The Question of Miracles: Evidence, Interpretation, and Paradox.

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Waterfall said:
I could see that happening, do you think 3,000, 000 people are more reliable or would that be explained by mass hysteria?
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An appeal to populace fallacy. 77,284,118 voted for Trump were they right? The amount of people who believe a thing does not make it true. People believed all sorts of things in the past that we know aren't true now. So why would 3,000,000 be any more reliable.
 
Nothing is reliable as real folk cannot get a hands on situation ... so that's out there for those able to deal with the abstract side and wander back and forth in the absolutely difficult ...

Like QE2 declared in the past: "my husband and I are not amused!" Can't we do something to amuse the representatives? Thus considerable mis understanding and other ... because confusion is preferred! Just look out and about ... its hairy ... some say phobic! Ares ... where R was derived from the darker Greek letter gamma ... Xz (chi-Σ) all about us ... as a cig Maw ... glow in the dark. Stuff devised to cover up what we didn't wish to know about initiation!

One lady told me she likes Heat of the Night ... a movie? Entertaining to those that look intuit!
 
Pavlos Maros said:
An appeal to populace fallacy. 77,284,118 voted for Trump were they right? The amount of people who believe a thing does not make it true. People believed all sorts of things in the past that we know aren't true now. So why would 3,000,000 be any more reliable.
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Yes and the pandemic created all sorts of "urgencies", eg. Toilet paper, buying a house, creating vaccines, etc....
We are strange sometimes and sometimes not.
Is tapping into our spiritual nature so bad?
 
Waterfall said:
Yes and the pandemic created all sorts of "urgencies", eg. Toilet paper, buying a house, creating vaccines, etc....
We are strange sometimes and sometimes not.
Is tapping into our spiritual nature so bad?
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No, of course not. Tapping into your spiritual nature can be enriching and provide profound insights. However, letting it solely guide your life can be fraught with danger, as it can lead to overlooking practical realities, becoming overly reliant on subjective experiences, or being vulnerable to misguided influences. Balance is key!
 
Tapping into your spiritual self ... is that an essence or a tincture of the thing reflected in the dark mire?

What's the mire thing made of? The stuff we don't know is astounding ... especially if not questioned ... it can run away with yah! Some call this abstract and swear it doesn't exist in their world ...

So there yah have it even if such belief is hard to grasp, grip, or hang onto as is ontology ... believed by many to be crazy because if affects existence ... and there it was as if not ... kind 've like incarnate!

Few get a peak at it as if passes so quick! Like that discussion in another thread about core virtue ... you have to get beyond it to look back because powerful people do not believe their likes could be so stupid ... so they don't like eM! It remains ... self destructive ...

Thus it appears we've over run ourselves in an overwhelming way than none can explain even if they claim to know God & everything ...

It just lies there unbelievable ... and source of question about ablism ...
 
And still they remain claiming to know everything that is mostly nothing ... open space? How else could the essence move about 'ere ?

Rapturous or cleavage ... divine opening of those gone nutz --- Newton! That's nous ... causes paranoia ...
 
Kathyrn Kuhlman was the most effective faith healer of the 20th century. The highlight of the year I spent in a California seminary was the chance this gave me to attend 2 Kathryn Kuhlman healing rallies in the packed-out Los Angeles Shrine Auditorium, where the Academy Awards wre then held. These meetings began at noon, but you had to go there an hour early to get one of the 9 thousand seats. The atmosphere was electrifying with the brooding presence of the Holy Spirit during these 2h-our miracle services Hear this dear womam testfy to her spectacular creation miracle as she was healed of severe spinal, bone, and rib damage and medically burned out nerves to deaden her constant pain:

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Mystic said:
Kathyrn Kuhlman was the most effective faith healer of the 20th century. The highlight of the year I spent in a California seminary was the chance this gave me to attend 2 Kathryn Kuhlman healing rallies in the packed-out Los Angeles Shrine Auditorium, where the Academy Awards wre then held. These meetings began at noon, but you had to go there an hour early to get one of the 9 thousand seats. The atmosphere was electrifying with the brooding presence of the Holy Spirit during these 2h-our miracle services Hear this dear womam testfy to her spectacular creation miracle as she was healed of severe spinal, bone, and rib damage and medically burned out nerves to deaden her constant pain:

kathryn kuhlman's greatest miracles - Search Videos

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Do you have anything, anything, that goes beyond personal anecdote?
 
