TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

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Jae said:
Hadn't even heard that at 6:30am today. Someone (?) just tweeted that some computer security geeks were suggesting it.
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And they don't have any direct evidence, just some statistics showing Clinton fared poorer in electronic ballots than optically scanned paper ones. No smoking gun = unlikely to make the case to my eye but in this politically charged situation, who knows?

Personally, I wish they could set up a single, national electoral system like we have. Would cut down on this crap since most of the problems relate to the state control of elections and the variations in election laws and processes across the country that creates. It makes monitoring of US elections, as various groups have done in other countries, difficult to impossible, too.
 
A former Republican congressman who's a regular on the Arlene Bynon Show on satellite radio said that he finds it completely believable that a hacker - foreign or domestic - could have manipulated the electronic counts in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. They were all pretty close and if they had gone to Clinton she'd have won. He also noted that Clinton was about two million votes ahead in the popular vote now. His basic point was that even the suspicion of funny goings on with the vote count further delegitimizes Trump.
 
A recount can't change the fundamental problems. A very large number of americans are extremely unhappy with the present operation of the country. If Trump loses a recount, it doesn't change that deep anger. Clinton is partly (and deservedly) a victim of that anger. Her vote was due largely to the huge number that disliked Trump rather than liked her.
So, no matter how the recount goes, we are left with the original problem - a government system that is profoundly corrupt and profoundly disliked. And a society that is divided, and with no sense of direction, no reasonable sense of what changes are needed.
In either case, we are left with a broken society - and with a strong probability of violence.
 
I might add that Americans haven't even begun to grasp a sense of the problems they face in employment conditions, exploitation and rising poverty in the very near future. (Nor have Canadians.)
 
Everyone is looking for a third way out of the whole mess. The spiritual teachers tell us that in the end it will all come down to the simplistic and basic act of "sharing". Something we teach our children. But how do we get there as adults, as human beings living together in one world?

First sharing, then justice, then peace.
 
Neo said:
Everyone is looking for a third way out of the whole mess. The spiritual teachers tell us that in the end it will all come down to the simplistic and basic act of "sharing". Something we teach our children. But how do we get there as adults, as human beings living together in one world?

First sharing, then justice, then peace.
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First comes love, then comes marriage, then comes Donald in the baby carriage. :D

Alas, people having been asking these questions for millennia and we don't seem to be too much closer to the answer. Things are arguably better, but we still seem to alternate between lurching forward and stumbling back.
 
My go to passage on achieving peace is, as quoted many times before, from Lao Tzu.

If there is to be peace in the world,
There must be peace in the nations.

If there is to be peace in the nations,
There must be peace in the cities.

If there is to be peace in the cities,
There must be peace between neighbors.

If there is to be peace between neighbors,
There must be peace in the home.

If there is to be peace in the home,
There must be peace in the heart
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Which essentially says that to achieve peace in the world, we must first ourselves be at peace.
 
Maybe Trump could turn into a blessing?
DIdn't the Sowjet Union fall apart because they could no longer afford all the military to control all the countries? Plus a dwindeling economy. if Trump cancels all the international trades, the US will have to become more autark ( I hope this is an english word), and might turn into a more agricultural industry. Being so self centered, other countries will benefit and power structures will shift. America is going to be great again, looking into the mirror, circeling around itself.
 
Mendalla said:
First comes love, then comes marriage, then comes Donald in the baby carriage. :D

Alas, people having been asking these questions for millennia and we don't seem to be too much closer to the answer. Things are arguably better, but we still seem to alternate between lurching forward and stumbling back.
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I believe we are much closer than we think. The birth of a new Humanity is in that carraige. Through technology the world is becoming one voice.
 
I think that if the whole world committed to meditating for a minimum of 10 minutes per day, aiming for a goal of a min half an hour, we'd be in a much better position to face the coming reality of climate change and rising sea levels, and the concomitant crises.
 
