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that is what he is saying, see I called it First !!
brownie point for me
blackbelt1961
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airclean33
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NO---- I am a Child of the most HIGH GOD. I am Born not of flesh" by the will of man. But by the will of GOD.
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unsafe
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BetTheRed -----your question -----Matthew 7? How do you decide which verse to cherry-pick to support your position?
this is the context of this piece of scripture -----
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Do Not Judge
1"Do not judge so that you will not be judged.2"For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.…
So it was you who cherry picked this scripture and took it out of context to verify your own position ------The scripture says for in the way you judge --it doesn't say not to --it says that how we judge -------which goes with this scripture -----
John 7:24 ----Context
Jesus Teaches at the Feast-----23"If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath so that the Law of Moses will not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made an entire man well on the Sabbath?24"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."
this is the context of this piece of scripture -----
Context
Do Not Judge
1"Do not judge so that you will not be judged.2"For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.…
So it was you who cherry picked this scripture and took it out of context to verify your own position ------The scripture says for in the way you judge --it doesn't say not to --it says that how we judge -------which goes with this scripture -----
John 7:24 ----Context
Jesus Teaches at the Feast-----23"If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath so that the Law of Moses will not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made an entire man well on the Sabbath?24"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."
If the most high gods of the earth are like Caesars ... is humble good enough for the opposing gods as buried in the darkness of time?
Thus the present sense loose dite ... and hereafter was know as wot ... or mote ... a word stuck in the eye of the receptive?
Some will not recive anythoug out there ... they feel that possessiveness is good enough to cultivate great avarice!
Avarice; a grand old lady of a mote to etude ... as a flyer in the dark Ness ... a dark Pool of the unknown portion of soul? The places some brutes fear to attend ... they'd rather scroo a Buddha ... knotty, knotty ... they appear like Burl ... with Hives, scratch creation?
Carry on ... God rests ...
Thus the present sense loose dite ... and hereafter was know as wot ... or mote ... a word stuck in the eye of the receptive?
Some will not recive anythoug out there ... they feel that possessiveness is good enough to cultivate great avarice!
Avarice; a grand old lady of a mote to etude ... as a flyer in the dark Ness ... a dark Pool of the unknown portion of soul? The places some brutes fear to attend ... they'd rather scroo a Buddha ... knotty, knotty ... they appear like Burl ... with Hives, scratch creation?
Carry on ... God rests ...
BetteTheRed
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I didn't cherry pick, I paraphrased, there's a difference.
He says, "Judge away", as long as you're willing to be judged by Godde, yes? I personally don't risk that.
Also, I'll notice that there's a difference between judgment and observation. When I say to airclean, for instance, which I often do, "this is not clear; I cannot understand it", I am not making a judgment but expressing an unsatisfied need, in this case, for an understanding of what is being said.
airclean33
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BetteTheRed--Posted--Also, I'll notice that there's a difference between judgment and observation. When I say to airclean, for instance, which I often do, "this is not clear; I cannot understand it", I am not making a judgment but expressing an unsatisfied need, in this case, for an understanding of what is being said.
Airclean-post--You see here I don't understand your post . There is a difference between, Judgment and observation? An observation is to me . Something you see, but say nothing about it. A Judgment is something you have formed an opinion on. You may or may not ,say anything about it. If you wish to know what it is that I am posting about . Just ask me to explain. I may not always explain it , as you" would wish , but will try.
Airclean-post--You see here I don't understand your post . There is a difference between, Judgment and observation? An observation is to me . Something you see, but say nothing about it. A Judgment is something you have formed an opinion on. You may or may not ,say anything about it. If you wish to know what it is that I am posting about . Just ask me to explain. I may not always explain it , as you" would wish , but will try.
airclean33
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revsdd--Done-----The last line is your opinion , you can believe as you will.
Does this suggest a freedom of religion on your behalf or would you still terrorize to protect a absolute belief in things poorly understood ... like eternal things from a mortal perspective?
One should get out more ... but if you don't believe in OBI ... then you couldn't extend your self as dreams in the dark ...
airclean33
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--To understand those things which are not understood by the mind of man.To have a perspective of that Glory from outside looking in. To have a chance to walk with Him and talk with Him even" for the few min"s of this life ,of man.. How Great Our GOD.
revsdd
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You're correct. It's my opinion. I was just doing some writing in my Scripture journal, reflecting on Proverbs 22:4 - which begins with the words "humility is the fear of the Lord." A flat out comment that you were wrong without acknowledging that this was only my opinion was lacking in that humility, and I apologize for that. That doesn't change my opinion, but it is only my opinion.
KISS Prin. with the dark and unknown Prince as buried by worldly powers? How Machiavellian ... but then Machiavelli wrote a book about the dark powers of the elite host ... and they declared it evil ... a turnaround?
What you overlook is that Lk 17:2 responds to your challenge and, in its context, removes the apparent contradiction between the believer's obligation to judge and "Judge not, lest you be judged." The 2 contexts are decisive. That is precisely my point. And rebuking someone for an obvious sin is clearly an act of judgment.
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Well, you see, we're not talking the same language, airclean, and i wish we were. When I ask you to clarify your beliefs and opinions, you don't seem to answer my questions.
To clarify my POV: I generally wish an answer to my questions, even if I disagree with them. I have a pretty clear idea of where I stand, both vis a vis modern theology, also what "real" people believe. And i recognize we have a language barrier, but I don't understand why that, with practice, i 'get' what LuceNDs is saying, what Jae says. Your opinions, and the logic behind them, remain largely a mystery to me.
To clarify my position: an observation is a fact that I view as worthy of discussion, often an incongruity between a belief and its logical conclusion, but often a simple question of "do you mean what I translate your words to mean? I don't think that a simple 'face value of words' is very useful.
A judgment is a conclusion, by a person, or Godde, should one believe in a supernatural being, that a given word or action is morally "right: or " wrong".
Does this help?
We judge morally right or wrong all the time @BetteTheRed many of our threads in politics have a moral factor. If we didn't have that we wouldn't be arguing one side or another.
We judge people on the basis of our cultural and/ or religious and political morality all the time. If we see something as harmful to others (or selves) we judge those who support it. Everybody does it. We just have to be prepared to be judged by the same measure.
We judge people on the basis of our cultural and/ or religious and political morality all the time. If we see something as harmful to others (or selves) we judge those who support it. Everybody does it. We just have to be prepared to be judged by the same measure.
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BetteTheRed
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Yes, Kimmio, we do. And when we do, if we're being authentic, we'll say "I think you're morally wrong on this one" or even "this is my opinion". But questions like " WTF? Don't understand what you're saying here", or"do you see this as a logical conclusion to the words you've said" is not a judgment, it's a misunderstanding, or at least, an attempt at clarification of understanding.
BetteTheRed
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I don't know, do I need a big sign on my forehead saying "these words are questions in order to understand another human." I get the give and take of human interaction, for instance, I have some ideas of where you're at, Kimmio, where you come from, etc., from your words and communications. If I'm asking questions, I'm curious, not generally judgmental, unless you've given me a lot of evidence that your words hurt my neighbour.