TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

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I've been skimming through Hannah Arendt's "The Origens of Totalitarianism". She notices that a rising tyranny is well served by a divided populace. Then there is the usefulness of organized violence and the consequent need for security measures.

George
 
There's lots of mud to sling. And it gets people off the real issues.
The Issue in the US is the huge and growing gap between the right a the poor. And that gap is growing. It's the attack of the greedy on what is already a third rate health care system. It's the dreadful decline of public schools, and the government funding of private ones.
I see no sign that Trump has any intention of dealing with these. no intention dealing with the homeless, the poor....
American big business is raping the U.S. as well as the rest of the world. I see no sign of any cabinet appointees who even care about any of that.
Nor have a I seen any sign of a real change of direction by the U.S. Not by Clinton, and not my Trump.
As I have said many times before, the issue is neither Trump nor Clinton. The issue is the collapse of government for the people and of government by the people.. There's just government of the people
It's been like that for a long, long time. Now it's out in the open.
 
And maybe that's not a bad thing. Maybe in four years, they'll better understand what real change they need.

What worries me down there is the 'epidemic' of cancer, and the people falling through the cracks. There are people using GoFundMe pages to try to pay healthcare bills.
 
chansen said:
Give the man credit. With the criticisms of his administration choices growing, what does he do? He invites Kanye West over for a chat. Calls him a "good man".

Now the news is talking about Trump meeting Kanye West. Because that's what people want to hear about.

People are so stupid, it hurts.
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Bill Gates said he 'could' be the next JFK. Elon Musk has also joined his techie advisory board ... What the hell is going on? Musk was quite critical of him just before the election.

I'm thinking it could be a valiant attempt at "damage control" to put their feelings aside - and they have a big stake in getting along with him (maybe vice versa too), to be honest. If he's in, and that's the new situation they have to accept, what else are they going to do? If it's decentralized non-partisan advice he's getting it might not be all bad.
 
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I read way back 6 months ago - I think it may have been his biographer who said that the most influential person in Trump's life is the last person he talks to. If that's true then I hope he is flooded with good people who have good ideas, talking to him everyday. Maybe that's possible. Maybe he won't make the usual cronies a higher priority than others who talk to him. It reminds me of a celebrity intervention. I really don't know much about Kanye's ideas, though. I know he had a fashion line that looked like poorly fitted surgical stockings and girdles. I know none of his music.
 
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So far, Trump has proposed major damage to the poor and the middle class, the ones who voted for him as their saviour. Will they wake up and turn against both of those clowns of evil and greed? I don't think they will. I'm close to chansen's view (above).
 
People are stupefied by unleashed emotions?

Isn't that they way authority likes it? Isn't it better if the host is a bit frothy ... brewing, like y'east ... rising dissonantly?

I'll probe into this myth ... just to see how far the adepts go ... no bottom tuit?

Leads to intuit ... in being "not" as appears ... thus allowing allusions to hopes and dreams of more beyond this stage ... then authorities put on they despise theatrics.

Is that odd, dark, or just GOD is dark side as humis? You'd never know without probing intuit ... that's your own self ... some say your abstract mind ... the out of here portion ... a bit flighty as it didn't like the dawn to earth lack of thought ... dark Zoar NG things ... con doors! Open to the other's IDe?

They swallow everything and digest it into what ... the Tao 've Po' ... most authority hates piled words ... as it they were stacked against them ...

Then there is the irreverent interpretation bit ... the small dark point ...
 
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I would wager that many people like Elon Musk are cosying up to him partly to give him some some sound scientific advice. Many people he is promoting to high positions are anti-science. He'll listen because they are tech celebrities. Even Romney swallowed his pride and discussed the Secretary of State job, I'd say partly to help look out for the country. But Romney wouldn't publicly apologize to Trump, so he was humiliated and cast aside.

With the cast Trump is surrounding himself with, it's a scary time.
 
The cast was pretty scary before. Bush killed at least a million and a half people in Iraq alone. It was an illegal war. I know they were only muslims. But they were people. Similarly, Obama has done more than his share of illegal killing. Both Bush and Obama came dangerously close to nuclear war. Both created some 30 million stateless people - and that it going to create much bigger problems than it has before.
So why did the US fight wars, and very brutal ones, against people who were no threat to it? Why are these wars being fought at all?
It's not because of personality traits of various presidents. it's because of the greed of the multibillionaires who own all the governments.
 
It is like a political comedy watching Trump fill out his team.