Big news headline today: "Dow zooms up 1,000 points since Trump's victory." Trump's perceived success in prevented 1,100 Carrier jobs from going to Mexico, in preventing a Ford plant from relocating abroad, and, most recently, in attracting 50,000 new jobs, thanks to a Japanese billionaire's promised investment is changing many American minds about Trump. One commentator wryly observed that in 2 weeks President Elect Trump has done more for the economy than Obama did in his 8-year presidency! And Trump hasn't even taken office yet! Will Trump fever be running wild when he finally takes office and proves his "get it done"' bone fides? It will be interesting to see.
 
Yeah, well, then there's the trending #Trumpregrets... and the seeming inability of anyone to get Drumpf off Twitter and into Security Briefings...
 
I stopped writing my blog today some hours ago. I go through a lot of news sources, and what struck me about them today was how unreal they were. That was true of mainstream news media and also of real news media.
And at one point I had written that Trump was a revolution (though I did not say that kindly. But now I'm thinking it over.
It's not a a revolution in any sense of change. Trump's values, ideas and social views are not signficantly different from those of Clinton - except that they are a little more backward and vicious. But not much.
No. It's not revolution. It's a change in style, reminiscent of Hitler. He doesn't intend to honour the promises he made to working class voters. ( Yes, I know he saved some domestic jobs. That was show biz, not policy. In most respects he builds on old, American myths about themselves to make himself wealthy.)
It's not a revolution. It's a collapse of any realism at all in American objectives. It's the final collapse of a house of cards which has been shaky for a long time. inevitably, it's a collapse off all the myths Americans have about themselves.
He has selected, so far, the most vicious and rich-friendly administration in American history. God help the poor who voted for himj.
And for a new wrinkle, consider this. Why was he so nice to Putin? Well, today's news is that the major part of the U.S. fleet in gathering in the pacific. Why would it do that? Well, it's quite possible that he (and his predecessors) are working on a deal with Russia to give the US a free hand with China. China has been the major target of the U.S. for over a century. For the U.S., China was the real reason for entering World War 2. Roosevelt was hoping to take advantage of the problems of the western powers who controlled China to add China to the U.S. empire.
And forget the tales of Pearl Harbout. Just note 1 the major and modern American ships were not in Pearl at the time of the attack. and 2 - Roosevelt had just cut off Japan's oil supply.
 
Graeme Decarie said:
And forget the tales of Pearl Harbout. Just note 1 the major and modern American ships were not in Pearl at the time of the attack. and 2 - Roosevelt had just cut off Japan's oil supply.
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Attacking the US was likely the dumbest move Japan made to start with. Attacking while the carriers were at sea, which left the US with its most valuable assets in terms of being able to retaliate intact, put it into Darwin awards territory.
 
Japan had no choice. Nor did it know the best warships would be away from home.
The U.S. wanted that war. For billionaire businessmen, China was the pot of gold. With Britain, France and others out of the picture, the U.S. could move in, and had it's own puppet leader already in place. U.S. big business wanted that war. It goes way back. It's the main reason the U.S. major naval base was far away in mid-pacific.
Western dealings with China had been brutal for over a centurty. When we look at the disarray of China in Mao's time, we forget who created that disarray.
The U.S. still wants China. And all the evidence is it's willing to fight a nuclear war to get it.
 
Here is a very interesting fact about the election:
There are 3,141 counties in the USA.
Trump won 3,084 of them.
Clinton won just 57 of them.
In other words, Clinton's win by nearly 2 million in the popular vote just means that she won overwhelmingly in some of the most densely populated counties with big cities.
 
Graeme Decarie said:
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And for a new wrinkle, consider this. Why was he so nice to Putin? Well, today's news is that the major part of the U.S. fleet in gathering in the pacific. Why would it do that? Well, it's quite possible that he (and his predecessors) are working on a deal with Russia to give the US a free hand with China. China has been the major target of the U.S. for over a century. For the U.S., China was the real reason for entering World War 2. .
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Isn't that one (among many) of the reasons that Rome fell? Their empire became so vast that it was impossible to control it.
 
An elephant in a confined (mortal) space? Does such a critter become destructive ... sort of like a mind that really sees where it came from! That's depressing and could lead to sublime consequences leading out of here ... and now ... abstract space?
 
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