The Gospel of Mark

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paradox3 said:
Where would you say Matthew fails? Where does this gospel ignore OT prophecies?

Just seeking information Waterfall. Not trying to be difficult.
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He ignores the prophesies in the OT that say the future Messiah will bring peace on earth not in the future but during his lifetime...that he will not be God but a mortal......that he will build the third temple....gather all Jews back to the land of Israel....The Messiah will do this the first time and do not believe in a second coming to accomplish this.
 
paradox3 said:
Okay, so they don't experience everlasting life in Heaven. Everlasting life begins in Heaven and continues on earth after the Second Coming. To me this seems like splitting hairs.
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I don't see it as splitting hairs paradox3. To me there's quite a difference between living everlastingly in Heaven vs. living for a short time in Heaven and then everlastingly on a redeemed Earth. Also, I don't think all of the righteous will experience Heaven - some will still be alive on Earth when Christ returns.
 
Jae said:
I don't see it as splitting hairs paradox3. To me there's quite a difference between living everlastingly in Heaven vs. living for a short time in Heaven and then everlastingly on a redeemed Earth. Also, I don't think all of the righteous will experience Heaven - some will still be alive on Earth when Christ returns.
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What would you say is the difference between life in heaven and everlasting life on a redeemed earth?

I get that some would still be alive on earth when Christ returns. He will come to judge the quick and the dead, right?
 
Hmm . . . wondering if Brother @Jae means that everlasting life on a redeemed earth will involve physically resurrected bodies. Can't say anyone has ever described Heaven to me as an interim step.
 
paradox3 said:
What would you say is the difference between life in heaven and everlasting life on a redeemed earth?

I get that some would still be alive on earth when Christ returns. He will come to judge the quick and the dead, right?
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Do you mean beyond them being different places with different natures (Heaven supernatural vs. Earth natural)? They look different, they sound different, they feel different, they smell different, they taste different. Earth is Earth - Heaven is not.

What's important for us, I think, is what someday living on a redeemed Earth means for us in the here and now. It means we should be working for Earth's redemption. Earth isn't some place we should let go to rot.
 
Jae said:
I believe that upon death, the righteous will go to Heaven to be with God. They'll return to Earth with Christ at the time of his Second Coming. Christ will then bring God's Kingdom into its fullness on Earth. The righteous will enjoy everlasting life on the new Earth.
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Hints at some failure and collapse of the imagined wall between what some fruitcakes believe without observational science! Really an experience in altruism unless some plutarch convinces you about blind religion and the beau geste ... perhaps bogust ...

Dead bod'es get sucked up into trees of knowledge ... impossible things for folks that would rather not know about rites and remaining wrongs that appear oaky to them ... such is homo sapiens! Oh din ... the chaos resulting from satires and literal satyr ... some say it is literal and no literature value in the old tomes ...
 
Some tomes are credible and others are plausible ... but first one needs to understand the meaning of potential national collapse (plausible?) due to descent of emotional walls and obstructions to balance in justice ... an unheard of thing to oligarchs and those that believe things they are blind to ...

Some pain can make a person learn ... a state of change? Thus we whip through dead space ... leaving unheard of implicites ...

Ions require vacuum chambers to act as cloud chambers ... nebulous to those denying such observations of really small things ... ada Mist?

There are those that say that Christians have no dreams .. and everything they project is solid and Lucid as what falls from heaven ... satirical riffs? Can riffs define quanta bits of thought ... let us commune for an instance against generalized prop A ganda ... freely sucked up ... some glazing of the I'z may be apparent!

Do weals of justice turn slowly as wheels of plutarch's ... approaching that oil-aye state ... do some religions appear a bit Grecian in imagery? These do get rancid when exposed to oxygen ... oxymorons we don't know! These simulate metaphors ... then there are anagrams that go against the grains of linguistics ...

Word breaks down under pressure into red actions ... some people have the power to be apologetic for Eire ... some not!
 
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Summary: Mark 5:1-20

Jesus is met by a man with an unclean spirit coming out of the tombs. This man lived in the tombs and had often been bound with chains. But he pulled apart the shackles and chains and no one could tame him. He was always in the tombs or mountains, crying out and cutting himself with stones. But he ran after Jesus and worshiped Him. Jesus commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man and requested to learn his name. The man replied, "My name is Legion for we are many."

A large herd of swine (about 2000) was feeding nearby and the demons begged to be sent to the swine. They entered the swine and the herd ran down a steep place into the sea and drowned. Those who fed the swine fled and told about it in the city and the country. Folks arrived to see what had happened. They were afraid when they saw the healed man and begged Jesus to depart.