His Attorney General - now in charge of civil rights laws among other things - couldn't be confirmed as a judge because of racist views.
His Secretary of the Interior supports oil and gas drilling in national parks.
His director of the Environmental Protection Agency believes climate change is a hoax.
His Secretary of Labour opposed raising the minimum wage but supports greater automation in the workforce.
His Secretary of Education isn't supportive of public education.
His Secretary of Health opposes any move toward more accessible health care and opposes a woman's right to choose abortion.
His Secretary of Energy thinks the Department of Energy should be abolished.
His Secretary of the Treasury is a former director of Goldman Sachs, a company Trump denounced during the campaign.
His Secretary of State has no diplomatic experience, but has business ties around the world and was awarded a "Friend of Russia" honour by Putin.
His Secretary of Housing and Urban Development said that he shouldn't be in the Cabinet because he didn't have enough experience.
His Secretary of Commerce was the head of the International Coal Group - a coal mining conglomerate whose workers have no unions, no health care and no pensions.
His UN ambassador has no diplomatic experience and no experience in foreign policy at all.
His National Security Advisor is into conspiracy theories.
He's giving access to the White House as a "Counsellor" to a guy who's tight with the alt-right (ie, racist and neo-fascist) movement.

His sons are helping interview prospective members of the Cabinet.

His daughter Ivanka is going to be given a White House office and will essentially be the First Lady while his wife stays in New York. Ivanka, Donald says, is a good choice for the role because "she understands the women's issue." (What "issue" that is, I'm not sure, but I did hear the quote.)

Seriously - it's a script for a political comedy. Except it's real. (In fairness, most people seem to think Mattis is a good choice for Defence Secretary, and that Chao is OK as Transportation Secretary.)

My guess, once January 20 comes and goes, is that Trump probably won't be involved much in day to day decision making. He'll step back, do the high profile stuff because he likes being in the spotlight, but he'll let Mike Pence function as a sort of prime minister rather than just vice president, running the nuts and bolts of the government.

(And, for the record, I'm not saying Clinton would have been a great president either. I wouldn't have voted for either one of them. But this thread's about Trump.)
 
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It is like a political comedy watching Trump fill out his team.

His Attorney General - now in charge of civil rights laws among other things - couldn't be confirmed as a judge because of racist views.
His Secretary of the Interior supports oil and gas drilling in national parks.
His director of the Environmental Protection Agency believes climate change is a hoax.
His Secretary of Labour opposed raising the minimum wage but supports greater automation in the workforce.
His Secretary of Education isn't supportive of public education.
His Secretary of Health opposes any move toward more accessible health care and opposes a woman's right to choose abortion.
His Secretary of Energy thinks the Department of Energy should be abolished.
His Secretary of the Treasury is a former director of Goldman Sachs, a company Trump denounced during the campaign.
His Secretary of State has no diplomatic experience, but has business ties around the world and was awarded a "Friend of Russia" honour by Putin.
His Secretary of Housing and Urban Development said that he shouldn't be in the Cabinet because he didn't have enough experience.
His Secretary of Commerce was the head of the International Coal Group - a coal mining conglomerate whose workers have no unions, no health care and no pensions.
His UN ambassador has no diplomatic experience and no experience in foreign policy at all.
His National Security Advisor is into conspiracy theories.
He's giving access to the White House as a "Counsellor" to a guy who's tight with the alt-right (ie, racist and neo-fascist) movement.

His sons are helping interview prospective members of the Cabinet.

His daughter Ivanka is going to be given a White House office and will essentially be the First Lady while his wife stays in New York. Ivanka, Donald says, is a good choice for the role because "she understands the women's issue." (What "issue" that is, I'm not sure, but I did hear the quote.)

Seriously - it's a script for a political comedy. Except it's real. (In fairness, most people seem to think Mattis is a good choice for Defence Secretary, and that Chao is OK as Transportation Secretary.)

My guess, once January 20 comes and goes, is that Trump probably won't be involved much in day to day decision making. He'll step back, do the high profile stuff because he likes being in the spotlight, but he'll let Mike Pence function as a sort of prime minister rather than just vice president, running the nuts and bolts of the government.

(And, for the record, I'm not saying Clinton would have been a great president either. I wouldn't have voted for either one of them. But this thread's about Trump.)
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Maybe it's a brilliant master plan to expose the underbelly of how the American system really works and by putting them in high offices they are under pressure from the American public to reform their ways? Yeah, yeah, ,,,,,,,that's the ticket......Trump is brilliant and we just don't know it yet.
 
There was also a report just 2 or 3 days ago that the Trump transition team had asked federal agencies for a list of employees who had attended climate change workshops. The civil service unions are concerned that it's going to be used to target those workers, and the Obama administration has refused to provide it.
 
Excellent overview by revsdd. I wonder how long it will take Trump supporters to catch on. I wonder if they will catch on. I wonder if this is the one that will make the whole nation boil over.
 
He's not stupid. He knows what he's doing. As do those advising him. It may look like comedy because it's so opposite many of our sensibilities - and one can't help but laugh at times- but it is real. And Graeme, this is why "personality" matters.

You want the nation to boil over don't you? You enjoy it. Like watching a frog in a pot. Clinton would not have done it. There would've been a chance to turn the temperature down.
 
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