The Gospel of Mark

[Jaebius]

Agreed that the gift of speaking in tongues is still in existence. I don't believe I have it, though I have tried to speak in tongues a few times.

 

[paradox3]

I used to work with someone who talked about having a "prayer language". It was a very private thing for her & she had lengthy communications with God using this language. I often wondered if it put her into some sort of a trance or hypnotic state.

 

[Jaebius]

I used to work with someone who talked about having a "prayer language". It was a very private thing for her & she had lengthy communications with God using this language. I often wondered if it put her into some sort of a trance or hypnotic state.

When I've tried using the gift it has been in private prayer.

 

[unsafe]

paradox3 -------your quote ------How do you explain the two different endings to Mark? I am inclined to think the second one is a later add-on. But I know some people believe it got lost or separated from early manuscripts.


unsafe says ------I don't explain it -----I don't worry about it ------It doesn't take away from the real meaning that Jesus was beaten ---flogged ---mocked ---and hung on the Cross and was Resurrected to Save Humanity by taking the Sins of the world upon Himself by shedding His Precious Blood ----- Jesus purchased back what Satan took from God's Creation in the garden and that is the real message that we humans should be focused on -----not if some human added to God's word ------

God says His word is Truth and it is God Inspired and that no human gave any prophecy in His Book ----So that is what I believe ---God knows if the second ending was given by Him or not ---We Humans DON'T ----and by spending time on something we can only speculate on to me is foolish and a wasted of time and is Satan's way of confusing and causing distraction from the real message of the chapter ------

If people spent as much time getting themselves saved and working on Maturing in their Faith and in their growing from a Babe in Christ to a Spiritual man as they do trying to discredit and speculate about the Word they would much better off -----You only Get one change to have life or death in the eternal realm and on one knows when they walk out the door on a day if they will return ---And That is the Real truth ------


God knows if He inspired the verses 9-20 that are in some bibles and not in others and if He didn't then God knows who added to His Word and Believe Me I wouldn't want to be them ---God has given Grave Warnings to anyone who Adds or Subtracts from His Word ---So I worry not about those things ----

I just Believe His Word ---Receive His Word into My Heart -----and ACT on His Word which says it is Alive and Active cause Jesus is the Word and Jesus is Alive and Active today ---So His Word Works People -------


This is My Motto
Right Believing in God's Word Produces Right Receiving in our Hearts -----and Right Receiving of the Word Produces Right Action by Faith which is inbirthed in us by His Word ------Right Action by keeping God's Word in our Hearts Produces Right Results ------Which will always give God the Glory -------this has worded wonderfully for me personally -------and I will carry on with it till my end ------



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[Waterfall]

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Do you suppose this scripture is just talking about the book of revelation not being changed? Many seem to think this applies to all the books of the Bible because it was placed at the end of all the books that were placed together to form the Bible.

 

[unsafe]

Waterfall ----your quote ----- Do you suppose this scripture is just talking about the book of revelation not being changed? Many seem to think this applies to all the books of the Bible because it was placed at the end of all the books that were placed together to form the Bible.

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Deuteronomy 4(ERV)
Moses’ Warning to Obey God’s Laws
4 “Now, Israel, listen to the laws and to the commands that I teach you. Obey them and you will live. Then you can go in and take the land that the Lord, the God of your ancestors, is giving you. 2 You must not add to what I command you. And you must not take anything away. You must obey the commands of the Lord your God that I have given you.


Proverbs 30 (ERV)
Wise Sayings of Agur Son of Jakeh
30 These are the wise sayings of Agur son of Jakeh from Massa. He says, “God, I am tired, so tired. How can I keep going?”

2 I am stupid. I am not as smart as other people are. 3 I have not learned to be wise. I know nothing about the Holy One. 4 Who has ever gone up to heaven and come back down? Who gathered the winds in his hand? Who can gather up all the water in his lap? Who set the limits for the world? What is his name, and what is his son’s name? Do you know?

5 You can trust this: Every word that God speaks is true. God is a safe place for those who go to him. 6 So don’t try to change what God says. If you do, he will punish you and prove that you are a liar.


Galatians 3:15-17 (ERV)
The Law and the Promise
15 Brothers and sisters, let me give you an example from everyday life: Think about an agreement that one person makes with another. After that agreement is made official, no one can stop it or add anything to it, and no one can ignore it.16 God made promises to Abraham and his Descendant The Scripture does not say, “and to your descendants.” That would mean many people. But it says, “and to your Descendant.” That means only one, and that one is Christ. 17 This is what I mean: The agreement that God gave to Abraham was made official long before the law came. The law came 430 years later. So the law could not take away the agreement and change God’s promise.


