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Pr. Jae said:
More than one sense Mendalla. Right in that the Republican party is on the political right; right in that Cruz is putting former selfish ways behind him to do what is best for his party and his nation.
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I would have stopped at party and even that is iffy. If Trump keeps close and does a credible job or wins, then maybe. If he crashes and burns (and he still could if he f's up), then the GOP could go down with him. So we won't know if it is best for the party until the election is over.
 
Is the right not more powerful ... with the exception to those being differing to right ... all that's left and unseen by the powers too busy at making monis ... to think of the social support system ... yes th' eM peoples ... a host of demons !

They chew at the soul of those higher up in Eire ...

Few can see the backbone of the nation collapsing ... the po' people that are being pushed out by business efficiency ... with appropriate mechanics ... can we dispense of people and not be pensive about them? So it appears even if not right ... thus an incarnate illusion?

So the time machine creeps out the rich as they do things to appear younger ... abuse of the natural process?
 
Kimmio - all presidents have had teams who work on their image. And in recent years, those teams are highly trained in image-making. Clinton has a team - they work on her speeches, her clothes, everything. There's nothing unusual about Trump in this respect.
Jae - I just looked over another thread babbling about left-wingers. The reality is that a right winger from one country can be a left winger in another. It's a comparative term. (To suggest that Clinton is a left-winger - in any country - is absurd.)
And has it never occured to you that the message of Jesus is left-wing in our society? And that fundamentalist preachers commonly see greed and wealth as desirable? (Not Tommy Douglas, though.)
Perhaps you will list the sins of left-wingers?

Neither of the candidates has touched on any of the very serious problems confronting the U.S. Neither has considered the meaning of the fact that the U.S. has murdered millions of people over the last 15 years. It has created tens of millions of refugees who now survive in misery. None of them was a threat to the U.S. The U.S. has claimed the right to invade and murder in any country it likes regardless of law. It carried out the torture of thousands - and has refused to investigate the people who ordered that torture.
I'm sure you consider this different from Hitler. I don't.
Onward Christian soldiers.
 
The contrast in left-wingers depending on the field of basis is not something that occupies the minds of authorities ... they believe their god-like positions are above such occupation ...

When occupation host arrive ... what do authorities do about them? Oh shoot ... maybe I miss't it ...
 
Graeme Decarie said:
Kimmio - all presidents have had teams who work on their image. And in recent years, those teams are highly trained in image-making. Clinton has a team - they work on her speeches, her clothes, everything. There's nothing unusual about Trump in this respect.
Jae - I just looked over another thread babbling about left-wingers. The reality is that a right winger from one country can be a left winger in another. It's a comparative term. (To suggest that Clinton is a left-winger - in any country - is absurd.)
And has it never occured to you that the message of Jesus is left-wing in our society? And that fundamentalist preachers commonly see greed and wealth as desirable? (Not Tommy Douglas, though.)
Perhaps you will list the sins of left-wingers?

Neither of the candidates has touched on any of the very serious problems confronting the U.S. Neither has considered the meaning of the fact that the U.S. has murdered millions of people over the last 15 years. It has created tens of millions of refugees who now survive in misery. None of them was a threat to the U.S. The U.S. has claimed the right to invade and murder in any country it likes regardless of law. It carried out the torture of thousands - and has refused to investigate the people who ordered that torture.
I'm sure you consider this different from Hitler. I don't.
Onward Christian soldiers.
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Oh Graeme. Now you are Naive.That is Trump. That image is who he is, by all accounts. If anything the "image consultants" have tried to shut him up, but it doesn't last. Trump is an anomaly and a dangerous one.
 
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Kimmio said:
Oh Graeme. Now you are Naive.That is Trump. That image is who he is, by all accounts. If anything the "image consultants" have tried to shut him up, but it doesn't last. Trump is an anomaly and a dangerous one.
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@Graeme Decarie politically naive? Seriously? Must be a different Graeme Decarie :cool:. The one I know is as cynical as all hell and that's the opposite of naive when you're dealing in politics.
 
Mendalla said:
@Graeme Decarie politically naive? Seriously? Must be a different Graeme Decarie :cool:. The one I know is as cynical as all hell and that's the opposite of naive when you're dealing in politics.
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He is knowledgable about politics, and history. But we are not just talking about politics. We are talking about Trump in 2016, "the anti-politician" who has harnessed the infotainment/ reality show media, and Internet social media - that dumbs down critical thought and spreads propaganda at lightning speed. We are also talking about inherent personality - Trump, by all accounts in everything he ever did, is a narcissist who sees people as nothing more than bargaining chips with which to further his own interest - which is HIMSELF. He's a little bit Hitler, a little bit Mussolini, a little bit Howard Hughs, a little bit Big Brother of 1984, a little bit Walt Disney, a little bit Al Capone...to compare...but all of these things are part of Trump's own personality which drives his personal ambitions. He is not a typical politician which is what attracts people to him...but if you can see the bigger picture it should scare the s**t out of you. I prefer typical boring Clinton with her yuuuge email scandal to Trump's conscience-void narcisistic poker game.
 
Trump does not have a political ideology. He makes it up as he goes along, only in an effort to benefit himself and his own power pursuits - so, from a broad and vague definition of fascism, that is why he is a fascist - because he will do anything to "win" and it doesn't matter who gets hurt in the process because people are just bargaining chips.
 
