The Gospel of Mark

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No? You don't read His comments in the garden of Gethsemane that way? His pleas for the disciples to remain awake with Him?

Because people only want company and support when they're terrified? He knew what was facing him and how violent it would be. That doesn't mean he was scared.
 
Then there is the Roger Stone attribute ... always attack ... never defend ... and thus not a chance of receding into following thoughts ... leading to future wisdom to avoid the same old, same old!

Even Moses retreated in the face of god ... a destructive passion? Hollow string theory supporting a place to put something else in the myth ... buried information?

Some Jacques Derrida functions could be applied ... break it down for assay and Odes (common essay)! Tis the vernacular ... legalists over step it as AD Ult ... overripe?

Thus the Jack Ripper Plot ... intellect must be put down as Psyche and Sophia! Unseen gems?

Imagine a pearl of great value ... lustrous brae in ...of cholesterol? Ever see purified cholesterol? ... sort of a mother of pearl texture ... the stuff of simple alchemy leading on to complexes ... neural conflicts? Stress vs relaxation syndrome ... spasms ...

Lepto being a word about thin, etc. ... thus that laid out condition of narcolept ... and consuming narcolept Ci ... the urge to drift off ... at night an OBI! Dreams can really be crap to people that don't like to see themselves in reality ... PTSD, entrancement?
 
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Thoughts on Mark 15:1-19...

The account of that Friday morning's events, as given by Mark, is brief, since he omits many incidents that don't bear upon the Passion. His account's characterized by vividness and action.

In the morning, the Sanhedrin had a meeting in the Polished Stone's Hall to ratify a death sentence. The total number of the Sanhedrin's groups is stated to have comprised the chief council.

There was need of their meeting for consultation; for they lacked the right to execute the death sentence. Only the Roman governor had the power over life and death, and before him they couldn't urge the fact that Jesus claimed to be God's Son.

They agreed upon a course of action, and then they delivered Jesus to Pilate, who came up to the feast to prevent disturbances that might arise at such a people's concourse.

Pilate's question of Jesus indicated in what form the Jewish authorities' accusation against him had come before him.

The enemies construed his confession concerning his Messiahship to give it political significance. They implied that Jesus was a rebel against Rome.

That was the meaning of Pilate's question. He thought that he here had a Messianic disturbance case.

Jesus' explanation showed Pilate that the accusation had nothing to do with political affairs and dangers to the government.

The chief priests kept bringing other accusations, their idea being to cause Pilate's assent to their wishes without examining the evidence.

Jesus observed a silence. It was obvious to everyone that these were trumped-up charges, without a foundation.

Jesus knew that Pilate both felt the accusers' weakness and believed Jesus to be innocent.

What a scene. The mob before the Praetorium is reenforced by Jewish councilors' friends. Pilate appears on the platform before them, then disappears, trying to find a way out of the difficulty. The high priests and the Sanhedrin circulate through the mob.

Pilate had introduced the custom of setting free on this feast the prisoner whose release the people desired. The people expected this boon; and both he and they thought of this fact.

Pilate thought that he could save the situation by giving the people the choice between Jesus and Barabbas. For the latter was a murderer. He'd been caught with his accomplices and was now awaiting his punishment, bound in jail.

Hardly had Pilate decided how to manage the affair, when the people began to demand that he grant them that which he'd always given them. Their request was accompanied by the rabble's bellowing. They felt that they had the situation in their hands.

Pilate's proposal confirmed them in their belief, "Is it your wish, shall I release to you the Jews' King?" His choice of names for Christ was a challenge and an insult to the Sanhedrin's members.

This scheme of playing off the people with their champion against the priests might have been successful.

The priests had been successful in exciting the people. There was no longer any resemblance to an orderly trial with cool leads on both sides.

The people were convinced that they preferred to have Barabbas released to them.

Pilate then asked, "Then what do you want me to do with him you call the Jews' King?" The title's repetition was again foolish on Pilate's part. The people yelled "Crucify him!"

Pilate's protest as to any guilt on his part went largely unheard. For with rage the cry rolled out through the streets over the city, "Crucify him!"

The time for sense had passed. The crowd wanted blood, and Pilate knew that the situation was beyond him, for this cry showed him that it was too late for justice.

Pilate was willing to content the people. It was a travesty upon justice. He released to them Barabbas, a sarcasm.

One more murderer more or less in a murderer's nation would make little difference; let the innocent be confined in prison and be adjudged guilty of death, while the murderers enjoy the highest positions!

Jesus, after being scourged, was delivered to be crucified according to the Roman method of dealing with criminals found guilty of death.

The scourging may also be though of as the first part of the crucifixion's agony. It was an introduction to the tortures of the mockery which the soldiers' cruelty invented and which the cross' anguish crowned.

