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Thanks for the history, revsdd. Does highlight a huge difference with the U.S. two-party system, doesn't it?

Proportional representation has potential flaws; first-past the post has it's own troubles. There's got to be some other ways.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Thanks for the history, revsdd. Does highlight a huge difference with the U.S. two-party system, doesn't it?

Proportional representation has potential flaws; first-past the post has it's own troubles. There's got to be some other ways.
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Absolute monarchy gets rid of the problems of both systems fairly handily, I say. I'd happily accept the crown from the grateful Canadians seeking release from this oppressive, so-called "democracy". And I already have an heir who will be of age in a year, so succession is dealt with. :D
 
Mendalla said:
Absolute monarchy gets rid of the problems of both systems fairly handily, I say. I'd happily accept the crown from the grateful Canadians seeking release from this oppressive, so-called "democracy". And I already have an heir who will be of age in a year, so succession is dealt with. :D
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Let them drink coffee!
 
Consider the possibility of multiple party systems with:
  1. Oligarchs (pure variety)
  2. Oligarchs (alternate, church variety ... entailing belief in the impurity)
  3. Oligarchs (opposing variety as business intent on destruction of the base material)
  4. Imaginary Oligarchy where the concerns for the base material include the demos or the common composition of the market that includes the po' folk who carry out the chit ordered upon them by the previous 3 versions.
Please note that the 4th variety is a concept right outside the capabilities of the other trinity as a power-corrupting triad! Thus the primary 3 would say the 4h is just out of the possibilities ... thus creating the abstract ... or imaginary side of thought ... or isolated mental process ... just gone before we arrived ... like the departures hip of God when seeing what was coming down the line ... in this case the spark starting the process could've been an essential ethereal non-substance like a foul smell!

Aura of a female genre to many a strong man that was to corrupt the relationship by force, power, etc.? The kind of essence that exudes when stirring a cesspool created by Gods? That'd be the devils work ... as the God's would know how due to over focus on crapping on others due to the tendency to shame the lesser people as described in "hubris" as found within Wikipedia!

This may be too deep for the facetiae type ... literalists on flowering incarnation?

There are eve in theories that would allow that one is a mire image of the other ... thus the wholly thing is dark ... a Shadow of shaman?

Words are like that ... especially in myths!
 
chansen said:
I'm not great at what I do here, but if there is a Holy Spirit, it's pretty clear she sucks even worse than I do. All you can do is jump up and down and tell people about your version of the Holy Spirit, but you have nothing to demonstrate. Worse, you're a professional jerk online, and if the Holy Spirit is moving you at all, she's moving you in ways that repel others.

The willingness of evangelical elements of Christianity to hitch their wagons to a bigoted man like Donald Trump could damage them as much as Trump damages the Republican party. If Trump wins, it could give these people unprecedented power in exchange for their support of a man who clearly has far more interest in winning the contest than he has in governing. If Trump loses badly, and evangelical Christianity gets called out effectively for its hypocrisy, that could swing faith in the US even more violently away from Christianity than it is currently drifting now.

This could be an "all or nothing" moment in American politics and faith.
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Nothing to demonstrate? What about the unity of the church, the salvation of millions, and miraculous hearings around the world. I'd hardly call those things nothing.
 
If you want to point to the unity of a religion with thousands of schisms in its history, indecipherable claims of "salvation", and healings that are debunked every time they are studied, go for it. It is advantageous to me that you go as far out on these limbs as you can, because none of them can support the weight of your claims. It's fascinating to watch you try. It's like you're trying to reinforce my hypothesis that you say these things just to get a reaction, and you don't even believe them.
 
chansen said:
If you want to point to the unity of a religion with thousands of schisms in its history, indecipherable claims of "salvation", and healings that are debunked every time they are studied, go for it. It is advantageous to me that you go as far out on these limbs as you can, because none of them can support the weight of your claims. It's fascinating to watch you try. It's like you're trying to reinforce my hypothesis that you say these things just to get a reaction, and you don't even believe them.
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What!!!how can you deny this, it's right before your eyes! ;)

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/todd-bentley-hamilton-1.3689603
 
We went from Donald Trump to Christianity.

Since Donald Trump managed to win over Jerry Falwell (Jr.?) I think it's safe to say that certain elements of Christianity are not free from corruption. He even took a photo in front of Donald's Playboy cover framed on the wall. Oops. Not that Donald's playboy cover is the worst problem he has - it's just that the narcissistic hypocrisy is just oozing from his campaign and its supporters on so many levels. When he has preachers saying they believe without a doubt that Donald Trump is God's candidate or something to that effect - I feel sick to my stomach. The man played Sympathy for the Devil at his rallies for crying out loud. (Which by the way is not a "Satanic" song. It's a song about how evil operates. And the lyrics are really smart, make you think. Not that Mick Jagger is a saint by any stretch but the song is satire.) Donald Trump is everything Jesus was not - whether you believe in Jesus literally or metaphorically, or not at all but are just familiar with the stories. Donald Trump is Al Franken's "Supply Side Jesus" - opposite, alternate Universe Jesus. In other words - nothing he represents is Christian.

Hillary is by no means a perfect candidate free from corruption but she is trying to move in a better, more hopeful, direction. And her campaign is not all about her.
 
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I think the Evangelical right wing has corrupted American politics, in the last 40 years, to such an extent that elements of it cannot be described as Christian. If that were not the case I think the world would look a lot different right now. If people were following Jesus' example or just simply caring about other people we share our nations and this world with, and not building up the MIC - that's what Christianity comes down to - the world would look a lot different. We need people to lead willing to start dismantling the war (and greed) machine and making a better world. It won't be completed in my lifetime but I'd like to see it start to get better.
 
Kimmio said:
I think the Evangelical right wing has corrupted American politics, in the last 40 years, to such an extent that elements of it cannot be described as Christian.
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It doesn't matter what you think - they are Christians, and they have just as much right to describe themselves and what they stand for as "Christian" as you do. You don't like their version, and they don't like yours. This is your joint problem, but you can't just save Christianity from their influence by announcing they don't represent the faith. Clearly, they do.
 
chansen said:
It doesn't matter what you think - they are Christians, and they have just as much right to describe themselves and what they stand for as "Christian" as you do. You don't like their version, and they don't like yours. This is your joint problem, but you can't just save Christianity from their influence by announcing they don't represent the faith. Clearly, they do.
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They aren't Christians - they don't endeavour to be Christ-like. They relish in hating anyone who is not like them. They seem to love war and power, and their second amendment rights. Claiming those things in the name of Christ is not right. A true Christian "extremest" - is an idealist in action who would want to be working toward "radical" peace, social justice and unity in the world. "turning swords (guns) into ploughshares"

(Just because a group uses a name doesn't mean the philosophy fits. Like the BC Liberals aren't Liberals. They're neo-liberal-conservatives.)
 
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Kimmio, they will say *you* aren't a Christian. They have scripture, too.

This is a problem you can't just proclaim doesn't exist. Just because it sucks, doesn't mean it's not of Christianity.
 
Christianity/religion should remain outside of politics IMO. Christianity is an alternative way of thinking, it's not political.
 
Waterfall said:
Christianity/religion should remain outside of politics IMO. Christianity is an alternative way of thinking, it's not political.
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Thing is...anytime people form groups with shared values about how to make groups function well, it becomes "political". Even being a-political is a political position because those who are a-political have their own group expectations, and that's political. Just like office politics is political. Church politics is political. Neighbourhood politics is political.

I believe politics needs to be transformed into something different, and more conducive to getting to a more just and peaceful world. A new political status quo guided by different values - eventually.
 
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