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You're right. I'm a miserable w retch who just hates the rich. I shall make every effort to follow your example and admire them.
Isn't it wonderful the way Mr. Trump has made money? And now has given up his little free time to lead the U.S.? And isn't it sweet of oil billionaires for continuing to build those nice pipelines for us? And to encourage us to kill those awful Muslims? Of course, some Muslims, like the royals of Saudi Arabia are good. That's because they're billionaires. They're philanhtropically murdering starving Yemenis because they're poor and not worth keeping alive.
People who are rich must be good people. That's why I've always had doubts about Jesus.

Lots of Rich philanthropists are giving money to develop world government. In fact, almost all American billionaires support the idea. ---a world at peace - owing to America dominating the world and under the control of billionaires Yes, the rich have big hearts. That's why they've killed some 20 million in wars (since 1945), created 60 million refugees, just to spread democracy all over the world.
Incidentally, if he gives five million for a game show to choose a world government, that would be something less than 1% of his income. So, wow! I give more than that each year. Gosh. I'm one of them there phil-ant-rop-istics.
Yes, I'm a miserable, hateful wretch. But I've never murdered anybody or created refugees or destroyed democracies.

Kimmio. Don't be so naive. And you might drop a note to you billionaire hero, and ask him if he pays any taxes.

WE have one one of those down here who who doesn't pay any taxes. However, he does give money (less than the taxes he should be giving) to worthy charities. And for that, the Chamber of Commerce holds special dinners (costing more than he gave) to slobber all over him as philanthopist of the year.
 
I know almost as little about him as you, but you've already judged him. Don't you want rich people trying to do good with their money? And this is one idea, one "bursary" he's putting out. Who knows what he's planning with the rest of it. You don't know but you assume the worst of him.
 
Kimmio said:
Anybody speak Swedish...who can translate the description?

I can't cut and paste it into google translate.

https://www.ginza.se/product/szomba...ch-fornuft-en-bok-om-moraliska-beslut/662089/
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Questions of moral ties permeates our lives and our society. In the book Emotion and Reason examines publicly legend László Szombatfalvy concept of morality and how we should relate to our moral decisions in everyday life, work and in relationships with other people. The book is bound. Range: 380 pages. Due out in late October. The following topics are covered. factors behind the moral decisions of justice many faces of individuals' morale levels of women's and men's morale corporate "moral" reasons to wrong policy decisions the world's most important moral decisions

- that was using Google Translator.
 
Jae said:
Questions of moral ties permeates our lives and our society. In the book Emotion and Reason examines publicly legend László Szombatfalvy concept of morality and how we should relate to our moral decisions in everyday life, work and in relationships with other people. The book is bound. Range: 380 pages. Due out in late October. The following topics are covered. factors behind the moral decisions of justice many faces of individuals' morale levels of women's and men's morale corporate "moral" reasons to wrong policy decisions the world's most important moral decisions

- that was using Google Translator.
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Thanks. Couldn't figure out how to do it from my phone.

I think Graeme and Laszlo should have a chat. They'd probably like each other.
 
revsdd said:
Bannon may actually be the most powerful man in the world. But I'm not talking about the Steve Bannons. I'm talking about the mass of people who supported Trump out of anger. Who simply shook their fists and shouted "Yeah man! America first! Make America great again! Lock her up! Build the wall! Ban the Muslims! Fake news!" Those who got captured by angry slogans and sideshows.
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Greed and Avarice bring in their wake Envy and Resentment as surely as gravity holds us to the ground.
 
Hi Kimmio,

There is a new reality waiting in the wings. It will be revealed only when we step out of the inherited reality. That reality is not to be patched and it cannot be mended. Something about trajectory and velocity.

This in no way admits discouragement or despair. It overcomes them. Now we are clear on our purpose. Each of us will bring the very best that is in us to bear on the challenge facing all of us. We will speak plain to the powers and offer them opportunity to reconsider their priorities and commitments. They will pay little heed. They will bring in force and hold us hostage. When it suits their purpose they will drive us away and demolish all signs of our presence. This is not me predicting the future. It is me spelling out a pattern that is as old as human being.

All indigenous peoples survived all manner of natural challenge for countless generations. This survival was made possible by respect for the limits of nature. Not so with the civilized white folk spreading out of Europe following the Enlightenment. We positioned ourselves as the lords and masters of nature. Encountering persons adapted to their natural habitat we determined to destroy their cultures and take possession of their lands. We were going to replace the natural with the artificial.

We have pushed our environment to a critical limit. This was seen approaching by some long ago. It is being seen by many now. Soon all will see it. Happy are those who prepare themselves spiritually to endure the challenge materially.

George


 
Change, not destruction, George - is what I continue to hope for. Always. Rather than a pheonix rising from the ashes of destruction in a big fiery display - that is, to me, a violent image - caused by a mix of greed and avarice and envy and resentment - and we shall overcome it not continue to expect it....I prefer this imagery:

 
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Interestingly enough, the Phoenix is a 'natural' image. There are quite a number of pine species' cones that will only release their seeds when consumed by fire.
 
Oh, by the way...I like your camp tune!

I was referring to your earlier references and I find the fiery image of the pheonix, violent - and I don't think envy and resentment help us in the mix any better than greed and avarice.
 
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Interestingly enough, the Phoenix is a 'natural' image. There are quite a number of pine species' cones that will only release their seeds when consumed by fire.
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Fine but there are examples of gentler natural occurrences - but the aggressive ones always take precedence in symbolism and in the world. You could say humans fighting wars is a natural occurance too. But it's not a preferable one.
 
