Thirst-gry?

[unsafe]

jimkenney12 -----you said -----In the Gospel ofJohn, Jesus tells his disciples that he has other sheep folds which they do not know about. If these words are about the Christ present for on the beginning of creation, those sheep folds could include other religions

I say --NO -I don't believe God is thinking about any Religions when He talks about this in John !0 -----he is talking sheep not religion ------- this is all about the coming Salvation and how to receive it ---there is no Religion involved in salvation ----it is a personal individual choice ----to be a true sheep or remain a goat -----there is a right and wrong choice gate here ----

And again we take scripture out of Context and try to manipulate it to say what We Want it to say ----- cause we don't like to acknowledge or Preach the Truth ---we would rather be the thief in the night and not care where others end up eternally --just preach or teach our own worldly stuff ----and God will look after the rest -----not a safe bet in my opinion -----

I say ------This is what the scripture says -----If you read and understand the Spiritual meaning ---it is actually talking about how you need to enter the right gate to enter the Sheep pen ------and it says that anyone who tries to climb in by another way they are a thief and a robber -----Jesus is the gate keeper and only He opens the gate for all the sheep who want to enter ---

Jesus is the one speaking here ------John 10 -CSB-----read all
The Good Shepherd

Bible Gateway passage: John 10 - Christian Standard Bible

The Good Shepherd - “Truly I tell you, anyone who doesn’t enter the sheep pen by the gate but climbs in some other way is a thief and a robber. The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep. The gatekeeper opens it for him, and the sheep hear his voice. He calls his own sheep by...

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10 “Truly I tell you, anyone who doesn’t enter the sheep pen by the gate but climbs in some other way is a thief and a robber.

2 The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep.

3 The gatekeeper opens it for him, and the sheep hear his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.

4 When he has brought all his own outside, he goes ahead of them. The sheep follow him because they know his voice.

5 They will never follow a stranger; instead they will run away from him, because they don’t know the voice of strangers.”

6 Jesus gave them this figure of speech, but they did not understand what he was telling them.
7 Jesus said again, “Truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep.

8 All who came before me[a] are thieves and robbers, but the sheep didn’t listen to them.

9 I am the gate. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will come in and go out and find pasture.

10 A thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I have come so that they may have life and have it in abundance.

I say ---------Now ---in order to understand verse 16 ---you have to have the verses before 16


14 “I am the good shepherd. I know my own, and my own know me,

15 just as the Father knows me, and I know the Father. I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 But I have other sheep that are not from this sheep pen; I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. Then there will be one flock, one shepherd.


I say -------so who are the sheep already in the sheep pen -----God's chosen Jewish Nation ----

Who are the sheep not yet in the sheep pen but who will be grafted in -----The Gentile Nation --

Judaism and all other Religions are man's creation not God's ------Your Religion will not get the right gate open to enter the right sheep pen ----so don't be fooled folks ---follow and trust the Word ----not human Religions ----Remember ----the Word became Flesh ---Jesus is the word ---

-just saying

 

[GordW]

The Snickers ads are genius because it is a phenomenon that many have experienced when they are hungry. I don't think it translates to thirst precisely. I think thirst reveals yearning. In the moment it is not something specific so much as it is a universal wetness. In extreme circumstances that desire to have our thirst quenched can lead to very questionable decisions.

And of course who we are when we are hangry is who we are. It is who we are when our needs aren't catered to. It is who we are when we are not at our best. It is who we are warts expose.

Our thirst points us to something other because as thirsty as we are we know that the only real solution is to find a drink that satisfies. Being thirsty likely doesn't make us hangry so much as it makes us desperate.

I agree the word play in the title would have worked better last week witht he Manna/Quails story. And originally I was going simply with "Thirsty" but decided to play a bit. But I think that desperation often has a similar effect in our behviour. It gets down to needs that are not being met. SO certainly one of the questions I will sk is what are we thirsting for.

 

[Redbaron]

There is a tradition in Jewish legend that the rock Moses struck somehow followed the Israelites through the rest of their wilderness wanderings (I'm trying to remember where I read that). This might be what Paul refers to in 1 Corinthians, ch. 10. Maybe there's a symbol in there somewhere-- that God, who provided for their needs in one spot, is still following them.

 

[Redbaron]

jimkenney12 -----you said -----In the Gospel ofJohn, Jesus tells his disciples that he has other sheep folds which they do not know about. If these words are about the Christ present for on the beginning of creation, those sheep folds could include other religions

I say --NO -I don't believe God is thinking about any Religions when He talks about this in John !0 -----he is talking sheep not religion ------- this is all about the coming Salvation and how to receive it ---there is no Religion involved in salvation ----it is a personal individual choice ----to be a true sheep or remain a goat -----there is a right and wrong choice gate here ----

Just as a sidebar, I'll just mention that this passage is more about the sheepfold and the shepherd, and not about the sheep (except for the sheep in other folds). There is mention of 'My sheep hear my voice' in this chapter, but not so much about personal choice. Nor are there any mentions whatsoever about goats. Once again you are reading into the passage something YOU want it to mean, rather than searching out what the passage is trying to say. Jimkenney12 is likely much closer to the original meaning of the text than whatever it is you are going on about here.

 

[Mendalla]

There is a tradition in Jewish legend that the rock Moses struck somehow followed the Israelites through the rest of their wilderness wanderings

I hate to say it, but there is a Monty Python sketch in here somewhere.

Maybe there's a symbol in there somewhere-- that God, who provided for their needs in one spot, is still following them.

The God of rock and roll, eh.

 

[Redbaron]

Isn't that Eric Clapton?

 

[Mendalla]

Isn't that Eric Clapton?

I would join his church happily. Rock and blues guitar for every anthem and hymn.

 

[unsafe]

Redbaron -----you said ----Nor are there any mentions whatsoever about goats. but not so much about personal choice.

LOL Redbaron -----I never said the scripture mentioned goats or personal choice in this passage of John 10 ---so you are reading into What i said ---what you want and your twisting it to suit your need ---- ----nice try but no cigar

If you want to think like jimkenney12 thinks --that the passage is saying that other Religions might well be accepted by Jesus and it will get you into Heaven --LOL --you and jimkenney12 go ahead with that thought and Good Luck with it ----but that is definitely not what this passage is saying ---


This is MY QUOTE from above -----I say --NO -I don't believe God is thinking about any Religions when He talks about this in John !0 -----he is talking sheep not religion ------- this is all about the coming Salvation and how to receive it ---there is no Religion involved in salvation ----it is a personal individual choice ----to be a true sheep or remain a goat -----there is a right and wrong choice gate here ----

What I say here above ----and will repeat here ---Is the Truth -----
there is no Religion involved in salvation ----it is a personal individual choice ----to be a true sheep or remain a goat -----

 

[Redbaron]

Your repeating it till you're blue in the face isn't going to make it come true.

GordW, I'd be interested in reading this finished product when it's done. It'd be interesting to see how it works out.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Me, too. An interesting fact about "my take" on any one bible passage. Well, I've been a member of the same church following the same 3-year lectionary for 20 some years, and often a member of a bible study of some sort or another during those years.

What DELIGHTS me, is watching my (and others) spirituality/kin-dom ideas evolve over the years, so that I/we notice different things about different passages every time. At the moment, we're having a lot of fun on Wednesday mornings comparing the NSRV, the Inclusive Bible and The Message, using our three lectio divina questions. I add commentary from "The Five Gospels" sometimes, as well. It's actually a very elegant and concise translation if you haven't read it.

Holding "opposing ideas/thoughts" in my head is my idea of entertainment.

I view life as a predicament (a continua of problems, the solutions to which always contradict each other), rather than a simple problem to be solved. I am very comfortable with contradiction.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Gord, I would say that, as a person, I am hungry and thirsty for "soul-filling" experiences. I suspect it's a common phenom that's been buried in consumerism and "right-thinking" directives.

 

[Luce NDs]

Does right thinking get seized up in group-think related to conservatism that has stopped learning about eternal unknowns ... out there under the Midnight Skye ... leads some to wonder in dispersal modes ... therefore gone?

Imagine Irish Rogues ... unravelling as rovers ...

 

[unsafe]

Redbaron ----you said ----Your repeating it till you're blue in the face isn't going to make it come true.

