The women divide the plunder ?

[Mendalla]

With that also being true of peace. It appeals to many of us men as much as to women. I am about as anti-war as it gets even after a somewhat stereotypical "male" childhood of toy soldiers and war games.

 

[Ritafee]

What if one can already see that the seeds are for a poisonous fruit?

This brings us back to the pouring out of the spirit in the last days causing sons & daughters to prophesy ...

What does that even mean? I think the opposite of prophecy would be criticize. We are all fluent in criticizing. It does not take any anointing to criticize.

Prophecy is to declare not only the problem but the solution. We all know already how much division there is between the sexes and the races and the classes. To be a prophet you have to denounce all division. The spirit of prophecy is for all people - men and women alike. A prophetic generation has to do a new thing ... not remake the old thing with a new label. We have to get rid of the distractions of the labels.

We have to focus on where we want to go not where we have been. The enemy attacks according to the past because the enemy is afraid of your destiny in the future if you refuse to conform to the worldview of division.

Jesus was known for what he was for - more than for what he was against. He acted as he taught - practiced what he preached. He died rather than complied. Jesus is the example - even if it was just a 'fairy tale' - it does not detract from the moral of the story - if we all followed the way of Jesus - the 'enemy' would become the friend sooner than later.

 

[Ritafee]

With that also being true of peace. It appeals to many of us men as much as to women. I am about as anti-war as it gets even after a somewhat stereotypical "male" childhood of toy soldiers and war games.

How does one reconcile being anti-war and appeal to peace with excusing war profiteering - the buying and selling and manufacturing of the machinery for war. As necessary to 'gainful' employment?

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Though it is more men who actually do the fighting and who actually engage in acts of violence, war itself would be impossible without the collusion of an entire society. In this nuclear age it may be too dangerous to continue to uncritically accept the naive belief that war is an institution which appeals only to men and not to women.

Currently it is still a small group of male leaders who are holding us hostage to such games, started such "games" decades ago, and who have most influence in the arms race - including manufacturing and distribution.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Though it is more men who actually do the fighting and who actually engage in acts of violence, war itself would be impossible without the collusion of an entire society. In this nuclear age it may be too dangerous to continue to uncritically accept the naive belief that war is an institution which appeals only to men and not to women.

It could be mainly women (and a changing of the old guard) who call an end to the arms race, and begin the work of scaling it back. And hopefully lots of men on their side, who would like to join that effort, too.

We are already at the beginning of a new era of leadership where the balance is evening out, and more women are interested - in doing things differently.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

With that also being true of peace. It appeals to many of us men as much as to women. I am about as anti-war as it gets even after a somewhat stereotypical "male" childhood of toy soldiers and war games.

I realize that. But you understand the role - past and continuing - of patriarchy, right? You can't account for every individual in the history of men, or women, but we also can't ignore that there was and is an overarching, engrained, systemic male dominated establishment to consider. Men can - people of all genders but I think the key is more and more men allies who abandon the old establishment - and I hope increasingly will, call out and change the patriarchal establishment, too.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Acknowledge the existence of and abandon the old patriarchal establishment, that is.

We can't change it if we don't collectively agree there's a problem.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Women are leading efforts for things such as prison reform - more rehabilitation and humane policies to reduce recidivism rates.

Also, leading with environmental policies.

Women could be the main catalysts for peacemaking - if we could just acknowledge these historical truths and move forward together.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Prison Abolition is the Feminist Issue We Need to Talk About - The Radical Notion

@Ritafee

 

[Luce NDs]

Rough and tough guys like wars. And when people vote for the rough and tough guys they support their wars...then to turn around and call those signs of the end times and God’s plan, and pray for intervention...that doesn’t make sense. Nobody needs the thoughts and prayers by that point. They need people willing to change course and risk peace.

Whos said irrationality was a reason to be?

 

[Luce NDs]

not sure why you post as such, the Greatest Gift this world has ever seen came by a WOMAN, who God uses , so much in Fact that God elevated her overall!

yes Kimmio, she was a woman

Then why all the fallout?

 

[Mendalla]

How does one reconcile being anti-war and appeal to peace with excusing war profiteering - the buying and selling and manufacturing of the machinery for war. As necessary to 'gainful' employment?

If you're referring to my comments on General Dynamics, I have never "excused" it. I would prefer we not have an arms industry at all. I am, however, however suggesting that if the government forces an end to the contract, which is something I would support, the government has a responsibility to help any workers displaced beyond simply pogey. It is not as simple as slapping a retroactive boycott on the Saudis and walking away feeling good about it. The workers took legal jobs in good faith and should not be punished for it. IOW, there needs to be a plan, not just a knee jerk response. All of which could have been avoided if a ban on arms exports to the Saudis had been imposed years ago as it should have been. That way, the contract would never have been signed.

