crutch can lead to laziness in personal study, impatience with prayer, or treating machine output as authoritative — potentially idolatry or spiritual adultery if it displaces dependence on God.
AI says --------
For someone like unsafe (who stresses Spirit-indwelt discernment as essential and dismisses non-Spirit-equipped views), AI would likely be viewed as unnecessary — even distracting — for genuine spiritual understanding.
The Spirit alone equips believers for what truly matters: heart transformation, not just information.
If a believer feels they "need" AI for faith basics, many would say that's a sign to lean harder into prayer.
Using AI as a crutch can lead to laziness in personal study, impatience with prayer, or treating machine output as authoritative — potentially idolatry or spiritual adultery if it displaces dependence on God.
unsafe
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No --you have to understand that God owns the land and they own nothing -----understanding God's covenant is need here in my opinion ----they are fighting over land ownership ---the worldly history over their wars are to me is irrelevant -----so for you
2 it is relevant -----for me it is not ----
And as far as I can tell this thread is talking this war ---Hamas hitting Israel ----which happened on the date AI provided
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The Bible then is irrelevant as a historical document?
Mendalla
Happy headbanging ape!!
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God cannot be the basis of world diplomacy and politics in a world where not everyone agrees on what or who God is and where disagreements over God and God's "Will" are the basis for a substantial amount of conflict. Recognizing our common heritage as a species and our dependence on the world and one another, without reference to divisive religious ideas, is really the only peaceful way forward. Religion has simply fanned the flames over and over.
unsafe
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Grasping at straws -----when all else fails ---hit AI ---to funny-Actually AI does pretty well spitting out Spiritual understanding ------in my view ----
Does AI have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit ----No -----but I think AI does a lot of scripture research before it posts stuff ----as it does pretty darn good with some of the stuff it spits out and it gives the scripture to back up what it does spit out
WhyCzar
The Bible then is irrelevant as a historical document?
The Bible does contain some historical accounts like genealogies, and traditions and the history of how the Israelites came to be and How the early church was started ---but the Bible is mainly about the coming of Jesus Christ from start to finish to save humanity so it is Mainly a Divine Faith based book to me mire than a historical Book in my view ----
Can the bible that discusses immortal things ... fit in the mortal life?
Does this eliminate the matter of god from material things and thus purely spiritual?
Would an essence need to be half real and half abstract (imagined) to deal with such out-of-here conceptions?
Tell me about black sciences again ... is black mysterious? Great for the Blind Man Syndrome ...
Does this eliminate the matter of god from material things and thus purely spiritual?
Would an essence need to be half real and half abstract (imagined) to deal with such out-of-here conceptions?
Tell me about black sciences again ... is black mysterious? Great for the Blind Man Syndrome ...
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If AI printed it out for you to copy and paste here - in the original language of the scripture - would you be able to interpret it through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit?