The Parable of the Talents

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"the “limited good” outlook of ancient Mediterranean cultures, seeking “more” was considered morally wrong.
Too broad a statement. If this was the case, how do you explain the Roman equites? They were the moneyed class in Rome and made money hand over fist through business ventures like shipping, manufacturing, and the slave trade. While they could not hold most offices, they gained influence by bankrolling senators, who were landed aristocrats and often less well-off. Rather like how our billionaires and corporations back political parties. They also gained influence from their management abilities and the distrust that existed between many emperors and the Senate. Emperors often preferred equites for some administrative roles that they could not entrust to senators, even if they had to preserve the fiction that the republic still functioned to some degree and that the senatorial class was the locus of power.

Perhaps what you say is true of some Mediterranean cultures, but you simply cannot make blanket statements about that region. Celtic, Roman, Greek, the various Near Eastern cultures, North Africa were all different, as they are to some degree even today.

Side note:

IMHO, capitalism per se is NOT modern or the source of our problems. Making money from selling your goods and talents has long history in Western (and other) cultures. The problem today is NOT capitalism in and of itself, but the degree to which we have made it the center of our society and allowed it into positions of power. In societies like ancient Rome, ancient China, or medieval Europe, being wealthy did not get you direct power (though you could use it to influence those who had direct power). You generally needed to hold land for that. Once we divorced power from land and made land just another commodity, that opened the door to the modern money = power equation. But it arguably also made for a fairer society since now power was not based on birth or sucking up to the monarch, but on what you actually did.

Modern corporate capitalism (corporatism I like to call it) has broken things to some degree by creating a new aristocracy based on holding economic resources rather than land. But that's not capitalism in a classical sense. You can buy and sell at a profit without creating that kind of system and people did so for centuries. And technically it is possible to join that aristocracy through successfully building your own corporation (cf. Mark Zuckerberg or Elon Musk) rather than relying on a dispensation of land from a monarch, though investments from existing corporate power holders can certainly play that kind of role.
 
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But this parable was offered by a Jew who was thoroughly immersed in that culture. The story reflected the reality of that culture, a reality in which a man could have wealth equal to about 130 years of earnings for an ordinary person along with slaves and able to travel for a year or more. This was not how Jesus portrayed God elsewhere. But Jesus did say elsewhere to observe how society works and learn from it. Be as innocent as doves and cunning as servants. Risk taking pays off. Be prudent about who you trust with important tasks. Give people an opportunity to succeed or fail.
 
This was not how Jesus portrayed God elsewhere.
So what is Jesus teaching in this parable, then? If the Master is not a stand-in for God, then the whole discussion of how this represents how we use our God-given "gifts" kind of falls apart. It is more about using what we have in life wisely (be that money, goods, talent, etc.), without suggesting that God is the source of what we have, which seems like an odd teaching in a religious context. That could just as easily be a humanist teaching. Or is the proper focus on the slave who earned nothing, in which case I am not sure of the meaning now?
 
But this parable was offered by a Jew who was thoroughly immersed in that culture. The story reflected the reality of that culture, a reality in which a man could have wealth equal to about 130 years of earnings for an ordinary person along with slaves and able to travel for a year or more. This was not how Jesus portrayed God elsewhere. But Jesus did say elsewhere to observe how society works and learn from it. Be as innocent as doves and cunning as servants. Risk taking pays off. Be prudent about who you trust with important tasks. Give people an opportunity to succeed or fail.

Reminds me of that old adage about ... from each according to their gifts! Thus the onus is onus as mia culpa ... responsibility for your portion?

Yet in sheer avarice ... few wish to take responsibility for the power ratio they believe is theirs. Isn't that the base of a sad song from the depths?

Then Kris Kristopherson did that thing about Why Me Lord ... as may have imitated Moses, or others feeling unqualified to do Gods unseen work!

Damn ... imagine the profanity! Far to complex for those that rendered Sophia down to almost nothing ... amire point of booty? Thus thoughtss, etc. are out there beyond hard mortal nutz ... until the folly and fall of the night lady! Dear Ahriman of Ahr Est? Where Ester dipped out of the spotlight ... that ephemeral dash ... may resemble animu ... in the far east that's Moe ... being something totally other than in the occidental regione ... ouest 've the garden? That's where it all went down ... complexity in folly ...
 
So what is Jesus teaching in this parable, then? If the Master is not a stand-in for God, then the whole discussion of how this represents how we use our God-given "gifts" kind of falls apart. It is more about using what we have in life wisely (be that money, goods, talent, etc.), without suggesting that God is the source of what we have, which seems like an odd teaching in a religious context. That could just as easily be a humanist teaching. Or is the proper focus on the slave who earned nothing, in which case I am not sure of the meaning now?

Are God given gifts often used to torment the significant others? Seems to be the floating norm ... doesn't seem right somehow!

Then who am I but some ignored peace of chit ... like Jesus splattered over the end wall ... blind Alley? Imagine hitting that in a dash, rush or other imposition ... there are even stranger things you know ... under that dark thing ... unseen ... and then there are things that folk believe they've seen as all-of-it! Still slippery !!!! Happens when on the precipace at the edge of the abyss ... anyl, or anile? Perhaps internecine mess ... if you've cranked someone ... hope you are unrelated as the future may be more interesting as a curiosity! Get out of bored home ... augur well ... grip and hang on ...

Given considerable irrationality in the domain ... you'll never know what comes next ... uncalculatable ... disfigured warp! Harried ... Reverse psychosis ... if you were told to get into it ... you wouldn't

And the other holds true! Chi got around it as head chez ... in the Moe 'n light maybe blue ... bit fuzzy on the edges? Kurdish ...
 