The soldiers led him into the Praetorium. Here they gathered the entire band. Here was a chance for sport. They put purple upon him and placed a thorn's crown about his head.

And then the mockery began. They began to hail him as the Jews' King; for this title they found funny: a king for this people that was hated by the Romans. They now hit him on the head, spat upon him as upon a creature and fell upon their knees in mock worship.

Such was Jesus' experience, for his Passion stands out in the account. He gave his back to the smiters, and his cheeks to them that plucked off the hair. He didn't hide his face from shame.
 
The theory about the "certain young man" being Mark certainly has some support. But this has not been established as fact.

As for the man at the tomb being an angel, you are once again conflating the gospels. Mark's gospel does not tell us who the man is.

Scripture is the best interpreter of Scripture.
 
Mnemonic is only mnemonic the king of chaos ... if ordered well by ill meaning leaders ...

They really didn't little people to know more than the oligarch ... thus compound degradation ... not appropriate to those following the KISS concept ... after that thought, knowledge and wisdom denied was dispersed ... just went ...

Ever loose your thoughts Jae? Consider it a drain line ... absolute folks are thus tapped out ... just observe the nonsense they turn over ...

Imagine word of law going against word of mediums ... broader based understanding! Many don't gras pit ... thus un-thought!

Pitty ...
 
A desire to be comforted and supported.
Makes sense. I imagine that would have been part of it. Why do you think He needed comfort and support? I don't really understand your desire to see Him free of fear.
 
I'd suggest that the 'certain young man' from 14:51 is included, because he represents all of us who seek to follow Jesus. Linen is a beautiful fabric, but not a whole lot of protection against cold, wind, rain, etc. That the young man ran off, naked, suggests that he was 'exposed', especially to himself. His veneer of 'faith' was bravado at best. Maybe being stripped of our securities and fantasies, sort of being 'exposed' to ourselves, is a first step to growing up to maturity in following and learning from Christ?
Could be. I like this as a takeaway from the passage.
 
Scripture is the best interpreter of Scripture.

In the case of the guy(s) at the tomb, I am not so sure about that. If you read the 4 gospel accounts, you still need to make a decision about who it was.

Was it one individual (Matthew, Mark) or two (Luke, John)?

Human (Mark, Luke)? Or angel? (Matthew, John)

Quite the mix of detail provided by the different gospel writers.
 
Thoughts on Mark 15:1-19...

The account of that Friday morning's events, as given by Mark, is brief, since he omits many incidents that don't bear upon the Passion. His account's characterized by vividness and action.

In the morning, the Sanhedrin had a meeting in the Polished Stone's Hall to ratify a death sentence. The total number of the Sanhedrin's groups is stated to have comprised the chief council.

There was need of their meeting for consultation; for they lacked the right to execute the death sentence. Only the Roman governor had the power over life and death, and before him they couldn't urge the fact that Jesus claimed to be God's Son.

They agreed upon a course of action, and then they delivered Jesus to Pilate, who came up to the feast to prevent disturbances that might arise at such a people's concourse.

Pilate's question of Jesus indicated in what form the Jewish authorities' accusation against him had come before him.

The enemies construed his confession concerning his Messiahship to give it political significance. They implied that Jesus was a rebel against Rome.

That was the meaning of Pilate's question. He thought that he here had a Messianic disturbance case.

Jesus' explanation showed Pilate that the accusation had nothing to do with political affairs and dangers to the government.

The chief priests kept bringing other accusations, their idea being to cause Pilate's assent to their wishes without examining the evidence.

Jesus observed a silence. It was obvious to everyone that these were trumped-up charges, without a foundation.

Jesus knew that Pilate both felt the accusers' weakness and believed Jesus to be innocent.

What a scene. The mob before the Praetorium is reenforced by Jewish councilors' friends. Pilate appears on the platform before them, then disappears, trying to find a way out of the difficulty. The high priests and the Sanhedrin circulate through the mob.

Pilate had introduced the custom of setting free on this feast the prisoner whose release the people desired. The people expected this boon; and both he and they thought of this fact.

Pilate thought that he could save the situation by giving the people the choice between Jesus and Barabbas. For the latter was a murderer. He'd been caught with his accomplices and was now awaiting his punishment, bound in jail.

Hardly had Pilate decided how to manage the affair, when the people began to demand that he grant them that which he'd always given them. Their request was accompanied by the rabble's bellowing. They felt that they had the situation in their hands.

Pilate's proposal confirmed them in their belief, "Is it your wish, shall I release to you the Jews' King?" His choice of names for Christ was a challenge and an insult to the Sanhedrin's members.

This scheme of playing off the people with their champion against the priests might have been successful.

The priests had been successful in exciting the people. There was no longer any resemblance to an orderly trial with cool leads on both sides.

The people were convinced that they preferred to have Barabbas released to them.