Jae said:
Do you have anything, anything, that goes beyond personal anecdote?trGW
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My assumption that you would find the video testimony too threatening to your cessationism to actually watch has proven corr4ect. The point of my post was the spectacularly miraculouis healing that convinced her that her prior belief in cessationism was misguided?
I have provided lengthy medical evidence of Lourdes miracles. What else do you have in mind?
 
Mystic said:
My assumption that you would find the video testimony too threatening to your cessationism to actually watch has proven corr4ect. The point of my post was the spectacularly miraculouis healing that convinced her that her prior belief in cessationism was misguided?
I have provided lengthy medical evidence of Lourdes miracles. What else do you have in mind?
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Never said I didn't watch it. You surely enjoy leaping to conclusions when it comes to other people. Now, as to what else I'd like, undoctored, authentic, one-take, unedited video coverage of limbs growing back would be nice
 
Conclusive evidence ... is there no end to those that claim to have seen it all when they've barely initiated the travel?

Of course you cannot prove nothing ... there's little evidence but the hole in comprehension ... there, pure emotional reactions to the initial Ra/beam 'Ire ...

Be gentle with this moke item ... cloudy?
 
Yet sweat lodges, etc. sauna things ... smiling as ... you are drawn in physically, mentally and emotionally ... sometimes 2 out of 3 ain't bad and it doesn't cost the whole thing? Alas it do because of worry, bother and concerns that reach beyond our comprehension ... bifurcation ... divine ...

Can you image things that far out from those that know it all ... stones ... forming walls to confine and cause brain drain ...

Oh those ... thus 2 side of the co'... one in and one out and these may flip you on your head from time to time ... codas?

These may mark the end of a passage according to definitions ... thus we pass onto the next stage? How many strikes and lashes? Depends on what gets into the ayre ... a beach strewn with shingles ... put your shingle out there ... if you believe you have a thought to share. Recall the masses don't really like intelligence and often do just as they please ... regardless (blind to the surrounding). Dead ringer eh ... can't even do the dish cloth ... as we like the dish dampened ...

Absence is said to do something ... more codas? Unending because of growing experiences ... and the fringe continues to rush away ... ever notice that illusion ... when you're already right upon it? Point determined ... and then the thing vanishes ...

Where do these specks go ... right before my eye ...
 
Mystic said:
Kathyrn Kuhlman was the most effective faith healer of the 20th century. The highlight of the year I spent in a California seminary was the chance this gave me to attend 2 Kathryn Kuhlman healing rallies in the packed-out Los Angeles Shrine Auditorium, where the Academy Awards wre then held. These meetings began at noon, but you had to go there an hour early to get one of the 9 thousand seats. The atmosphere was electrifying with the brooding presence of the Holy Spirit during these 2h-our miracle services Hear this dear womam testfy to her spectacular creation miracle as she was healed of severe spinal, bone, and rib damage and medically burned out nerves to deaden her constant pain:

kathryn kuhlman's greatest miracles - Search Videos

Watch videos instantly on Bing—enjoy direct playback, discover related clips, and dive into trending content all in one place.
www.bing.com www.bing.com
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"Another woman, with a cancerous vertebrae, threw off her brace and followed Kathryn's joyful command to run across the stage. The following day, he reported, her vertebrae collapsed. Four months later, she was dead."

Seriously Mystic/uccprogressive/studmuffin/Berserk, just f*** off. You f***ing windbag of faith healing bulls**t.
 
People do desire to believe the most insane things albeit impossible in the natural laws ... so they lie about natural things on the surface ...

This allows for profound and mysterious lies ... possible reality as seen from the present angle ...

This may fit in with Plato's theories about things beyond ... comprehension! Has anyone encountered that as we float off ?
 
chansen said:

"Another woman, with a cancerous vertebrae, threw off her brace and followed Kathryn's joyful command to run across the stage. The following day, he reported, her vertebrae collapsed. Four months later, she was dead."