You Wish ----lol

The Truth is ---We have Free Will to choose Salvation or Not till we are blue all over -lol

Which gate should I choose ---the sheep gate--or the goat gate ----?

 

[Redbaron]

You know, if you spent as much time and effort in addressing the actual topic of the thread, as you do in critiquing everyone else's reading and interpretation of the Bible, you might be a lot better off. Self-righteous arrogance isn't a good look for anyone.

BttetheRed, I think you could be on to something. The need isn't always physical.

 

[unsafe]

Redbaron -----you said -----if you spent as much time and effort in addressing the actual topic of the thread---

Redbaron ----you said --Isn't that Eric Clapton?

I say ----and this is on topic ????????? ----LOL ---you should maybe take your own advice -----about staying on topic ----and to talk about critiquing -----well you do much critiquing on my posts ---so I say it is the pot calling the kettle black --LOL

I say -----
You know ---if The Truth of the Word was posted instead of twisting it to suit one's own belief ---many who don't post but do read what is posted would be getting the truth instead of lies -------

I happen to care where people end up in their eternal home ---many don't ---and that to me is as arrogant and self diluted as one can get -----

NOTE : My post for the thread topic is on page 1 Post #2 and I did put much time and effort into it --------just to clarify that I did post on thread topic -

 

[Redbaron]

By my count you have posted some 13 or 14 times on this thread. Of those 13 or 14 times you have addressed the thread topic ONCE. And even them one of the first things you said was a very disrespectful LOL. Everything else you posted here was essentially criticizing anything anyone else posted. Not a very admirable track record.

But let's get this puppy back in its own yard. What is YOUR soul thirsty for?

 

[unsafe]

Redbaron ----you said ----. What is YOUR soul thirsty for?

I say-- LOL --better count on this page how many times you have criticised me on this page ---

You are showing how much you are a hypocrite --you keep telling me what I should and shouldn't do and you do the same thing that you tell me I shouldn't be doing ------ totally Hypocritical ----


Now ---to answer your question ------

First of all ---we need to know what makes up the soul so we know what we need to quench thirst for the soul -----Many believe the spirit and soul are the same ----no so ---the soul is our mind --will and emotions -----

Hebrew word for soul
Strong's Concordance
nephesh: a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion


So to answer your question I have to give 2 answers -----as there are 2 ways to quench the thirst of the soul ---there is the physical and the spiritual -----when we are in this world our soul thirsts to satisfy our selfish needs ---our desires that the world can give us -----our Sin Nature rules the thirst of the soul ---In the Spiritual God rules the thirst of our soul ------

I was once of this world ---so what my soul thirsted for was just like what everyone else who belongs to this world thirsts for ----the scripture says it best ----- ---read the chapter if you wish _I am just posting these verses ----

Galatians 5 ESV

Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 5 - English Standard Version

Christ Has Set Us Free - For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is...

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17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21 envy,[a] drunkenness, orgies, and things like these.

i say
Now ---I am in this world but i am not of this world anymore -----So my soul thirsts not for the worldly fleshy desires ---but to walk by the Spirit and mature in my Faith and walk with God and call on and rely on God's Grace to help me stay away from missing the mark as much as possible ---and not to grieve the Holy spirit ----

Galatians 5 ESV
Keep in Step with the Spirit
16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do.

I say ----We can't serve the desires of the flesh and the desires of the spirit ----we must choose who we want to serve ----God or this world ---the 2 oppose each other --as the scripture indicates above -----

 

[Redbaron]

Whatevs.

 

[BetteTheRed]

fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions,

Oh, dear, and you are a participant in none of those particular works of the flesh?

You are very fond of putting yourself and your opinions above those of others. You may wish to reconsider some of your own positions towards your neighbours, respectfully.

 

[BetteTheRed]

And here's a good question. We've been talking about the difference between hunger and thirst, and playing with the old concept of "Hangry" - hungry/angry.

Hunger is a pretty blunt weapon. You know when you're really hungry.

Thirst is more subtle. They say that by the time you feel thirsty, you're actually de-hydrated.

Is there some reason that Moses has them get hungry before thirsty? Isn't that counter-intuitive?