Pilate then asked, "Then what do you want me to do with him you call the Jews' King?" The title's repetition was again foolish on Pilate's part. The people yelled "Crucify him!"

Pilate's protest as to any guilt on his part went largely unheard. For with rage the cry rolled out through the streets over the city, "Crucify him!"

The time for sense had passed. The crowd wanted blood, and Pilate knew that the situation was beyond him, for this cry showed him that it was too late for justice.

Pilate was willing to content the people. It was a travesty upon justice. He released to them Barabbas, a sarcasm.

One more murderer more or less in a murderer's nation would make little difference; let the innocent be confined in prison and be adjudged guilty of death, while the murderers enjoy the highest positions!

Jesus, after being scourged, was delivered to be crucified according to the Roman method of dealing with criminals found guilty of death.

The scourging may also be though of as the first part of the crucifixion's agony. It was an introduction to the tortures of the mockery which the soldiers' cruelty invented and which the cross' anguish crowned.

The soldiers led him into the Praetorium. Here they gathered the entire band. Here was a chance for sport. They put purple upon him and placed a thorn's crown about his head.

And then the mockery began. They began to hail him as the Jews' King; for this title they found funny: a king for this people that was hated by the Romans. They now hit him on the head, spat upon him as upon a creature and fell upon their knees in mock worship.

Such was Jesus' experience, for his Passion stands out in the account. He gave his back to the smiters, and his cheeks to them that plucked off the hair. He didn't hide his face from shame.
You are getting a little ahead of the rest of us.

My apologies if you are finding the pace too slow. I have spent three days on Mark 14 and will get to Mark 15 tomorrow.

Before moving on to Luke's gospel, I am certainly open to feedback about the pacing of these threads.
 
unsafe says ----The Line Cloth here is this word in the Greek that is used in this scripture ----

Strong's Greek: 4616. σινδών (sindón) -- fine linen cloth

4616. sindón
Strong's Concordance
sindón: fine linen cloth
Original Word: σινδών, όνος, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: sindón
Phonetic Spelling: (sin-done')
Definition: fine linen cloth
Usage: fine linen, a linen cloth.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 4616: σινδών

1. linen cloth, especially that which was fine and costly, in which the bodies of the dead were wrapped: Matthew 27:59; Mark 15:46; Luke 23:53 (cf. Herodotus 2, 86 who says of the Egyptians, κατειλισσουσι πᾶν τό σῶμα σινδονος βυσσινης (see Wilkinson's note in Rawlinson's Herod. 3rd edition, the passage cited)).

2. thing made of fine cloth: so of a light and loose garment worn at night over the naked body, Mark 14:51f (others suppose a sheet rather than a shirt to be referred to; A. V. linen cloth; cf. B. D.American edition, under the word Sheets). (Besides Herodotus, the writers Sophocles, Thucydides, Strabo, Lucian, others use the word.)


unsafe says -----so we see that this linen was costly and was worn over the naked Body ---------it was a fine cloth that was used to wrap a dead body ------


So this has to do with Jesus death I would say -------here is an interesting piece on this fine linen and who used it -----

https://www.bible-history.com/isbe/L/LINEN/

2. General Uses:
Linen was used, not only in the making of garments of the finer kinds and for priests, but also for shrouds, hangings, and possibly for other purposes in which the most highly prized cloth of antiquity would naturally be desired.



unsafe says ---Naked ---what is the meaning Here ------

KJV Dictionary Definition: naked
naked
NAKED, a. Open, discovered, to strip.

1. Not covered; bare; having no clothes on; as a naked body or a naked limb.

2. Unarmed; defenseless; open; exposed; having no means of defense or protection against an enemys attack, or against other injury.


unsafe says ----
The Young Man I personally think could have been just a human follower of Jesus or to me it could have been an angel who had been following Jesus and was there to appear at the right time to signify Jesus death by the wearing the fine lined cloth -------to signify by his running away that Jesus had been deserted by His friends out of Fear and Terror of them also being arrested and killed -----and the naked body to signify that Jesus left unarmed --defenseless ---exposed and open to His enemies who have comer to arrest and Kill Him ----

unsafe says ------it does not in any way say it was Mark or anyone else ----the scripture says only a Young Man Period ------we can't add words to the Bible People -----it says what it says ---and really it doesn't matter WHO it was ----What matters is the Spiritual Message that is shines on ------

unsafe says ----Could the Young Man be the same on who appeared at the tomb -----anything is possible with God directing His Plan ---


Just a note here ----Jesus was so calm and so together when they came to arrest Him -------He says this to His enemies ----

48 Then Jesus said, “Why do you come to get me with swords and clubs as if I were a criminal?

49 Every day I was with you teaching in the Temple area. You did not arrest me there. But all these things have happened to show the full meaning of what the Scriptures said.”