 

[Ritafee]

The sad fact is enormous profits flow to a few from warfare. Welcome to the Canadian military.

Ottawa’s incestuous world of pro-military lobbying

How do you feel about taxpayer-funded organizations using your tax dollars to lobby elected politicians for more of your tax dollars?

In a system where money talks, militarists on Parliament Hill will always be among the loudest voices.

To rise above their din, we need to figure out ways to amplify the sound of the millions of Canadians who prefer peace.

 

[Luce NDs]

Serenity will come when we all of common irk amount to nothing!

 

[Ritafee]

IOW, there needs to be a plan, not just a knee jerk response.

There is a plan ... Canada as a global exploiter in it's own right ...
‘Progressive’ Trudeau Government Attacks Venezuela - The Bullet

• Despite the progressive pretensions of the Liberal Government in Ottawa and the ill deserved reputation that Canada has for ‘peacekeeping’ and for being a moderating influence in international affairs, the present course under Trudeau and Freeland is quite consistent with the Country’s role as the other G7 power in North America, a global exploiter in its own right.

It could be mainly women (and a changing of the old guard) who call an end to the arms race, and begin the work of scaling it back. And hopefully lots of men on their side, who would like to join that effort, too.

We are already at the beginning of a new era of leadership where the balance is evening out, and more women are interested - in doing things differently.

• ... witness the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Chrystia Freeland, assembling a collection of regional representatives of the Washington Consensus in Ottawa, on February 4, to further the coup plot against Venezuela. The so called Lima Group that she brought together dutifully issued a statement calling for the "national armed forces of Venezuela to demonstrate their loyalty to the interim president in his constitutional functions as their commander in chief."

 

[Mendalla]

There is a plan ... Canada as a global exploiter in it's own right ...

Which is not the plan that I had in mind. However, I don't vote for the right parties so my political influence is a bit non-existent in any case. Can't not vote for someone you weren't voting for in the first place.

 

[Ritafee]

Canadian Council of Churches urges Ottawa to support nuclear ban treaty

Prison Abolition is the Feminist Issue We Need to Talk About - The Radical Notion

@Ritafee

• Transformative justice uses the power unleashed by the harm of a crime to let those most affected find truly creative, healing solutions. Transformative justice includes victims, offenders, their families, and their communities, and invites them to use the past to dream and create a better future. - Ruth Morris Stories of Transformative Justice.

This is a story Morris read in a Canadian newspaper .... sounds almost biblical:

It is about a family with a six-year-old boy. This boy is charming, loving, adored by his parents and his teacher. Then, one day he leaves a little late from school. He is crossing the cross-walk by himself, and a car comes racing around the corner. Either the driver doesn’t see him there, or he can’t stop in time. He hits and kills the six-year-old, leaving his parents childless.

Obviously the parents are crushed. And angry. Angry at God, and fate, and the idiot 16-year-old kid who thoughtlessly drove well over the speed limit past an elementary school.

As Morris tells it, that night the father is absolutely beside himself with grief and anger, and doesn’t know what to do. And then something clicks. One life is over: his little boy will never come back. But now another life stands to be lost as well.

The man goes to his wife and tells her what he wants to do. There isn’t anything they can do for their son now, but maybe there is something they can do for the sixteen-year-old who killed him. And his wife agrees.

The couple petitions the court to drop the charges against the young man. He is grateful, and incredibly remorseful. But they don’t stop there. They also give him a part-time job at the man’s business, and eventually help pay his way through college. He becomes a regular fixture at holidays, a member of their family.

It is an incredible thing to imagine offering emotional and economic support to the person who killed your son, but it is also clear that what everyone gained from that situation far outstrips what anyone would’ve have gotten from a prison sentence.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Abolishing patriarchy is about changing the way the world operates, not about abandoning men.

 

[Jaebius]

Abolishing patriarchy is about changing the way the world operates, not about abandoning men.

The world should operate in the way that God originally set it to operate. It is because of the fall of humanity that there exists strife between the sexes.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

If you're referring to my comments on General Dynamics, I have never "excused" it. I would prefer we not have an arms industry at all. I am, however, however suggesting that if the government forces an end to the contract, which is something I would support, the government has a responsibility to help any workers displaced beyond simply pogey. It is not as simple as slapping a retroactive boycott on the Saudis and walking away feeling good about it. The workers took legal jobs in good faith and should not be punished for it. IOW, there needs to be a plan, not just a knee jerk response. All of which could have been avoided if a ban on arms exports to the Saudis had been imposed years ago as it should have been. That way, the contract would never have been signed.

I'm not sure how people can build tanks in good faith. However, they are legal jobs. Too bad there can't be a quick transition to building something helpful and non-violent, and job openings for them to put their skills to use on that.