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Yet power mongers are always with us ... corruption just to keep us sharp so we will not put our foot into it ... well some of us will remain humble and just play with the word ... that's my story ... since i don't belong here ... I've been told!
 
WhyCzar said:
I agree.
I thought it was mildly interesting that someone with allegedly that high of an IQ would even post such a thing. Then I looked at his bio and could not make head nor tail of whether he was legitimately who and what he said he was. So I threw it in here to flush that out. I did not post it as a positive endorsement for the organization. Quite the opposite.
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When in question ... do just the opposite! Don't fight ... take off ...
 
WhyCzar said:
I agree.
I thought it was mildly interesting that someone with allegedly that high of an IQ would even post such a thing. Then I looked at his bio and could not make head nor tail of whether he was legitimately who and what he said he was. So I threw it in here to flush that out. I did not post it as a positive endorsement for the organization. Quite the opposite.
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But you see, that, to me, is indeed a form of trolling. You're posting a thing which, given your long history, you could easily be promoting. It’s not common or even nice to link to someone else's viewpoint, with no comment of your own, if you don't share it.

Pasting that and then walking it back after its been debunked is just shitty. You're floating propaganda for reactions. Had no one addressed it, would you just let it stand as something with which you seemed to agree? Why is it on us to do your homework on your post?
 
Mendalla said:
If it is being posted to provoke, as I suspect some of these are,
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"Turning Point USA is a ________? was meant to provoke an honest response from anyone that chose to engage.

I have not yet made up my mind as to how I would fill in the blanks around this organization.

The recent surge in interest following Charlie Kirk's assassination has led to over thousands of new chapter requests and that makes it interesting enough to me to ask some questions.

So far I have not found anything to suggest that Charlie Kirk is good enough to be worshipped or bad enough to be reviled.

As the organization of TPUSA expands I fear that the Christian fascists will be taking advantage of moderate conservatives and pushing them in not so conservative directions.

The "Christian" front of it is what is creeping me out the most so far.
 
I would have thought with such a high IQ, a person would have accomplished something for which he was known for more than just his IQ.

There are other high IQ people out there. They are known as mathematicians, physicists, etc. They don't wear their IQ on their sleeves. They don't use their IQ as the reason they should be trusted - they demonstrate and prove their findings.

I mean, I think it's obvious the high IQ guy is a fraud, but I can link to the bits I've found about him if people want. I think Rita is trolling for reactions, which is consistent with what she has always done. I think the rest of you see it as well.
 
High IQ doesn’t make people “good” people, kind people, or even necessarily credible people. It’s also a bigoted dog whistle. MAGA has a weird thing about IQ and racial stereotypes.
 
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chansen said:
But you see, that, to me, is indeed a form of trolling. You're posting a thing which, given your long history, you could easily be promoting. It’s not common or even nice to link to someone else's viewpoint, with no comment of your own, if you don't share it.

Pasting that and then walking it back after its been debunked is just shitty. You're floating propaganda for reactions. Had no one addressed it, would you just let it stand as something with which you seemed to agree? Why is it on us to do your homework on your post?
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This. It seemed to me she supported the stuff she was posting. Either way, trolling for a reaction without offering her own views.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
High IQ doesn’t make people “good” people, or even necessarily credible. It’s also a bigoted dog whistle.
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It means you are very good at pattern recognition and problem solving. That's pretty well it. Gives you no credibility beyond your pattern recognition skills. Really, no EQ, limited understanding of linguistic skills beyond the number of words in your vocabulary.
 
BetteTheRed said:
It means you are very good at pattern recognition and problem solving. That's pretty well it. Gives you no credibility beyond your pattern recognition skills. Really, no EQ, limited understanding of linguistic skills beyond the number of words in your vocabulary.
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And if you introduce calmly a strange word worthy of inquiry ... we can't have that says a portion ... no diversity! Yet it doth creep in as nonsense and vernacular ... mad mobs, etc. about the Black Tango ... drumming patterns ... but moderated in a song given by WHO! Self generated ... all in the saac ... Haggai? That social containment ... nothing stranger ...
 
Speaking of pattern recognition, whenever there's a tier-one crisis, the proposed solution from the top is always censor, surveil, control. Makes no difference if you are left or right.
 
WhyCzar said:
Speaking of pattern recognition, whenever there's a tier-one crisis, the proposed solution from the top is always censor, surveil, control. Makes no difference if you are left or right.
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Always sways according to your roots and where your tree is falling ...
 
WhyCzar said:
Speaking of pattern recognition, whenever there's a tier-one crisis, the proposed solution from the top is always censor, surveil, control. Makes no difference if you are left or right.
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I’m not censoring you (and needless to say I’m far from the top). I’m disagreeing with you about some things important to me that we may never agree on, and partially censoring myself from you because I feel like you play dirty quite often - it makes me not trust you - and I don’t have time for it. It’s unfortunate but that’s how I feel about, if not you personally (I don’t hate you), your tactics in discussion.
 
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Sometimes to restore some sense of peace and order before everybody destroys each other, someone needs to step in and do it. They need to break up the fight and keep people separated until the dust settles. In conflict resolution (anger management?), it’s recommended that two parties in an argument should give at least 90 minutes to cool off before trying to have a conversation. In broader terms maybe 90 minutes isn’t enough time. Doesn’t mean anybody hates anybody personally but patience needs to be restored.

I’m anti-authoritarian, too (I believe we need some framework, and fair laws though). I just think blurting out how you feel about something when tensions are high and the other side (with the most power) is not sincerely listening they’re vengeful, is not a wise idea for the person doing the expressing. Sometimes we have to censor ourselves - and sometimes we have to challenge censorship. Tough call.
 
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Kimmio Laughterlove said:
I’m not censoring you (and needless to say I’m far from the top). I’m disagreeing with you about some things important to me that we may never agree on, and partially censoring myself from you because I feel like you play dirty quite often - it makes me not trust you - and I don’t have time for it. It’s unfortunate but that’s how I feel about, if not you personally (I don’t hate you), your tactics in discussion.
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Perhaps you could stop making everything personal.
I was not talking about WC2 I was talking about Governmental controls.
 
Always tread cautiously across the swamp ... you really cannot drain it so there will always be something laying in wait ... best to live in a shack on posts ... that gators cannot climb ... and do something to discourage bugs and snakes except the good snakes ... they may eat the bugs and poisonous frogs! Life is a men*ag*erie ... with a different spell elsewhere ...
 
Then I think of a reporter being censored for critical analysis, by a man that doesn't know what the difference between critical analysis and hate literature is ... good for one but not the proposed weaker power ... thus the support system bottoms out ... no governors at the top ...
 
It is being reported that Kirk was turning away from the Zionist billionaires who’d helped fund TPUSA and they had started threatening him for questioning the America/Israel collaboration.

Kirk was also questioning Israel/Gaza and America’s blind attachment.

At this point I am not taking anything off the table.

I am not trying to convince anyone of anything.

The investigation either interests you or it does not.

If it does then this is a good interview with an informed perspective IMO.

I respect both of these journalists so I gave it a listen.

 
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