Seriously Mystic/uccprogressive/studmuffin/Berserk, just f*** off. You f***ing windbag of faith healing bulls**t.
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What I think often happens at such things as miracle healing services is that prayed for, caught up in the emotionalism of music and support, people feel healed. Then shortly after they leave they find they still need healing. The faith healer has a convenient answer for the person, though, 'The healing coulda' shoulda, woulda' worked. You just didn't have enough faith! Let's try again!' So some people keep going to see the faith healer over and over again, making the healer wealthy
 
chansen said:

"Another woman, with a cancerous vertebrae, threw off her brace and followed Kathryn's joyful command to run across the stage. The following day, he reported, her vertebrae collapsed. Four months later, she was dead."
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Your ill-informed response just shows your lack of integrity in condeming before even nispecting the evidence. If you watched the video, you'd have to eat humble pie because the woman testifying to her medically inexplicable creation miracle experienced her healing decades prior.
Indeed, as I have noted, Kathryn Kuhlman liked to begin her healing meetings with a healing testimony proven by medical records for skeptics to inspect. When miracles occur, the beneficiaries rarely keep silent; and for decades, many have testified to the miraculous healings they experienced in her meetings.
That's why her LA meetings drew people from all over America and Canada. But of course, the many verified miracles are interspersed with some4 who, sadly, succumb to wishful thinking and are subsequently disillusioned. That is to be expected in meetings of 9,000.

Thank God, Catholics had the integrity to set up a secular board of doctors and surgeons at Lourdes to investigate and confirm the lealing miracles there, often taking decades to rule out all natural explanations. Not to mention the many healed who lack the time and money to subject themselves to these exhaustive demanding investigations.
 
Dave was a member of our prayer group and shared this healing testimony with us. He had a painful blood clot that ran from his ankle to his groin area; and doctors warned him not to go out, lest a piece of the clot break away and go to his heart or his brain. But Dave was going stir-crazy at home and decided to take the risk of eating at the restaurant by my apartment.
I recently had lunch at the same restaurant table as Dave and his wife that day. A stranger, Mark, approached his table to ask, "Do you have a serious physical condition that needs prayer?" In fact, Mark had no way of knowing about Dave's serious blood clot. Dave couldn't lie, but hoped Mark would just pray for him quietly so as not to draw too much attention from the other customers who were sitting a few feet away. But Mark embarrassed Dave by praying loudly for his healing. Dave's irritated self-consciousness soon vanished at the thrilling realization that he was completely healed!

That table now feels like a holy shrine to me. As I sat there, I marveled at the risk Mark took in both diagnosing that Dave had a serious health condition and in looking like a fool if nothing happened in response to his loud praying. But God can do amazing things in response to authentic faith that goes way beyond merfe wishful thinking.
 
Mystic said:
Dave was a member of our prayer group and shared this healing testimony with us. He had a painful blood clot that ran from his ankle to his groin area; and doctors warned him not to go out, lest a piece of the clot break away and go to his heart or his brain. But Dave was going stir-crazy at home and decided to take the risk of eating at the restaurant by my apartment.
I recently had lunch at the same restaurant table as Dave and his wife that day. A stranger, Mark, approached his table to ask, "Do you have a serious physical condition that needs prayer?" In fact, Mark had no way of knowing about Dave's serious blood clot. Dave couldn't lie, but hoped Mark would just pray for him quietly so as not to draw too much attention from the other customers who were sitting a few feet away. But Mark embarrassed Dave by praying loudly for his healing. Dave's irritated self-consciousness soon vanished at the thrilling realization that he was completely healed!

That table now feels like a holy shrine to me. As I sat there, I marveled at the risk Mark took in both diagnosing that Dave had a serious health condition and in looking like a fool if nothing happened in response to his loud praying. But God can do amazing things in response to authentic faith that goes way beyond merfe wishful thinking.
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It's a great story
 
Do stories have proper plot, schemes and layout, as conspired, to test a character's ability to unravel virtue hidden in the overt disaster? That's life ... sort of Darwinian to see how thought and word evolves ... the characters an folk are designated unwelcome by the autonomous side ... excess steroid!

The 4 base endogenous materials can upset how things incarnate (appear) ... isn't that well squared away? Out of sight ...
 
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