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So what is Jesus teaching in this parable, then? If the Master is not a stand-in for God, then the whole discussion of how this represents how we use our God-given "gifts" kind of falls apart. It is more about using what we have in life wisely (be that money, goods, talent, etc.), without suggesting that God is the source of what we have, which seems like an odd teaching in a religious context. That could just as easily be a humanist teaching. Or is the proper focus on the slave who earned nothing, in which case I am not sure of the meaning now?
I would suggest that this is a parable, not an allegory. Not every detail pairs off to an external frame of references. Maybe the Master is simply a Master, just as maybe a cigar is just a cigar.
 
I would suggest that this is a parable, not an allegory. Not every detail pairs off to an external frame of references. Maybe the Master is simply a Master, just as maybe a cigar is just a cigar.
Seems an odd choice for a throwaway character though. So much possible meaning that people are simply going to try to find meaning in it. It's kind of like Chekhov's gun. If you introduce a gun in the first scene, it should play a role in the story by the end.
 
Maybe the Master is a stand in for Satan? He has immense wealth, slaves, and has business elsewhere. He gets angry at the third servant who never really betrayed him or disobeyed sny direct commands. He reaps where he did not plant.
 
Oh I think the master in the story is meant to be God. I think the gold/ talents which are doubled or buried are not necessarily money.
 
Maybe the Master is a stand in for Satan? He has immense wealth, slaves, and has business elsewhere. He gets angry at the third servant who never really betrayed him or disobeyed sny direct commands. He reaps where he did not plant.
Seems plausible. But how would this interpretation help us to understand the Kingdom of God?

The two parables in Matthew 25 are told for this purpose.
 
I would suggest that this is a parable, not an allegory. Not every detail pairs off to an external frame of references. Maybe the Master is simply a Master, just as maybe a cigar is just a cigar.
Agreed that a parable is told to make a particular point or sometimes several points.

If the master is simply a master, how does this story enlighten us about the kingdom of heaven?
 
Agreed that a parable is told to make a particular point or sometimes several points.

If the master is simply a master, how does this story enlighten us about the kingdom of heaven?
Maybe the master represents oppression and the 3rd slave is showing us the way out? That will possibly lead to Gods kingdom on earth?
 
Maybe the master represents oppression and the 3rd slave is showing us the way out? That will possibly lead to Gods kingdom on earth?
Is the way out to play it safe and take no risks? Or could this be a lesson about valuing what we have and being grateful for it? Not squandering it and not using it for nefarious purposes?

This isn't my favored explanation but it makes some sense. Who can know what Jesus had in mind?
 
Is this parable in the Gospel of Thomas? I was wondering if Jesus said it or if Matthew added it as part of encouraging or pushing members of his community.
 
I say
You need to go back to Matthew 24 and read the last part of it ----as 25 is a continuation of 24 and is to do with Jesus 2nd coming and how we are to stay alert and be diligent in our work to enhance God's kingdom ------

So well we can give all kinds of scenario for this and other Parables ------
which can be fun --I guess -----

There is always a Spiritual truth that is being revealed through the Parables that Jesus tells ------the Disciples ask ---why speak in parables ----

Matthew 13:10-12 Amp Bible​

An Explanation​

10 Then the disciples came to Him and asked, “Why do You speak to the crowds in parables?

11 Jesus replied to them, “To you it has been granted to know the [a]mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted.

12 For whoever has [spiritual wisdom because he is receptive to God’s word], to him more will be given, and he will be richly and abundantly supplied;

but whoever does not have [spiritual wisdom because he has devalued God’s word], even what he has will be taken away from him.


Matthew 24 -----Be Ready for His Coming------then read Matthew 25​

42 “So be alert [give strict attention, be cautious and active in faith], for you do not know which day [whether near or far] your Lord is coming.

45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant whom his master has put in charge of his household to give the others [in the house] their food and supplies at the proper time?

46 Blessed is that [faithful] servant when his master returns and finds him doing so.

47 I assure you and most solemnly say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions.

I say
The 3 Parables in Matthew 25 are about showing us how to be rightly or wrongly prepared for Jesus 2nd Coming to judge the sheep and the goats -----and where each group will end up in their end -----

Faithful Servants gather more to be a Blessing to others ------and end up on the Sheep side bound for heaven -----

Unfaithful Servants hoard and hide what they have out of fear that they may loose it all ----and will have nothing to give back to their Master when He returns --and they end up on the Goat side ------and bound for darkness -------see the scripture below ------verse 30 below

I say ---------So well money is involved here ---it is not really about the money itself ---it is about how Faithful and Diligently we are to work while we are waiting for Jesus to come back and we are to not waste our talents or resources that God has given us----we are to keep our focus on advancing God's kingdom until Christ comes back ------

We own nothing ------everything we have we got because God has given us the ability to have it ---we are just stewarts of what is really God's -


Matthew 25 ---the Parable of the bags of gold

24 “Then the man who had received one bag of gold came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed.

25 So I was afraid and went out and hid your gold in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.’

26 “His master replied, You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed?

27 Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.

28 “‘So take the bag of gold from him and give it to the one who has ten bags.

29 For whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance.

Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them.

30 And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
 
On "Master. I knew you were a harsh man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you did not scatter seed (Matthew 25:24)."

"With the loyal you [God] show yourself loyal; with the blameless you show yourself blameless; with the pure you show yourself pure;
AND WITH THE CROOKED YOU SHOW YOURSELF PERVERSE (Psalm `8:25-26)."

Your spiritual core and unconscious preconceptions of God will shape your experience of God.
A psychological study of 205 high school sophomore boys found a striking correlation between those with low self-esteem and those who experienced God as "cold, distance, and impersonal." their concept of God was a projection of their lack of sense of personal worth.
 
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