2 Timothy 3:10-17 (ERV)
Last Instructions
10 But you know all about me. You know what I teach and the way I live. You know my goal in life. You know my faith, my patience, and my love. You know that I never stop trying. 11 You know about my persecutions and my sufferings. You know all the things that happened to me in Antioch, Iconium, and Lystra—the persecution I suffered in those places. But the Lord saved me from all of it.12 Everyone who wants to live showing true devotion to God in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. 13 People who are evil and cheat others will become worse and worse. They will fool others, but they will also be fooling themselves.

14 But you should continue following the teaching you learned. You know it is true, because you know you can trust those who taught you. 15 You have known the Holy Scriptures since you were a child. These Scriptures are able to make you wise. And that wisdom leads to salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

16 All Scripture is given by God. And all Scripture is useful for teaching and for showing people what is wrong in their lives. It is useful for correcting faults and teaching the right way to live. 17 Using the Scriptures, those who serve God will be prepared and will have everything they need to do every good work.


unsafe says ----we see all Scripture not just Revelations is Given by God -----

 

[unsafe]

paradox3 ---your quote ----- I used to work with someone who talked about having a "prayer language". It was a very private thing for her & she had lengthy communications with God using this language. I often wondered if it put her into some sort of a trance or hypnotic state.

unsafe says ----if it does any of these things ---it is definitely not from God -----it is from the dark side ------

 

[paradox3]

unsafe says ------I don't explain it -----I don't worry about it

I have a similar attitude to some of the debates about the actual words uttered by Jesus. Who cares, really, if we believe (as I do) that we are getting the gist or the essence of His sayings & teachings?

 

[Luce NDs]

Agreed that the gift of speaking in tongues is still in existence. I don't believe I have it, though I have tried to speak in tongues a few times.

One must have some grasp of ancient and dead signs ... icons of the Dai of the Dead? Due to toxic err of the past ... many don;t wish you to know thus MS understanding with ethereal exceptions ... in essence! That's beyond physical realism ... distant altruism an ultimate state?

An my experience is we started off in the dark .. as proxemics anon ... close to OBI? That's le aurel!

 

[Jaebius]

One must have some grasp of ancient and dead signs ... icons of the Dai of the Dead? Due to toxic err of the past ... many don;t wish you to know thus MS understanding with ethereal exceptions ... in essence! That's beyond physical realism ... distant altruism an ultimate state?

 

[Luce NDs]

Obviously you are part and parcel of those not understanding the abstract ... the demon in the words lyon there beat down by donkey jaws ... brae 'n ... in essence there must be physical icons for understanding space ... thus lines without or in the sans ... ocred base?

In the beginning a dark formless void ... gravid ... or just something for demoni*shed folks to fall into as the vale of Essene ... temporarily shacked and shaken to the core by poorly understood irrational activities as doings? Oh bother said the Poo ... a Tao ...

 

[Jaebius]

Obviously you are part and parcel of those not understanding the abstract ... the demon in the words lyon there beat down by donkey jaws ... brae 'n ... in essence there must be physical icons for understanding space ... thus lines without or in the sans ... ocred base?

 

[paradox3]

Are we heading for a derailment here?

If anyone has any reflections about this entire thread, I would love to see them.

 

[Luce NDs]

Dark and mysterious things of the ultimate (at distance)!

 

[Jaebius]

Are we heading for a derailment here?

If anyone has any reflections about this entire thread, I would love to see them.

I shared with you many thoughts on Mark 16 and received no response.

 

[Redbaron]

According to most reputable scholars, Mark is the earliest of the four canonical gospels to be written. As has been noted above, much of Mark's content appears also in Matthew and Luke, sometimes with alterations, but still identifiable. I always got the impression that Mark was trying to tell the story of Jesus in one breath... hus favorite word seems to be 'immediately', shows up about 40 times in Mark's gospel.

 

[Luce NDs]

Robert Louis Stevenson presented Mark as an unknown in high fluid states ... that was X as the icon goes ... various in traditional presenting ... prior in Hebrew ... as dark pyre in Greek as gamma essence ... out there ... like feathered bed ... restive? There may be wrinkles in the extent of the great story code ...

 

[paradox3]

I shared with you many thoughts on Mark 16 and received no response.

Okay, I will go take another look at your reflections on Mark 16.

 

[paradox3]

Thoughts on Mark 16...

The Sabbath came to a close, immediately after which the shops were opened to take advantage of trade that might happen along before darkness set in.

The three women that had attended Calvary had, on Friday evening, prepared ointments and spices. They now bought spices, to have everything ready against the morrow, for they planned to go out to the grave and anoint Jesus' body. Here's evidence that there was no idea in the missionaries to steal Jesus' body and allege that he'd risen from the dead.

Early did the women leave the city on the next morning, the festival day when the sheaves were offered to God in the temple, that they arrived at the grave at sunrise.