The man wanted to leave with Jesus but He did not permit this. Jesus said, "Go home to your friends, and tell them what great things the Lord has done for you, and how He has had compassion on you." (5:19 NKJ).

All marveled.
 
Jae said:
Yes, I believe we will be in our resurrected bodies.
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How long do you believe it will take a New Earth to recover its parts after the indulgent with the naivete of Trump-like blindness as ap' ET ... crazed with power? Blindness is a raven theology ... in group therapy discussed unkindly or as a plan (conspiracy; leading to unplanned eruptions) against oligarchy of fixed belief theocracy to put a term of polity on it ... so it can be owned up to?

Some say if you name something you own it ... thus silence creeps ... scratch creation of whirred ... reading something from a medium makes some powers ill!

Double talk thus become divine acceptance due to enclosure of satire within the go spile ...

Utilized greatly against demos ... a point that is dulled by restrictions in science and education to make plutarch's wealthy ... their pons don;t see it ...
 
Reflection: Mark 5:1-20

We had this story in Matthew but it was told a little differently. There were two men with demons coming out of the tombs. Same deal with the herd of swine running into the sea and drowning.

Looking ahead to Luke, his version is almost identical to Mark's.

An interesting point in this story is that the healed man is instructed by Jesus to tell others about it.

I have discussed this story in bible study sessions where we focused on the chains and shackles. We interpreted them metaphorically and talked about what holds us back in our lives. I can't recall what we made of the demons begging to be sent into the swine. Maybe we talked about how difficult it can be to let certain burdens go.
 
paradox3 said:
Think we could move on to Mark 5?
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Bubbles can make their own mark ... marking the point when mireph arts occur (Murph's Laus) with indeterminate nature ... an uncertainty in the enigma ... a parallel to paradox in triads! Demonstrates superfluous ... and super conductance of the blind ... IOn 's of them! Thus we O' and should work it ...

Whirred is like that in fiery phoe Nicks ... burning desire to know what;s missing in the hollow decked out oligarchs ...

Admit it, few know anything ... thats anachronism ... in a populace that believes they know everything entirely at its greatest! The Trump reappears ...
 
paradox3 said:
Reflection: Mark 5:1-20

We had this story in Matthew but it was told a little differently. There were two men with demons coming out of the tombs. Same deal with the herd of swine running into the sea and drowning.

Looking ahead to Luke, his version is almost identical to Mark's.

An interesting point in this story is that the healed man is instructed by Jesus to tell others about it.

I have discussed this story in bible study sessions where we focused on the chains and shackles. We interpreted them metaphorically and talked about what holds us back in our lives. I can't recall what we made of the demons begging to be sent into the swine. Maybe we talked about how difficult it can be to let certain burdens go.
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The demons knew that Jesus wouldn't let them enter into any human, and so they wanted to go into the swine. They asked Jesus to send them there.

The devil's a murderer from the start. If humans are forbidden him, he tortures animals. His desire is to destroy God's Creation - because it is God's.

Jesus here let the spirits do as they had asked; it was better that animals should perish than that a man, made in God's image, should be tormented.
 
The stuffing that the demos are restricted about ... ineffability? Don;t say it ...

They could light a spark within those kept in the dark shadow of gods warring nature ... thus propaganda descends ...

Potential satyrs ...
 
Might have something to do with the swine being ritually unclean animals. Who knows that an image of thousands of pigs stampeding downhill to drown in a lake might not have brought a giggle or two to the observant Judean of the day.
 
Jae said:
The demons knew that Jesus wouldn't let them enter into any human, and so they wanted to go into the swine. They asked Jesus to send them there.

The devil's a murderer from the start. If humans are forbidden him, he tortures animals. His desire is to destroy God's Creation - because it is God's.

Jesus here let the spirits do as they had asked; it was better that animals should perish than that a man, made in God's image, should be tormented.
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Interesting interpretation.

The swine would have been considered unclean by Jesus and His associates. The story would have a different meaning if it involved other animals like sheep or goats.
 
paradox3 said:
Interesting interpretation.

The swine would have been considered unclean by Jesus and His associates. The story would have a different meaning if it involved other animals like sheep or goats.
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I feel this would still be true - it was better that animals should perish than that a man, made in God's image, should be tormented.
 
Redbaron said:
Might have something to do with the swine being ritually unclean animals. Who knows that an image of thousands of pigs stampeding downhill to drown in a lake might not have brought a giggle or two to the observant Judean of the day.
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Maybe there is a message of justice of some sort here. The demons and the unclean animals all perish.
 
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