The Revelation to John

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Quote from above post ------- ☆ Pastors are to preach the Word as it's written,

unsafe says -----
Amen to that saying ---to bad it is not adhered to ----- Some Preachers out there today either water down the word or sugar coat it so it doesn't offend ----or they twist the word to suit their own agenda ----or they just simply preach their own doctrine and forget what the Bible says altogether -------We Humans are a fearful Lot in preaching the Truth as it is Written ------and we are putting people's eternal lives at risk -----




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Thus omissions when we get struck in one book when that singular tome suggests there are more than we can imagine ... scratch creation! Ithchii ...
 
Thoughts on Revelation 2:18-29...

This pastoral letter shows conditions in Thyatira.

This letter opens, "And to the Thyatiran church's angel write, 'These things says God's Son, that has fiery eyes, and burnished bronze feet.'" Jesus is a Judge.

Jesus commends, "I know your works, love, faith, service, endurance and last works more than the first." That's praise for a missional church and speaks for the zeal of Lydia, who founded this church.

Thyatira's church was noted for its diligence. They endured amidst the persecutions which were instigated on the foes' part. They're given the testimony that they'd progressed in missional works.

Simultaneously, conditions existed that Jesus hated, "I've against you that you let that Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and seduces my servants to fornication and to eat meats sacrificed to idols: and I've given her time that she should repent, and she hasn't."

In the OT there'd been a Jezebel who'd seduced Israel's children to idolatry, to Baal's service with its cult, to abominations and deeds.

So the name Jezebel was apt for the false prophetess, who was telling missionaries they should overcome desires by yielding to satiety, and that they should join in abominations in order to pain influence over them.

The result was that missionaries had been seduced to idolatry and vices. They'd been plunged into an abyss, where abominations were done with the plea that this was mission in an advanced state.

The church let the prophetess persist in her course and hate God's forbearance. Knowing the filth which was amid it, the church had done nothing to remove the blot.

So Jesus threatens, "I'll make her ill and her followers miserable if they don't repent; and I'll kill her children. Churches will know that I'm the Judge, and I'll give to you according to your works."

☆ In this threat's midst, Jesus holds out amnesty to the shameful if they repent. ☆

The prophetess' shame was to be visited also upon her children, whom Jesus threatened to kill.

By this one example of wrath Jesus issued a warning to churches to time's end, to show that no shame's hidden before him, and that he'll punish the shameful. No one can escape Jesus.
 
Thoughts on Revelation 2:18-29...

This pastoral letter shows conditions in Thyatira.

This letter opens, "And to the Thyatiran church's angel write, 'These things says God's Son, that has fiery eyes, and burnished bronze feet.'" Jesus is a Judge.

Jesus commends, "I know your works, love, faith, service, endurance and last works more than the first." That's praise for a missional church and speaks for the zeal of Lydia, who founded this church.

Thyatira's church was noted for its diligence. They endured amidst the persecutions which were instigated on the foes' part. They're given the testimony that they'd progressed in missional works.

Simultaneously, conditions existed that Jesus hated, "I've against you that you let that Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and seduces my servants to fornication and to eat meats sacrificed to idols: and I've given her time that she should repent, and she hasn't."

In the OT there'd been a Jezebel who'd seduced Israel's children to idolatry, to Baal's service with its cult, to abominations and deeds.

So the name Jezebel was apt for the false prophetess, who was telling missionaries they should overcome desires by yielding to satiety, and that they should join in abominations in order to pain influence over them.

The result was that missionaries had been seduced to idolatry and vices. They'd been plunged into an abyss, where abominations were done with the plea that this was mission in an advanced state.

The church let the prophetess persist in her course and hate God's forbearance. Knowing the filth which was amid it, the church had done nothing to remove the blot.

So Jesus threatens, "I'll make her ill and her followers miserable if they don't repent; and I'll kill her children. Churches will know that I'm the Judge, and I'll give to you according to your works."

☆ In this threat's midst, Jesus holds out amnesty to the shameful if they repent. ☆

The prophetess' shame was to be visited also upon her children, whom Jesus threatened to kill.

