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Kimmio Laughterlove said:
Did you read about my experience visiting Edmonton with my ex, above? Neither of us were impressed but they were our hosts, so we just kept our mouths shut. I talk to him still and he still brings up how "redneck" that experience was - he can laugh, because it's my family (his have their own prejudices that are far removed from North American politics)...but that doesn't exactly make me feel proud.
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Yes, I read that. That's the small sample size to which I referred.
 
Northwind said:
Yes, I read that. That's the small sample size to which I referred.
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Like I said... I've been there dozens of times. Stayed for entire summers as a kid. Weeks long visits in my 20's. It's a very conservative place. You have noted the difference yourself. And what I don't like is that there's this unspoken sense that it's ok to say such things - like racist things - around "your own kind", just not in public, and it shouldn't bother me because I'm not who they are talking about. Well, that is better restraint than nothing but it bothers me anyway. And so...for all intents and purposes - except for remarks one of my cousin's friends made about my disability - if I'm talking to a conservative and "passing" as white middle class as far as they know, we'd get along fine. I'm aware though, that if that isn't the case - if I looked poor and non white - my experience of conservatives might very well be less friendly.
 
Okay @Kimmio Laughterlove I bow to your obviously superior knowledge. I can assure you that most of the conservative people I know are not racists. They are also not the hateful people that you portray them to be.

Have a nice day
 
Northwind said:
Okay @Kimmio Laughterlove I bow to your obviously superior knowledge. I can assure you that most of the conservative people I know are not racists. They are also not the hateful people that you portray them to be.

Have a nice day
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Tell me what in your own words is healthy about conservatism.

And maybe not all conservatives are racists. Of course not. But you're not likely to find the same attitudes as above on the left. White supremacy is definitely something that seeps in on the right. That alone is enough to make me dismiss the whole of conservatism. Because the backwardness always creeps in from the right - it's the right that wants to s**t on social progress and try to take us back to the 1950's. It's not the left doing that.
 
83% of Republicans are white. That would be institutional racism by definition wouldn't it @Northwind. More minorities could vote Republican, but they don't. Why? Do you maybe think it's because it's so dominated by people who don't understand or seem to care about them? That's what I think it is. Why would minorities - and that's who I stand with - want to vote conservative when it's obvious that when white supremacy pops up, it pops up on the right? We're seeing it now and the supposedly reasonable right is not condemning it in the strongest terms. Not even in Canada. Why is that respectable?
 
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Kimmio Laughterlove said:
You missed that I said this:

For example...driving in Edmonton with my relatives...my ex was a refugee, and a citizen, with a European accent and they never even learned how to pronounce his last name - they just laughed at their laziness...we're having a good time until somebody makes disparaging remarks about the Somali neighbourhood we passed through...then more disparaging remarks about the mosque trying to "copy" the signs on the churches - even though they are verses from the Quran about Jesus. But they are friendly...if you're not too "different". They are friendly to their neighbours who are like them, for sure. They're a bit wary of diversity, at best, disinterested in it...and at the end of the day that just pisses me off.
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That isn’t conservative voters. Those are racist people. Diss them. Educate them. Dump them

But they are not typical of Canadian conservative voters



However. As Justin leads the liberals ever farther into NDP territory he risks losing the mushy middle. Chrétien understood the mushy middle. Most Canadians seem to fit here

And we know an election is coming. Today Justin pledged millions to Toronto for transit and more to combat drugs and gangs. Just in case TORONTO was getting tired of the flip flopping liberals.

God I hate politicians

Trump is a mentally ill doofus. Let’s hope he loses. But we still wander the roads of liberal over promises with funky socks and big smiles

Could someone please tell our pm how to speak properly and that weird socks are very yesterday
 
Lastpointe said:
That isn’t conservative voters. Those are racist people. Diss them. Educate them. Dump them

But they are not typical of Canadian conservative voters



However. As Justin leads the liberals ever farther into NDP territory he risks losing the mushy middle. Chrétien understood the mushy middle. Most Canadians seem to fit here

And we know an election is coming. Today Justin pledged millions to Toronto for transit and more to combat drugs and gangs. Just in case TORONTO was getting tired of the flip flopping liberals.

