Thoughts re allegations re Kavanaugh

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

There are too many bad apple conservatives in the GOP spoiling the whole barrel...and the "never Trump" Republicans have statistically gone extinct.

Besides it was unfettered free market principles and neoliberal/ neocon austerity that got us here and left room for the bad apples to do their dealings and lead to a world where climate change is out of control and a handful of people hold as much cumulative wealth as 350 billion + people - plutocracy - and pretty soon the companies that make technology will control us, and people's means of work, rather than the majority in control of it. Anyone who thinks that's ok has a morals and ethics problem.

 

[Northwind]

FFS.......

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/noam-chomsky-republican-party-most-dangerous-organisation-human-history-us-politics-mit-linguist-a7706026.html?amp

Noam Chomsky: Republican Party is the most dangerous organisation in human history

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

FFS.......

Back atcha.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

How Silicon Valley, spooks and the super-rich took control of the 21st century

 

[Northwind]

How Silicon Valley, spooks and the super-rich took control of the 21st century

And that is related to the thread topic how?

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

And that is related to the thread topic how?

The GOP has control of the house, senate, and judiciary...a one party ruling State, with a judiciary that is both bought by ( dark money lobbiests) and will support the super rich, and implement austerity for the poor in terms of cuts to social programs that help minorities and immigrants, and workers rights. Silicon Valley plutocrats are among the super rich who control the world...we don’t get to vote on it...thanks to predatory capitalism.

 

[Northwind]

Um, this is a thread about Kavanaugh........

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Um, this is a thread about Kavanaugh........

Um...who was just appointed a Supreme Court judge set to make and enforce the policies of a one party state that supports the super rich. He himself, from an elite background that protects its own. It makes him dangerous.

 

[Northwind]

Maybe you and @blackbelt1961 need to start a thread to argue about whether the Dems or Republicans are the most evil.

All or nothing thinking and over generalizing serves no useful purpose.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Maybe you and @blackbelt1961 need to start a thread to argue about whether the Dems or Republicans are the most evil.

All or nothing thinking and over generalizing serves no useful purpose.

I think you’re making a false equivalency argument. Tell me one good Republican initiative you can think of today. Name one decent Republican leader you can think of.

I think that the status quo neoliberal dem career politicians are nearly as bad. But not the Social Democratic faction of the dems. And that doesn’t mean because I’m not too impressed with the neoliberal dems, that I don’t believe Dr. Ford is telling the truth, or that I don’t think Kavanaugh lied, about other things besides the allegations, because he felt entitled to the SCOTUS job. Which he should not have been entitled to. But he was paid for.

 

[Northwind]

I'm not playing that game. Goodnight.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Maybe you and @blackbelt1961 need to start a thread to argue about whether the Dems or Republicans are the most evil.

All or nothing thinking and over generalizing serves no useful purpose.

sometimes all or nothing, as you say, serves a purpose. All democracy, no fascism, for example. The latter cannot be tolerated.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

I'm not playing that game. Goodnight.

What game? You are really something. You make your point then stick your nose in the air when challenged. Goodnight to you. Don’t converse with me anymore.

 

[chansen]

No one can.

 

[Northwind]

No one can.

I believe this started because I dared to suggest that I thought there were some good principles in the GOP. Apparently I was not clear in expressing that I did not believe the current Republican party reflected those principles. Must be because my nose was in the air so I didn't see what I was typing.

Enough of that. I think I've been clear on my views of Kavanaugh and that situation.

 

[Northwind]

I went back over some of this thread to see what the heck happened. I posted this comment:

I find many of the current Republican bigwigs to be repugnant. I do though, see many good things about the traditional "GOP".

I got this in response:

There are too many bad apple conservatives in the GOP spoiling the whole barrel...and the "never Trump" Republicans have statistically gone extinct.

Most notably:

Anyone who thinks that's ok has a morals and ethics problem.

I took that as a dig.

