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Was it the police that gave the press that diagnosis? If so they are hardly qualified...and really a professional psychiatrist would hardly be disclosing that information to the press.
 
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WhyCzar said:
Hopefully these families and their larger community will have better supports in place to deal with that trauma than he did.
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Hopefully everyone has better supports, all around, including publically funded ones. It seems to me like the whole world is experiencing varying levels of grief and trauma.
 
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Ah, well I suppose we will just have to wait and wait for the outcome of the trial.
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If there is one. There's always a chance his lawyer will try for a plea deal of some kind. Especially if there's a mental health assessment that finds he was influenced by his mental state that day. Plead guilty to some set of charges in return for incarceration in a mental health facility instead of prison or something like that. But a plea deal means no trial and probably limits on what gets made public. In a trial, all evidence is made public. In a plea deal, they could have the judge seal evidence.
 
Mendalla said:
If there is one. There's always a chance his lawyer will try for a plea deal of some kind. Especially if there's a mental health assessment that finds he was influenced by his mental state that day. Plead guilty to some set of charges in return for incarceration in a mental health facility instead of prison or something like that. But a plea deal means no trial and probably limits on what gets made public. In a trial, all evidence is made public. In a plea deal, they could have the judge seal evidence.
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He might have got the death penalty if PP was elected, which he wanted to come back for mass murderers.
 
If a singular person, a ONE, were to gather considerable information ... would there be a leading indication?

Thus individuals are directed to know nothing by earthy Gods ... dirty polity! More reason to know your mire stuff ... it is complexity personified ... even in the characters!
 
I read that the police are now buying barriers and extra support for public and community events from a US military contractor (which seems weird given the trade war). This is the consequence of both social decline and over policing (when the strong arm of the law acts as substitute for disappearing mental health and social support) that was bound to happen. When I said “expect to see more heavily guarded community events” this is what I meant. This more authoritarian reaction. It adds another sad layer.
 
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Kimmio Laughterlove said:
I read that the police are now buying barriers and extra support for public and community events from a US military contractor (which seems weird given the trade war). This is the consequence of both social decline and over policing (when the strong arm of the law acts as substitute for disappearing mental health and social support) that was bound to happen. When I said “expect to see more heavily guarded community events” this is what I meant. This more authoritarian reaction. It adds another sad layer.
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Social decline: imagine that in a world that desires something for nothing and then we get cancerous consumption! Always something eating at my innate parts ... endogenous? It is said to be there ... odd thing ... right?
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
US military contractor (which seems weird given the trade war).
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No Canadian supplier, maybe? That's the story in IT. We really have no Canadian alternatives for much of our purchasing and few non-US alternatives.

But, yeah, this case does not cry out for this kind of policing. If his mental health situation had been handled better in the past, we wouldn't even be having this conversation so that's where the changes need to happen.
 
Mendalla said:
No Canadian supplier, maybe? That's the story in IT. We really have no Canadian alternatives for much of our purchasing and few non-US alternatives.

But, yeah, this case does not cry out for this kind of policing. If his mental health situation had been handled better in the past, we wouldn't even be having this conversation so that's where the changes need to happen.
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Unless they're leaning towards terrorism, have they completely ruled that out?
 
What really is terror ... a dark thing in the night like abstract? That's said by some to be a complex side of the mind that we don't know about!

People hate to address psyche-like topics! This follow the old Roman adage that a thinking (mental process) man is dangerous and we believe it ...

Freedom of belief is only ONE of several that can be composed ...
 
A dialogue is already starting - which is good - around not locking people up based on what ifs because there are so many grieving and distressed people these days and only a very small percentage of mentally ill people become violent and an even tinier number would do something as horrific and violent as this man did (and he needs to be hospitalized for a long time, somewhere where he can’t do harm). We can’t just be locking people up in involuntary care randomly and indefinitely for “pre-crime” though. As horrific as this tragedy is, it shouldn’t be an excuse to do that. Because, based on what ifs that could be anybody grieving and in any kind of crisis that could impact their mental health - but there will be demographics that will be more affected. Poor people, that is. People who are already underserved. We need more and better voluntary care, support services, and health care supports - housing. We need to up the social determinates of health. We need to be kinder.

I’m glad others are discussing it because mental illness affects 1 in 5 people and just about everyone, if not themselves, has a loved one affected. Someone else I read somewhere pointed out - rightfully - now some those suffering after this attack are distressed and traumatized like the perpetrator was.
 
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What do emperorlike personalities like confined and inhibited? Always the other guise that opposes ... it is like Adam in the dark ness as it fell ... folly?
 
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