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Thanks for providing the links @Jae. I can see how one might make such an interpretation of the texts. Why do you prefer to speak of Jesus as Creator? I have noticed recently that you call the disciples "missionaries" and refer to the Holy Spirit as feminine.

Have I not asked you about a few other things recently? I think these were the questions.

1. How do you arrive at your conclusion about the individual in the tomb when the four gospels give us different details?

2. Why did Jesus need comfort and support on the night before the crucifixion if He was unafraid?
 
paradox3 said:
Thanks for providing the links @Jae. I can see how one might make such an interpretation of the texts. Why do you prefer to speak of Jesus as Creator? I have noticed recently that you call the disciples "missionaries" and refer to the Holy Spirit as feminine.

Have I not asked you about a few other things recently? I think these were the questions.

1. How do you arrive at your conclusion about the individual in the tomb when the four gospels give us different details?

2. Why did Jesus need comfort and support on the night before the crucifixion if He was unafraid?
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Paradox3, I don't exclusively speak of Jesus as the Creator. I do exclusively speak of God as being the Creator and I hold, as I believe the Bible most certainly does, that Jesus is God.

Your other questions you have asked me, and I have answered.
 
Jae said:
What of what I've said do you not understand my position on? I feel I was reasonably clear.
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If you want to converse further, please try answering the two questions I posed above (#1064). I have double checked our earlier comments and I am not interested in rehashing them.
 
paradox3 said:
If you want to converse further, please try answering the two questions I posed above (#1064). I have double checked our earlier comments and I am not interested in rehashing them.
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I feel that I have answered them earlier in this same thread.

Let's move on.
 
GordW said:
John 1:1-4
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In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God? This is the passage you mean? I have never taken it to mean that Jesus is the Creator but I get that one might interpret it that way. If we believe in a triune God it is kind of a moot point, isn't it?
 
John 1:1-4 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through him, and without him not one thing came into being. What has come into being 4 in him was life, and the life was the light of all people.

Footnotes:
  1. John 1:4 Or 3 through him. And without him not one thing came into being that has come into being. 4 In him was life
I always read this as a confession of the pre-existence of the Word that became Christ, rather than Christ as creator. But it could be open to other understandings.
 
Jae said:
I feel that I have answered them earlier in this same thread.

Let's move on.
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Sure. That was my suggestion a few posts ago.

Just so you know, this little exchange has me suspecting you have no answer for those two questions. If you would like to try to convince me otherwise I will listen carefully but I am not getting into which one of us said exactly what when. If you get my drift.
 
paradox3 said:
Sure. That was my suggestion a few posts ago.

Just so you know, this little exchange has me suspecting you have no answer for those two questions. If you would like to try to convince me otherwise I will listen carefully but I am not getting into which one of us said exactly what when. If you get my drift.
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I already gave you my answers paradox3. I feel truly sad for you if you're unable to look earlier on your thread to read them.
 
Jae said:
I already gave you my answers paradox3. I feel truly sad for you if you're unable to look earlier on your thread to read them.
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I did already.

Personally, I would do my best to clarify my point of view if I were in your shoes. But it's your call.
 
paradox3 said:
I did already.

Personally, I would do my best to clarify my point of view if I were in your shoes. But it's your call.
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I feel no need to so clarify. You've shared your view, as have I. You believe Jesus was terrified. I believe rather that he knew what was ahead of him and the violence it involved yet was not terrified. Perhaps you believe as you do to stress the humanity of Jesus. I am confident in his dual nature.
 
Jae said:
I feel no need to so clarify. You've shared your view, as have I. You believe Jesus was terrified. I believe rather that he knew what was ahead of him and the violence it involved yet was not terrified. Perhaps you believe as you do to stress the humanity of Jesus. I am confident in his dual nature.
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True enough, I tend to stress His human nature. But I don't understand why a dual nature would mean He could not experience fear. Or why you want to see Him as unafraid. Why did he need comfort and support if He was not afraid? Was He sad or something else?

We are speculating, of course. The gospel does not mention his emotional state and only tells us the disciples let Him down by falling asleep.
 
Jesus was said to be "fully human". Fear is part of the natural range of human emotions, as much so as sadness, joy, grief, and so on. If we deny him any of that range of emotions, we are effectively stunting his humanity. He must have been capable of fear, even if he was also "fully divine". Him not having fear as part of his emotional range invalidates the idea of him being "fully human" IMHO.
 
Redbaron said:
If he didn't experience fear, or sadness, or anger, he was less than fully human. If he didn't feel these things, he wasn't 'in all points tempted' as we are. Part of being fully human is the feeling of, and dealing with, emotions.
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Mendalla said:
Jesus was said to be "fully human". Fear is part of the natural range of human emotions, as much so as sadness, joy, grief, and so on. If we deny him any of that range of emotions, we are effectively stunting his humanity. He must have been capable of fear, even if he was also "fully divine". Him not having fear as part of his emotional range invalidates the idea of him being "fully human" IMHO.
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Great minds, eh?(y):D
 
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