By this one example of wrath Jesus issued a warning to churches to time's end, to show that no shame's hidden before him, and that he'll punish the shameful. No one can escape Jesus.
Geez Louise what a horrid story!
 
Thoughts on Revelation 2:18-29...

This pastoral letter shows conditions in Thyatira.

This letter opens, "And to the Thyatiran church's angel write, 'These things says God's Son, that has fiery eyes, and burnished bronze feet.'" Jesus is a Judge.

Jesus commends, "I know your works, love, faith, service, endurance and last works more than the first." That's praise for a missional church and speaks for the zeal of Lydia, who founded this church.

Thyatira's church was noted for its diligence. They endured amidst the persecutions which were instigated on the foes' part. They're given the testimony that they'd progressed in missional works.

Simultaneously, conditions existed that Jesus hated, "I've against you that you let that Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and seduces my servants to fornication and to eat meats sacrificed to idols: and I've given her time that she should repent, and she hasn't."

In the OT there'd been a Jezebel who'd seduced Israel's children to idolatry, to Baal's service with its cult, to abominations and deeds.

So the name Jezebel was apt for the false prophetess, who was telling missionaries they should overcome desires by yielding to satiety, and that they should join in abominations in order to pain influence over them.

The result was that missionaries had been seduced to idolatry and vices. They'd been plunged into an abyss, where abominations were done with the plea that this was mission in an advanced state.

The church let the prophetess persist in her course and hate God's forbearance. Knowing the filth which was amid it, the church had done nothing to remove the blot.

So Jesus threatens, "I'll make her ill and her followers miserable if they don't repent; and I'll kill her children. Churches will know that I'm the Judge, and I'll give to you according to your works."

☆ In this threat's midst, Jesus holds out amnesty to the shameful if they repent. ☆

The prophetess' shame was to be visited also upon her children, whom Jesus threatened to kill.

By this one example of wrath Jesus issued a warning to churches to time's end, to show that no shame's hidden before him, and that he'll punish the shameful. No one can escape Jesus.
Your Jesus sounds worse than your Satan.
 
The image of Jesus as Judge is one we often don't like to look at. Most of us would rather just view him as ever gentle meek and mild. However, the Bible makes clear that Jesus will judge us all.
 
Thoughts on Revelation 3:1-6...

Jesus opens, "And to the Sardian church's angel write, 'These things says he that has God's Spirit and the stars.'" This church's pastor would have to give an account of the conditions in the parish entrusted to him.

Jesus emphasizes the fact that God's Spirit's his, that the Spirit's gifts come by Christ's work. Jesus also has the stars, the ministers, in his hand. As his Church's Lord, he demands that his ministers give an account to him.

Jesus' first word's reprimand, "You're dead." In this church, Jesus found only death. Before people the church still had the reputation, of being alive. Jesus saw the state, and he sets it down in two words, "You're dead."

☆ It's the number of those that believe in Jesus and give evidence of this faith in their life that makes a church. ☆

So Jesus utters, "Strengthen the rest that's on dying's point." Jesus' addresses himself to the few who are responsible for the church's state along with the rest. They should return to vigilance and forget mere formalism.

The way of showing that they had rubbed the sleep out of their eyes consisted in their rallying the rest, the others that were on coma's point.

For this conduct they'd every reason, "I've found none of your works perfect before God." Their worship lacked that element which would make them perfect. The faith was no longer in their midst, and so good works were unknown.

Jesus admonishes, "Remember how you've heard, and hold to that and repent." He reminds them of their first love's days, when they were eager to hear the Gospel. To that zeal, they should return with speed; they should wake up.

Jesus warns, "if now you stay asleep, I'll come upon you a thief." Where repentance won't follow after such a warning, there judgment will come upon those that lie in coma, in the sleep that's death's precursor.

Jesus will come a thief. Terror will precede him, striking shameful persons with fear; and his punishment will bring them destruction.

Again Jesus brings a charge, "You've a few that haven't polluted themselves, and they'll walk with me in white." The worthy missionaries were in God's sight; they were known to him, they were graven upon his hands.

So to these, Jesus wanted to give holiness' clothing assigned to them by virtue of Jesus' work. Thus clothed they should walk with him in God's kingdom, enjoying eternity's joy in his presence.