One fact worried them on the way out to the garden: the matter of the stone that had been rolled before the sepulcher. It'd taken two men to put it into place, and there was no chance of their removing it with their strength.

This was the first thing that the women looked for when they saw the tomb. And that the stone was rolled away scared them into thinking of grave robbers. Mary Magdalene brought this story to the city.

While Mary Magdalene was returning to the city, the other Mary and Salome were surprised inside the tomb by what seemed to them a young man clothed in white.

There were many angels present on this morning. But this angel scared the women. Heaven's reflection shone from him, and humans can't endure that without being scared.

But the angel's message, "Be not terrified!" As at Jesus' birth the angel's first words, "Fear not" so the cry went out at this time.

The heart's leaned toward anxiety, feeling its shame. But there's no longer need of fearing, since salvation lies in the empty grave.

The angel speaks of Jesus by the name which had been given him to heap shame upon him. But Jesus' now the name of which he and his are proud. As Jesus he rose from the dead.

Note the speech, "He's risen, he isn't here; see the place where they laid him." All's exultation which struggles for utterance.

And the news must be spread. They should tell his news to the missionaries, and to Peter who had regretted his shame and who would yet feel Jesus' love.

As Jesus had told them, he was now preparing to go, to precede them into Galilee; for there, he wanted to speak to them.

The angel overwhelmed the women. They fled from the tomb; a rapture had taken hold of them. So was their fear that for the present they said nothing to anyone.

After they'd heard that others had also received revelations independent of their testimony, they no longer were quiet about the things they'd heard at the tomb.

Jesus first appeared to Mary Magdalene, one of the women who'd submissively served him.

Mark here summarizes the events of the 40 days after Jesus' resurrection. He enumerates this appearance as one of many. And he identifies Mary Magdalene as the woman out of whom Jesus had driven seven devils.

No sooner had Mary received this evidence of Jesus' resurrection than she hurried to tell it to missionaries at Jerusalem. They refused to believe her. They didn't yet understand Jesus' prophecies concerning his resurrection, as often as he'd tried to impress this fact upon them. This is more evidence against the theory of Jesus' stolen body.

Mark next gives a summary of the afternoon's events.

In a different form Jesus came to two missionaries on their way to Emmaus, dressed differently than he usually was. Most missionaries believed them not.

That was the situation on Easter Day's evening, in spite of an appearance to Peter and the call of those that were now trusting in his resurrection.

Still later, Jesus appeared while missionaries were dining. At that time he chided them for their refusal to believe, when his resurrection's news had been brought to them by sound witnesses.

For these witnesses' accounts should've filled them with faith as to his resurrection. And here they'd been hiding, showing as much trust in Jesus as many of today's missionaries when they face persecution.

Still, he commissioned them. Going out into all the world, they should preach the Gospel to every creature. It's a limitless command.

The Gospel's the only proclamation that belongs in missionaries' pulpits. Other topics are outside of the pale. Every sermon must serve in building Jesus' Church. For the test's faith in that Gospel and in nothing else.

There are so many cults in the world today with schemes for humanity's amelioration. These are worse than trash when it comes to the question, "What must I do to be saved?"

They that believe and are baptized shall be saved. Faith in Jesus through the Gospel and confirming of the benefits of Jesus' salvation through Baptism, that's the only way to become sure of heaven.

The latter fact, salvation through Baptism, is denied by many. Through this faith and in Baptism God gives salvation, assures us of the certainty of heaven's heritage which is reserved for the elect.

But the question's other side can't be passed over in silence, for Jesus' words are impressive. Where there's no faith in Jesus' salvation, damnation's sure to follow.

Jesus gave his missionaries a serious commission. And he tells them signs will accompany their work: In his name to cast out devils, speak with new languages, handle snakes, drink poison without harm and heal people.

These things took place in Church history. And God's power's as mighty today as ever. There are thousands of miracles being done in his name wherever the Gospel's being proclaimed.

A warning concerning false miracles remains timely even today.

Even if it were possible for a person to perform deeds that had miracles' marks, God's promise isn't there.

The Gospel and the Sacraments are the means by which the Church's to carry forward Jesus' work til time's end.

Hi Jae, This long post contains some of your typical conflation of various gospels. We have already discussed the individual in the tomb who is clearly called a man by the writer of Mark's gospel. You refer to this guy as an angel. There are other examples as well but I am growing weary of pointing them out.

I have no objection to you posting your honest reflections of scripture. You have already explained to me your approach to the bible and your beliefs about it. This is totally fine and I hope you will continue posting your thoughts when we get to Luke.

But if you are hoping to engage myself and others in discussion, you will need to focus on the gospel we are studying.

 

[Luce NDs]

Flagrant .... flagration. Noun. (plural flagrations) (obsolete) A conflagration.

Thus that was steered pyre ... and sparks fly!