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It might be interesting sometime, Kimmio, to expand your ideas of "good" and "bad". Part of the problem is that without aggression, critters starve.
 
( This is late because I forgot to post it.)

Kimmio - almost all wealthy people are philanthropists. That's because there's a world system to avoid taxes for them. Almost all of them then make piddling gestures which look good but are way below the taxes they should be paying. Most U.S. presidents for the last 150 years and more have been owned by the very wealthy. And the wars that have been fought were fought largely for them. (Don't kid yourself the U.S. went to war because of Hitler or his genocide. In fact, American big business thought highly of Hitler.
Why do you think the U.S. has killed so many people and set up so many dictatorships in Latin America? Why do you think the U.S. conquered The Phillippines? to bring it baseball and democracy? Why do you think the US invaded Iraq? Do you know they lied about their reasons for that war? It's not a secret. Why are they helping to kill the people of Yemen? are those people going to swim the ocean to invade the U.S.?
Has it not occurred to you that your hero might want a world order that would make him richer?
When it comes to doing good for all, the wealthy throughout history do not have a good track record. Why do you think the British invaded South Africa? And tell me what advantage the average Englishman got from that war. Why did Canada send troops to the Boer War? Were those Dutch farmers threatening us?
Why do you think Canadians died in Afghanistan? To protect us from invasion? Why did Canadians kill in Libya? Why did we sell weapons to Saudi Arabia, one of the world's worst human right violators?
And if you want to read, there's a book or two on the horrible behaviour of Canadian corporate bosses in the field of mining all over the world. They're known for starvation wages, terrible working conditions, environmental destruction. Next time you're shopping in Superstore, drop into the Joe Fresh section. It sells clothes made in Asia by Canadian owners who are notorious for exploitation and for dangerous working conditions.
So don't gush every time a billionaires steps up and says, "I want to do good things for you."
And don't assume they have great minds. Typically, they are born into wealth. That's how you get a multimillionaire George Bush Jr. (His daddy, even wealthier) was a mass murderer in Latin America, supervising the massacre of almost 300,000 civilians. (It didn't make our news.)

As an aside, any system of government requires force. The trick is to keep the power to use force out of the hands of the wrong people - and that's why we need an educated and responsible public (which we don't have.)
 
maybe. But if we can overcome our animal natures, it's the world's best kept secret. We haven't overcome them in tens of thousands of years.
 
Graeme Decarie said:
( This is late because I forgot to post it.)

Kimmio - almost all wealthy people are philanthropists. That's because there's a world system to avoid taxes for them. Almost all of them then make piddling gestures which look good but are way below the taxes they should be paying. Most U.S. presidents for the last 150 years and more have been owned by the very wealthy. And the wars that have been fought were fought largely for them. (Don't kid yourself the U.S. went to war because of Hitler or his genocide. In fact, American big business thought highly of Hitler.
Why do you think the U.S. has killed so many people and set up so many dictatorships in Latin America? Why do you think the U.S. conquered The Phillippines? to bring it baseball and democracy? Why do you think the US invaded Iraq? Do you know they lied about their reasons for that war? It's not a secret. Why are they helping to kill the people of Yemen? are those people going to swim the ocean to invade the U.S.?
Has it not occurred to you that your hero might want a world order that would make him richer?
When it comes to doing good for all, the wealthy throughout history do not have a good track record. Why do you think the British invaded South Africa? And tell me what advantage the average Englishman got from that war. Why did Canada send troops to the Boer War? Were those Dutch farmers threatening us?
Why do you think Canadians died in Afghanistan? To protect us from invasion? Why did Canadians kill in Libya? Why did we sell weapons to Saudi Arabia, one of the world's worst human right violators?
And if you want to read, there's a book or two on the horrible behaviour of Canadian corporate bosses in the field of mining all over the world. They're known for starvation wages, terrible working conditions, environmental destruction. Next time you're shopping in Superstore, drop into the Joe Fresh section. It sells clothes made in Asia by Canadian owners who are notorious for exploitation and for dangerous working conditions.
So don't gush every time a billionaires steps up and says, "I want to do good things for you."
And don't assume they have great minds. Typically, they are born into wealth. That's how you get a multimillionaire George Bush Jr. (His daddy, even wealthier) was a mass murderer in Latin America, supervising the massacre of almost 300,000 civilians. (It didn't make our news.)

As an aside, any system of government requires force. The trick is to keep the power to use force out of the hands of the wrong people - and that's why we need an educated and responsible public (which we don't have.)
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Look up this Laszlo person (sorry, his last name is spelled above) and find out about him, read about his ideas before you condemn him.

Interestingly, he is not just deciding how he thinks the world should be run and using his money to that end - he is offering money to people to motivate them to think about ideas - he wants to use their ideas as solutions for a better world.

Desmond Tutu and other high Anglican religious leaders are on the "board" of supporters of his organization. As are grassroots community organizers, YMCA reps from poorer countries, youth organizations, environmental groups, mayors, and others, secular and religious...as well as other high profile billionaires like Richard Branson. But, so what? The more the merrier. Whatever helps. And they are not being offered this contest - regular people are. I'm not knocking a good idea before it even gets off the ground.
 
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But Kimmio has a good point in there. We have to break with the past by thinking of the needs of people as a starting point. We have to reach a moral accord on government.
 
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