Jesus concludes, "They that conquer will be clothed in white, and I'll keep their name and confess them before God." Every missionary that conquers will be given blessings as a reward of Jesus' grace.

They'll stand clothed in the Savior's righteousness. Their names won't be erased. And at Judgment Day, they'll be beyond condemnation, for Jesus will confess them as his own before God.
 
The image of Jesus as Judge is one we often don't like to look at. Most of us would rather just view him as ever gentle meek and mild. However, the Bible makes clear that Jesus will judge us all.
When I read through Matthew and Mark for the related threads here on WC2, I noticed how much emphasis these gospels place on end times and final judgement.
 
When I read through Matthew and Mark for the related threads here on WC2, I noticed how much emphasis these gospels place on end times and final judgement.

Yes, you're right, they do paradox3. The Judge aspect of Jesus hasn't been spoken of much in the churches I've attended though. We'd rather just see him as Comforter, Healer and Friend.
 
@Jae There are so many different aspects of Jesus presented in the gospels.

In church yesterday, we had the "Who do you say I am?" text from Matthew. It is a good question, isn't it? Who do we say Jesus is? Which aspects of his ministry do we emphasize?
 
Hi,
The Judge aspect of Jesus hasn't been spoken of much in the churches I've attended though. We'd rather just see him as Comforter, healer and friend.
Jesus is the light of God in our experience. Light reveals what darkness hides. We are free to live in the light by the faith we have as a gift of grace. Living in the light means putting off thoughts and deeds fostered by the dark. Greed and avarice being prime examples in our day, as in days gone by. Dark impulses leading human being in the ten thousand ways of iniquity.

We should be clear on what is intended by saying Jesus is judge? I understand this in terms of clear diagnosis and prescription of remedy in hope of restoration. Some embrace this and others refuse. Jesus welcomes the former and weeps for the latter.


George



 
Hi,
By this one example of wrath Jesus issued a warning to churches to time's end, to show that no shame's hidden before him, and that he'll punish the shameful.
Has me thinking of the woman brought to Jesus and accused of adultery. Jesus saw the woman’s shame and ignored it. His focus was on the gracious opportunity she had for repentance and renewal.

Satan shames persons by the persistent notice of their shortcoming and failures. Not so with Jesus. Jesus encourages the potential for good in persons met along his way. That potential for good rooted in personal faith rather than external religious precept and practice. Religion may be chosen as a way of service. It is not the only option as some persistantly insist.

The Revelation of John is semiotic. It’s substance is metaphorically presented. His primary concern is with the historic patterns of power expressed as religious and political ideology, by which the masses are seduced and exploited. Directly related is the collapse of a global economy. While the material order suffers the onset of chaos, the angels of heavan sing hallelujah.

I am - alpha and omega.

George
 
His primary concern is with the historic patterns of power expressed as religious and political ideology, by which the masses are seduced and exploited. Directly related is the collapse of a global economy. While the material order suffers the onset of chaos, the angels of heavan sing hallelujah.

I am - alpha and omega.

George

You may well be right about this George. This is the first time I've really dug into the book. I'm looking forward to exploring beyond the letters to the churches - which I've heard several sermons about in the past.
 
Thoughts on Revelation 3:7-13...

Jesus addresses the Philadelphian church, "And to the Philadelphian church's angel write, 'These things says the Holy One, he that has David's key. He that opens and shuts and no one will shut and open."

Jesus calls himself the Holy One. Jesus' God's Holy One, free from weakness, God with God from eternity, perfect in holiness. He has David's key; as a David-son according to the flesh, he has established his kingdom here on earth.

This description prepares for Jesus to say, "I know your works; I've given before you a door opened, which no one can close, because you've a little strength, and you've kept my Word, and haven't denied my name."

Jesus' acquainted with the church's circumstances; in their work for God they were being aided by the fact that David's son had opened a door before them, a door through which many might still enter into Jesus' kingdom.

Jesus had given to this church facilities for preaching the faith among outsiders, the chance for extending the Gospel. The reason why Jesus chose this church for this work's indicated by him when he says that they'd a strength.