50 Then all of Jesus’ followers left him and ran away.

unsafe says ------Notice what He says Here ------ But all these things have happened to show the full meaning of what the Scriptures said. ------

He is saying here that He has freely given Himself over to them it is not by their Hands but by His own that He allows this to fulfill His Father's Will -----and then His Followers leave ----and the young man appears out of no where--- go figure -----


All Credit Goes To The Direction The Holy Spirit For This Post ----:angel:
 
unsafe says ----The Line Cloth here is this word in the Greek that is used in this scripture ----

Strong's Greek: 4616. σινδών (sindón) -- fine linen cloth

4616. sindón
Strong's Concordance
sindón: fine linen cloth
Original Word: σινδών, όνος, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: sindón
Phonetic Spelling: (sin-done')
Definition: fine linen cloth
Usage: fine linen, a linen cloth.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 4616: σινδών

1. linen cloth, especially that which was fine and costly, in which the bodies of the dead were wrapped: Matthew 27:59; Mark 15:46; Luke 23:53 (cf. Herodotus 2, 86 who says of the Egyptians, κατειλισσουσι πᾶν τό σῶμα σινδονος βυσσινης (see Wilkinson's note in Rawlinson's Herod. 3rd edition, the passage cited)).

2. thing made of fine cloth: so of a light and loose garment worn at night over the naked body, Mark 14:51f (others suppose a sheet rather than a shirt to be referred to; A. V. linen cloth; cf. B. D.American edition, under the word Sheets). (Besides Herodotus, the writers Sophocles, Thucydides, Strabo, Lucian, others use the word.)


unsafe says -----so we see that this linen was costly and was worn over the naked Body ---------it was a fine cloth that was used to wrap a dead body ------


So this has to do with Jesus death I would say -------here is an interesting piece on this fine linen and who used it -----

https://www.bible-history.com/isbe/L/LINEN/

2. General Uses:
Linen was used, not only in the making of garments of the finer kinds and for priests, but also for shrouds, hangings, and possibly for other purposes in which the most highly prized cloth of antiquity would naturally be desired.



unsafe says ---Naked ---what is the meaning Here ------

KJV Dictionary Definition: naked
naked
NAKED, a. Open, discovered, to strip.

1. Not covered; bare; having no clothes on; as a naked body or a naked limb.

2. Unarmed; defenseless; open; exposed; having no means of defense or protection against an enemys attack, or against other injury.


unsafe says ----
The Young Man I personally think could have been just a human follower of Jesus or to me it could have been an angel who had been following Jesus and was there to appear at the right time to signify Jesus death by the wearing the fine lined cloth -------to signify by his running away that Jesus had been deserted by His friends out of Fear and Terror of them also being arrested and killed -----and the naked body to signify that Jesus left unarmed --defenseless ---exposed and open to His enemies who have comer to arrest and Kill Him ----

unsafe says ------it does not in any way say it was Mark or anyone else ----the scripture says only a Young Man Period ------we can't add words to the Bible People -----it says what it says ---and really it doesn't matter WHO it was ----What matters is the Spiritual Message that is shines on ------

unsafe says ----Could the Young Man be the same on who appeared at the tomb -----anything is possible with God directing His Plan ---


Just a note here ----Jesus was so calm and so together when they came to arrest Him -------He says this to His enemies ----

48 Then Jesus said, “Why do you come to get me with swords and clubs as if I were a criminal?

49 Every day I was with you teaching in the Temple area. You did not arrest me there. But all these things have happened to show the full meaning of what the Scriptures said.”

50 Then all of Jesus’ followers left him and ran away.

unsafe says ------Notice what He says Here ------ But all these things have happened to show the full meaning of what the Scriptures said. ------

He is saying here that He has freely given Himself over to them it is not by their Hands but by His own that He allows this to fulfill His Father's Will -----and then His Followers leave ----and the young man appears out of no where--- go figure -----


All Credit Goes To The Direction The Holy Spirit For This Post ----:angel:

All credit also goes to the direction of the Spirit of God for my posts on this thread.
 
For my part I credit the Christ I try to follow, the Spirit who works with me and within me, and the Creator who gave me a heart to wonder and love; and a mind to think and reason with.

The Creator, according to the Bible, is Christ.
 
You are getting a little ahead of the rest of us.

My apologies if you are finding the pace too slow. I have spent three days on Mark 14 and will get to Mark 15 tomorrow.

Before moving on to Luke's gospel, I am certainly open to feedback about the pacing of these threads.

Sorry paradox3. I jumped ahead of you. I have my next thoughts on Mark 15 ready, but I'll hold off for now.
 
Gen. 1:1? 'In the beginning Christ created...' Oh... wait...
Never mind.
I'll bet not even the Wycliffe translation says that.
 
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