God I hate politicians

Trump is a mentally ill doofus. Let’s hope he loses. But we still wander the roads of liberal over promises with funky socks and big smiles

Could someone please tell our pm how to speak properly and that weird socks are very yesterday
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Why are you a conservative, lastpointe
? Sincere question.
 
Its clear that abject racism has seeped into the right - whether it was always lurking? Seems like it...white supremacists are always coming from the right wing - and no matter who you think conservatives “were” that made them ok, they have, as a party, become something different now, and there is no justification for voting for a politician who entertains racists and white supremacists...not economic or otherwise. I don’t think I can respect any rationale for it today. To vote conservative based on whatever values one may have thought they used to have, is to support racism whether one is individually racist or not. And to support a racist leader, is a racist action.
 
Northwind said:
Okay @Kimmio Laughterlove I bow to your obviously superior knowledge. I can assure you that most of the conservative people I know are not racists. They are also not the hateful people that you portray them to be.

Have a nice day
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I think I just summed it up in another post. Whoever or whatever people thought conservatism ‘was’, that is not what’s happening now. To consciously support a leader who entertains white supremacy (and we’ve seen it here and down south) even a little bit, is a blatantly racist action. To support policies - whether they are meant to harm minorities the most, or by default, always do harm minorities the most, is racist. Maybe not consciously, but it still amounts to racism.
 
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“Right wing governments are failing everywhere, including America, all living under this enormous debt bubble that is about to burst, leading to the collapse of the financial system and the collapse of civilization itself.” Apologies to the author for failing to remember that person’s name or the name of the publication.

Democracy is empty where persons have been distracted from the responsibility of freedom (citizen) by the seductions of materialism (consumer). Matters of consequence require personal responsibility and are negatively shaped where personal responsibility is delegated to others. For me, this presents Socrates and Jesus in a nut shell.
 
Another point of view:

“The US president’s rantings ultimately reflect the desire of American capitalism to secure its flagging dominance through threats, and, when required, by the use of military force.

Trump, in his brutal and thuggish worship of power, threats and violence, represents the essential characteristics of the American ruling elite: its endless greed, its brutality and its belief that “force works.”” Keith Petreman - Canadian Leadership Review

Tragic to witness the word of God employed to bless the spirit of exploitation and oppression by which the earth and its peoples are brought to the brink of destruction. With Jesus I pray for their forgiveness, seeing clearly that they have mistaken darkness ((war) for light (peace). America is set to reap what it has sown. As an ancient poet said: “You have sown the wind and will reap the whirlwind.”
 
GeoFee said:
“Right wing governments are failing everywhere, including America, all living under this enormous debt bubble that is about to burst, leading to the collapse of the financial system and the collapse of civilization itself.” Apologies to the author for failing to remember that person’s name or the name of the publication.

Democracy is empty where persons have been distracted from the responsibility of freedom (citizen) by the seductions of materialism (consumer). Matters of consequence require personal responsibility and are negatively shaped where personal responsibility is delegated to others. For me, this presents Socrates and Jesus in a nut shell.
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Didn’t Jesus delegate personal responsibility to others, though? Social responsibility (Judas blew it with material responsibility). He trained disciples to follow him in word and deed, and to share decision making...he delegated responsibility while in the flesh...and he was his brothers’ and sisters’ keeper (he washed others’ feet) ...and biggest of all he didn’t personally run away from his impending execution...he put his fate in others hands, whether it was God’s or those who decided he should be executed. A totally innocent person executed. If we don’t stand up to injustice - joining with the oppressed in peaceful protest and positive action - didn’t Jesus die in vain?
 
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GeoFee said:
Hi,
This is about ideas expressed as ideology. This is about lived experience with other persons.



George
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But how is voting for racists not racist, even if the person voting never utters a racist word?

It’s lived experience and ideology in both Northwind’s and my cases. Too quick to dismiss my negative experience with family members as some kind of anomaly, when it clearly isn’t. It’s lived experience.
 
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