I would be happy with Trump - if he quit and went back to TV and real estate. It would be the best thing he could do - he'd be a hero. Then Obama could call a do-over.
TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?
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Graeme Decarie
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Oh, that was just a small step. They've been supplying ISIS from the start. It's an arrangement that goes back to 1980 or so
when the U.S. financed and trained and armed al quaeda to fight the Russians who were invading Afghanistan. The news media commonly refer to the people fighting Assad in Syria as 'rebels' and/or 'moderates'. And that's just propaganda.
There's nothing moderate about them. There are committed 'terrorists'. And they aren't rebels because they can't be - most of them are not Syrians.
when the U.S. financed and trained and armed al quaeda to fight the Russians who were invading Afghanistan. The news media commonly refer to the people fighting Assad in Syria as 'rebels' and/or 'moderates'. And that's just propaganda.
There's nothing moderate about them. There are committed 'terrorists'. And they aren't rebels because they can't be - most of them are not Syrians.
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Graeme Decarie
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kimmio - it won't matter. The U.S. is way, way down its dangerous path. Both parties have followed that path. And the American people are so bombarded with propaganda and lies that most of them don't have a clue what's going on.
This is a good article about what Obama didn't do.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/obama-biggest-failure-anger-214618
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/obama-biggest-failure-anger-214618
I don't understand. 17? Intelligence agencies concur that Russia meddled with orders from the top, and Russia was grooming Trump (unbenounced to him maybe) for 5 years. It would take some time to gather all this... Would Obama not have known this as soon as Trump threw his hat into the ring? What's the situation? Was Obama just doing nothing about it, or did these 17 agencies just not tell him, or what? How did this happen? It doesn't make sense. The whole thing is nuts.
I'm feeling like there's no point even trying to make sense of it.
I guess I assumed that U.S. had enough checks and balances in place - they're too determined, too headstrong, too much history of social progress - that they'd keep somebody like DT from getting into the highest office and turning the place into a Banana Republic - that when it comes down to brass tacks they know the difference between a political leader and an unstable entertainer. It was too weird to be real and too dangerous to be allowed to happen - we (who didn't think it could happen) mistakenly thought.
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Welcome to my feelings about Christianity.
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You shouldn't believe everything you hear. Remember when all those agencies unanimously agreed Sadam had weapons of mass destruction so they could start a legitimate war.
No warning bells yet?
Change the channel. You sound outrageous.
I don't have cable, but okay. If those same agencies came out with more dirt on Clinton or some "liberals" you don't like, that appear to "prove" some outrageous bulls**t coming from the right, you'd readily believe it. You already have - and right now Clinton's private email server looks like such small potatoes that was made into an enormous big deal.
chansen
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Yep, the manufacturered reasons for going to war resulted in catastrophe.
However, now Republicans who chose selective intelligence that supported the WMD hypothesis are now using that failure of their own to justify ignoring all evidence from more intelligence sources. Because they don't like that intelligence and it's embarrassing to them.
Well hell, let's just not have any intelligence then. Let's literally go with the "Party of Stupid" approach.
A foreign power and once enemy who has been aggressive and even annexed part of another country recently, actively hacked into both American political parties. For the purposes of getting the result they wanted, they released potentially embarrassing emails from one party only - the party they wanted to lose. And when they got the result they wanted, they celebrated. And Trump and some of his cabinet choices have business interests in Russia. This whole thing smells ridiculously bad.
Imagine if Reagan were alive today. The guy the Republicans hold up as the best modern president. He would be losing it.
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Interesting that you can smell your BS receptors overheating after you write something like that.
there's hope for you yet. What you are being told to believe is that Russia installed an orange haired buffoon to the top position of the free world.
Only God could do that.
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See? Your BS receptors are smoking again because they know there is no such thing as the free world.
Graeme Decarie
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Russia annexed part of a neighbouring country. Do a little checking Chansen.
I presume you're referring to Ukraine.
1. The U.S. engineered the overthrow of the elected government of Ukraine.
2. That cut off the only major naval base of Russia - rather like Pearl Harbor.
3. The population of the region around the base is Russian, and did not want to be part of a Ukraine governed by American puppets.
4. The people in the American-created government of Ukraine have also been impoverished by that government - which also happens to have heavy, Nazi influence. (After World War One, Ukraine drifted massively to the far right and Naziism.)
5. The deposed president of Ukraine, the one who actually was elected, is now seeking to have a government-in-exile.
6. The U.S. routinely interferes in elections, and stages overthrows in governments, Think - Haiti, Guatemala, Libya, Iraq, Iran (1948). It routinely installs dictators. That's what it has been trying to do in Syria. computer hacking is pretty mild stuff compared to the interference of murdering by the million.
Nor are brains required to be a president. George Bush Jr., in fact, never ran the country. That was done by his veep.
I presume you're referring to Ukraine.
1. The U.S. engineered the overthrow of the elected government of Ukraine.
2. That cut off the only major naval base of Russia - rather like Pearl Harbor.
3. The population of the region around the base is Russian, and did not want to be part of a Ukraine governed by American puppets.
4. The people in the American-created government of Ukraine have also been impoverished by that government - which also happens to have heavy, Nazi influence. (After World War One, Ukraine drifted massively to the far right and Naziism.)
5. The deposed president of Ukraine, the one who actually was elected, is now seeking to have a government-in-exile.
6. The U.S. routinely interferes in elections, and stages overthrows in governments, Think - Haiti, Guatemala, Libya, Iraq, Iran (1948). It routinely installs dictators. That's what it has been trying to do in Syria. computer hacking is pretty mild stuff compared to the interference of murdering by the million.
Nor are brains required to be a president. George Bush Jr., in fact, never ran the country. That was done by his veep.
One must accept that to the oligarchy ... demos is evil and deviate in thinking we should do different ... a cause to wish to depart the presence tate 've mind ... but you can't say that in an oligarchy as the lessor people are to remain silent ... tis a subtle roué ...
Did you ever listen to yourself? You'd have to make a step beyond ID ... sometime spelt as IHC ... an ichy state ... some say a Niche in which some are stoic ... stuck?
However the buffoon - who by the way is not stupid, he does know how to work things in his favour - got there (and I do believe it was due to human involvement whether God willed it or not - would your God will a web of lies and deceit and nasty racism and sexism? I have a few "but why?" Questions for God if that's the case) doesn't mean He wants people to revere the Orange Haired Buffoon and fall into lock step with him, does it?
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