When I went back, I saw there were in fact comments about Kavanaugh after the spiels about neoliberalism and such. I don't disagree with some of those sentiments. At the same time I find it pointless to discuss because I will not engage in black and white, good vs evil dialogue.

As I said before I'll leave it to the two to decide which evil is more evil, the Dems or the Republicans.

 

[Luce NDs]

The judgement on Kavangaugh is not and cannot be simply a legal one. He is being placed in a position of great importance, and one that has the very broad confidence of the American people. And he doesn't have that. Nor is it just the matter of his sexual past. He has a long history of being a front man for the very, very wealth in buying politicians. His life has been one of serving the very wealthy - and often in 'inappropriate' ways. This is a man who cannot be trusted to be impartial or honest in judicial cases. And you do not appoint people who cannot be trusted to be impartial for the Supreme Court.

Does impartial suggest they don't wish to be apart r divided by avarice? Really goes against the battle cry: "divide and conquer" thus some dark power gave us two minds by half"! Could it be a test?

Prepare for the essence of testing ... a meer thought?

 

[Luce NDs]

In the process ... which is the lesser of two evils? People are bad ... to the core ... no mettlin allowed! --- Isolationist theory ...

 

[revjohn]

A no-win situation for the nominee

It was a can't lose situation for the nominee. A Republican Presidential pick for the Supreme Court with the Senate and the House controlled by the Republican Party. He has the votes. That is all that he would need to secure the nomination.

if he shows emotions he's out of there

Again, the Republicans control the vote everywhere that matters. What he needed to show was that he is in control of his own emotions. He failed to demonstrate that. He needed to demonstrate that he is impartial (since that is a requirement of the judicatory) in floating the Clinton Conspiracy he failed to do just that.

I can't believe you people don't see through right through the

dems.

You people.

There is the giveaway.

You have failed to consider that after all of the years interacting that we are a "we" at WonderCafe.ca and Wondercafe2. In all the years we have personally interacted I am now one of "them" rather than who I have always been.

And all it takes to get back to this place is the belief that all of "us people" are blind whereas you see with crystal clarity.

And before Ford that was exactly what the Democrats did to

him they form the questions in such a way that Kavanaugh whether he answered them or not he was not fit for the job it was a no-win situation for him it's a political move.

Pay attention because you seem to not understand what a no-win situation is.

A no-win situation is when the nominee doesn't have the votes to support his nomination. Kavanaugh was never in that situation, in fact we knew before Ford's testimony that there were several Republicans who didn't care what it was that she had to say they were voting to confirm.

The Republicans have the majority of votes. Kavanaugh was a can't fail nomination. There was little to no doubt that Kavanaugh wasn't going to be nominated.

If he answered the questions

that were put before him they can claim he was bias, but the Democrats through that well he's supposed to remain neutral so then they can claim he didn't answer the questions either way it was going to be a no for Kavanaugh total sham complete and utter Sham .

There was no question asked which forced him to float the ridiculous Clinton Conspiracy theory. Absolutely none. He concocted that falsehood and floated it himself. That demonstrates a very deeply held bias and should have been enough to scuttle the nomination if what was being sought was a truly impartial judge.

Impartiality was not wanted by the Republicans. Particularly the President who brought the nomination forward.

Well that didn't work so exploit fords accusations leaked the letter try him in the media and crucify him

As a Christian I am somewhat shocked to hear you belittle and demean the reality of crucifixion. Nothing, I repeat nothing, that Kavanaugh went through remotely resembles a crucifixion. You disappoint me by playing such a nakedly emotional manipulation as that.

Quite happy now to be thought of as one of the "You people" rather than one of your own people if that is what I would have to tolerate and resort to.

The dems are evil

The dems, like the republicans, are human. As such they are sinful. This nomination process was not a battle between light and dark with justice being served in the end. It was a battle between two equally human non-Christian agendas. Christ and his Kingdom were not served by it.

To suggest that only one political party was playing a political game is to utter a half-truth. Both sides, both political parties are playing political games and the politics of left and right are both, in the grand scheme of things the politics from below and not the politics from above.