Without power before people, these missionaries still had might's sources, namely, Jesus' Word, to which they'd clung in spite of enmity; Jesus, whom they'd not denied, in spite of their enemies' attempts, renewed their strength.

It's he who gives power to his Word. A promise regarding the foes, "Lo, I'll make false Jews fall down at your feet." There were deceitful foes who belonged to Satan and who'd been Satan's pupils in persecution.

Jesus intended to save some foes. Foes would come, overcome by the Word, and they'd do homage before the Church, convinced that God was with his Church, and that only he that accepting this love brings joy.

Jesus adds a promise, "Because you've kept my patience, I also will keep you from temptation which's bound to come upon the world." The Gospel teaches how patiently Jesus suffered, how he showed forbearance.

This Word Philadelphia's church had kept. In return Jesus promises to keep them that are his from the last day's temptations, when false missionaries, false prophets and the Antichrist would arise and fight against him.

That hour would be a time of testing the missionaries in distresses. In these trials, Jesus promises to keep his. But, he calls out, "I'm coming; hold what you have, lest someone take your crown."

Through his Word Jesus gains and keeps souls. So the church's told to hold on to to the Gospel. Their crown, salvation's message in which spiritual gifts are jewels, must be held with the power at their command.

Through unfaithfulness this crown's lost. If missionaries let themselves be seduced, then the foes will triumph, then they'ill capture life's crown. These words are to be taken as an admonition through which Jesus strengthens them.

Missionaries are kept by God's power. Jesus states, "They that conquer, I'll make them pillars in God's temple, and God will nevermore go forth, and I'll write upon him God's name, God's city's name and my own new name."

Here steadfastness' reward in the Kingdom's described, as it's given to those who overcome the foes and their flesh. The building of the Church will in New Jerusalem be completed, the missionaries being the pillars, adorned with glory.

God has now become Jesus' God and our God, reconciled to us through his atonement. A name the missionary will then bear, that of God, of New Jerusalem, and of Jesus. Every missionary's God's child; having put on Jesus in Baptism.

The New Jerusalem's name, they bear, to indicate that they've their citizenship above, where there'll be joy. Even in Jesus' new name they'll share.

He's the kings' King and the lords' Lord. Those, so, that confessed Jesus' name unto the end will govern with Jesus world without end. The prize's worth the effort, and we'll do to heed Jesus' call.
 
Thoughts on Revelation 3:14-22...

The final pastoral letter to Asia Minor's churches' to the Laodicean church. The letter's from Jesus by way of a pastor, “To the angel of the Laodicean church, write.'"

Jesus makes himself known, “The Amen, Witness, Creation's Ruler.” These titles highlight Jesus' ability to bring all things to their completion.

Jesus condemns, “I know your deeds, that you're neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you're lukewarm, I'm about to spit you out of my mouth. You don't realize that you're poor."

As an ambivalence-result, Jesus would have nothing to do with them. He would “spit them out,” as the Laodiceans would spit out the lukewarm water that flowed into their city.

With their apathy came a blindness; they claimed to be rich. Spiritually, the Laodiceans were in a pitiful condition, made all the worse in that they couldn't see their need. This was a church filled with hypocrites.

Jesus calls the Laodicean church to repent and tells them to come to him for real riches. Only Jesus can provide an everlasting inheritance, clothe in righteousness and give spiritual vision.

Jesus notes, “Those whom I love I rebuke. So repent. I'm here! I knock at the door. If anyone hears me and opens the door, I'll come in and eat with them, and they with me.” His rebuke's born of love. God disciplines God's elect.

Verse 20's context communicates Jesus' desire for fellowship with his church. Jesus knocks, seeking someone to acknowledge the church’s need. If they'd repent, Jesus would come in and take his place in the church.

Jesus then makes a promise to the Laodicean missionaries, "To them who overcome, I'll give the right to sit with me, just as I overcame and sat down with God. The “overcomer” refers to any missionary.

The Laodicean church had become apathetic. They were letting wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful. Jesus called them to repent and live for him, to choose for themselves whom they'd serve.

Jesus issues the same call to those who say they follow him today. ---
 
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