TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?
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You cited it for me as a credible source. Are you saying otherwise now?
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KKK, Antifa, and BLM all wanted a war. That's how they get crazy recruits.
I think that's what he's going for. Like Amy Shumer.
What month did this conversation take place?
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Pontifex Geronimo 13
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Guessing a year old?
He's not a comedian, though.
Not quite - I think the KKK wanted a war (first, as a reaction to Obama being elected) - and factions - parts of - Antifa and BLM have been and are now increasingly fighting back with violent tactics. They are not doing the fight against white supremacy any favours with violent tactics. They only embolden the bigots and make them feel justified that they are somehow innocent victims.
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I'm going with comedian, or satirist, if that can be a description.
KKK, Antifa and BLM are all on the same team. Anarchy left or right makes no difference. They just want to incite a civil war. And that's why they held it in a liberal state. Blame Trump. That's why the mayor had the cops let it happen. Bad press for a Trump. KKK does not think of themselves as innocent.
They probably invited Antifa.
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No. I disagree.
KKK thinks themselves innocent in the sense that they don't want anyone to interfere with their first amendment right to "peacefully assemble" (with torches, nazi symbols, spouting racist bile) in front of a confederate general's monument that represents what they represent (which is why it was to be taken down - and they are acting like "victims" over that). So, they think Antifa are fascists for interfering with their right to spew hate - even if they interfere peacefully. Antifa think the Trump administration are fascists for their tacit support of the KKK and the KKK's support of Trump - the man who was a rep of the Birther movement to discredit Obama's legitimacy - all of that racist white nationalist BS and the republicans with any integrity should've stopped it. And they also think Trump is a fascist for undoing everything Obama ever did - and for having a rudimentary 1950s understanding and concern for civil rights. And they see Trump supporting the KKK.
BLM do not all support violent tactics. There are some that do and I think BLM should disavow those people. I don't know enough about Antifa to say if they only support it as a last resort or as a main tactic. I just know it's wrong and not helping the "left side" nor is it helping preserve the right to peacefully protest.
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brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.
12 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
If you knew you had max 7.? years before the end of the world, would you do things differently?
4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.
12 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
If you knew you had max 7.? years before the end of the world, would you do things differently?
GeoFee
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Hi,
Here are some lines from a song written by a draft dodger in the days of Vietnam: "You put a bible in my hand. You taught me not to kill. Still you cannot understand why I refuse to go to war." Bob Frank
Albert Einstein noted populations ready to make personal sacrifice in time of war. He wondered why such sacrifice was not forthcoming in response to the need for making peace.
The powers and principalities have set in motion a totalitarian trajectory. The majority seems diverted and distracted by panderers promoting hedonistic desire and possessive individualism.
The spirit of change is blowing within and through it all. The critical consciousness of persons is being quickened throughout the earth. Light is beginning to break into the darkness. One true word at a time. One kind deed at a time.
You in your small corner and I in mine.
George
Here are some lines from a song written by a draft dodger in the days of Vietnam: "You put a bible in my hand. You taught me not to kill. Still you cannot understand why I refuse to go to war." Bob Frank
Albert Einstein noted populations ready to make personal sacrifice in time of war. He wondered why such sacrifice was not forthcoming in response to the need for making peace.
The powers and principalities have set in motion a totalitarian trajectory. The majority seems diverted and distracted by panderers promoting hedonistic desire and possessive individualism.
The spirit of change is blowing within and through it all. The critical consciousness of persons is being quickened throughout the earth. Light is beginning to break into the darkness. One true word at a time. One kind deed at a time.
You in your small corner and I in mine.
George
Graeme Decarie
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The use of the word altleft bothers me. History is full of words we use without the slightest idea of what they mean. We don't need more of them
I have never met anybody who could give me a definition of Nazi or Fascist. But by using those words, we give them a uniqueness they don't have.
Hitler's Naziism has been common for centuries. And it still is all over the world. It was exactly like British Imperialism, French, Spanish, Portuguese, the US - and Canada. What was the extermination of the native peoples of the Americas if not a holocaust?What is
And, in fact, a major cause of the American revolution was the desire of American land speculators - like George Washington - to exterminate native peoples. Fascism is credited to Mussolini. But the reality is that it was very much like the dictatorial capitalism
that the west, including the U.S., forced on its colonies.I
In fact, western capitalists were great supporters of Naziis and Fascists. They were a line of defence against the Soviet Union.
All those dictatorships the U.S. has set up in Latin America are run on the same lines as the fascist states of world War 2.
I have never met anybody who could give me a definition of Nazi or Fascist. But by using those words, we give them a uniqueness they don't have.
Hitler's Naziism has been common for centuries. And it still is all over the world. It was exactly like British Imperialism, French, Spanish, Portuguese, the US - and Canada. What was the extermination of the native peoples of the Americas if not a holocaust?What is
And, in fact, a major cause of the American revolution was the desire of American land speculators - like George Washington - to exterminate native peoples. Fascism is credited to Mussolini. But the reality is that it was very much like the dictatorial capitalism
that the west, including the U.S., forced on its colonies.I
In fact, western capitalists were great supporters of Naziis and Fascists. They were a line of defence against the Soviet Union.
All those dictatorships the U.S. has set up in Latin America are run on the same lines as the fascist states of world War 2.
I think it refers to loosely related factions of the far/ extreme left that are using violence as a tactic against oppression.
Antifa is being considered "alt-left" and it has roots that go back decades fighting nazis and neo-nazis at street level - but they use violence as one of their tools and I disagree with that.
Both the alt-right and alt left are anarchist/ anti-government structure and also pro-vigilantism it seems to me. So I disagree with both extremes.
Antifa is being considered "alt-left" and it has roots that go back decades fighting nazis and neo-nazis at street level - but they use violence as one of their tools and I disagree with that.
Both the alt-right and alt left are anarchist/ anti-government structure and also pro-vigilantism it seems to me. So I disagree with both extremes.
BetteTheRed
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What I don't understand is, if the alt right is "pro-using violence to achieving one's aims" they would deny that ammunition to their enemy. The NRA, surely, believes that the right to bear arms applies to ALL political positions, right?
BetteTheRed
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Given the rather horrifying rate of "accidental deaths by firearm" in the U.S., it appears obvious that their ability to bear arms "responsibly" is equally deficient no matter what their political affiliation.
Northwind
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I am struggling with the idea of using the label "alt-left" especially with respect to the incident the other night. It seems to me that people are condemning them more than the people who carried Nazi flags and are white supremacist militia. So the "alt-left" uses some violence and they are apparently the bad guys. For the record, I believe that it is better to use nonviolent ways to respond. The white supremacists were allegedly better armed and likely better organized by the police. According to the man interviewed in the clip I posted earlier, the police were intimidated by the white supremacists and so did not respond. That intimidation to me is extreme violence even though no "swords" were drawn.
I am not saying they're "worse" - the roots of racists violence from white supremacist spans way back and continues to oppress - showing up with torches and nazi flags and chanting racist slogans, is imo, not peaceful, it's threatening - I'm just saying that there was another "side" contributing to the violent atmosphere and we shouldn't pretend they don't exist. You could call them extreme/ radical/ far left groups, loosely affiliated, that employ violence as a tactic and that's no different than "alt-left". Alt-left is a made up label as is alt-right.
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