I've known quite a few politicians, some of them quite senior. I have rarely met one who had a social philosophy as the starting point of his politics. (One is the few is Warren Allmand who was solicitor general under Trudeau. His philosophy was very much shaped by the Catholic Social Action movement.)
But for most of them, politics is about winning elections. Period. The have no sense of what our society should strive for. They are in it for themselves. And it's all for what they can get out of it.
Lester Pearson really had a social vision. It was largely concerned with foreign affairs. But it had a sense of what Canadian society needed in that realm. Pierre Trudeau had the same sort of sense. Justin doesn't. Not at all.
Brian Mulroney was pure sleaze all the way.
For Trump, it's ego. For the Clintons, it's financial self-interest.
I don't quite know the reason for Pr. jae's enthusiasm for Trump and the right wing. He may just need to read the Ten Commandments more closely.
 
Which is what I said.

Essentially, to continually win at his own grandiosity game and feed his own ego he will do anything...even if he doesn't even know what the true definition of fascism is. Whatever works for him, whatever impulse he has that fuels him. People are nothing but a means to his own power and attention grab. And...he actually really genuinely sees nothing wrong with that. It's his personality. That's full blown narcisistic. I don't fear that as much with Hillary. I think she is competitive - but I think she's capable of caring about people even if she has gotten caught up in nasty geopolitics in the past. I think she can change. I don't think Trump can.
 
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Kimmio said:
As a group, percentage wise, more blacks are living in poverty, as are other ethnic non-white groups. Being white still is a slight advantage in terms of poverty - and that does not ignore the fact that there are poor white people. But the truth is still that minority groups are more disadvantaged - better than 50 years ago - but still disadvantaged. Fact.
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And that slight 'white' advantage is what you are holding onto - therefore the distinction in my earlier post.

I think I will label you - entitled disabled white suprema-feminist racist canadian indentured servant.

Poor is Poor - For Crying Out Loud!

It continues to appear to me that you, like Hillary Clinton and Madame Albright, accept that killing and starving millions of 'more than me disadvantaged' people all over the world is a price 'worth it' and then thank 'god' for those small favors granted to you by those atrocities - your slightly more privileged white disabled poor class status.

Earlier on in this thread I mentioned that it was pointless to try to discuss politics with you because you were already too compromised and you made fun of me for saying that.

You consider yourself no less naive than everyone here yet you refuse to give an inch on all of the atrocities that have been outlined here as done in Obama's or Hillary's name ( and I mean in their name - they are puppets and they have puppet masters).

You defend every atrocity as forgivable because these puppets have no choice - either because they are too black or too female or too whatever and they must be given another chance to make things right.

Then, in another thread, you will carry on about how the government is setting people of your 'specific' privilege up for assisted dying whether you want it or not. (on that I agree with you). So which is it?

You do not know Obama Hillary or Trump personally do you?

Yet for some reason you seem to identify with Hillary and Obama on a 'label' level.

Give your head a shake - they are not like you - they have never been like you - and that is what you need to be thanking 'god' for.

I wish that I had better writing skills so that I could impress on you that whatever I am saying here I am saying not to attack you or to make you feel less than - I say it in hopes of alleviating some of your anxiety around this whole charade that is the 2016 election - if you are being honest that is - maybe you are just playing a game with us here?

I am following this election - like other people follow other rather bizarre reality TV shows - that's all it is - fake reality - it's a game to try to distract me - from 'knowing' what is really going on - behind the scenes - that is what I am really interested in.

I wish you no harm whatsoever Kimmio - I do not believe myself to be better than you or smarter than you or superior to you in any way shape or form. I have a different perspective on things now than when I was your age and, of a course, I have had some life experience in common with yours and some probably not in common with yours at all.

But please, if you are not as naive as you are presenting yourself here - on the 'actual' issues that others are trying to address around this political campaign - then I would have to suggest that perhaps it is you that is being Narcissistic?

I appreciate that you have opinions and you are certainly entitled to them - but in the face of all of the information that has been presented to you in this thread around the corruptness of the government in question here - I have yet to see you counter with actual facts disproving any of them to continue to justify any of those opinions.

In all sincerity Kimmio - they don't even seem like opinions anymore - you just keep repeating them over and over like a pet parrot that has been locked in a cage with Hillary Clinton for too long. - You can do better - I know you can - So how about that AIPEC stuff - seriously I am curious - does congress really have to pledge allegiance to it in order for their projects to be "funded' by anyone with 'funds'? Do you actually think that Hillary will make it through the debate - will it be cancelled - because of some 'disaster' - if we are going to play the guessing games - what's your best guess on that?
 
Entitled disabled white suprema-feminist. You can take out the white suprema part - the rest I will consider. I know I am more fortunate than many people.

Actually monk, I favour not upsetting the delicate political balance anymore than it already is, for reasons you might not understand...for young people who have nothing to do with the nasty geopolitics forced on them by their elders. Upsetting the whole apple cart always makes things worse. ... And working from where we're at to make things better. A middle road if there can be such a thing. And I think Hillary would be more amenable to that going forward than Trump could be because he is too impulsive. Not that either is perfect or spotless. Ok? I just think it isn't wise to go to extremes because you're mad as hell. We live in the world we live in. It will never be perfect but if it falls into chaos there'll be nothing left of it.
 
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So you favor continued war and impoverishment of innocent 'others' in the name of Hillary as opposed to in the name of Trump. The delicate balance of inverted totalitarianism is okay with you - for reasons I might not understand - but only if it is continued under the name of Hillary - not Trump.
 
For 4 years I think the world can survive Hillary Clinton. And for 4 years I hope people can put their anger aside and not vote in Trump just because they want to say F you to the establishment. It's just hot-headed ness and I think now is a very bad time to do that because I think the alternative to Hillary is much worse. That's all. Sorry to be a broken record.
 
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