The Doctrine of Christ

[revsdd]

The bigger question is whether you will reach the same sea.

To get a bit Plato-nic here, one could also argue that there is really only one sea - the perfect form of the sea, of which the seas we see around us are mere forms. So, would the rivers lead to one of the seas we see around us, or to the sea which is the reality that undergirds the seas we see around us.

As I've said many times, I'm not a universalist, but I am intrigued by the concept and open to the possibility, since I do believe that God can "save" whomever God chooses to "save" - even if God's choice is everyone.

 

[airclean33]

Grace is not a part of every system. Christianity has no exclusive license on grace. Grace exists whether one follows Jesus or not. It's my belief that only those who don't reject God's saving grace will be saved

-- I have just read through three Minsters post hear . On what was --
The Doctrine of Christ--I believe they all copped out. You Jae really twisted in circles. Your belief , which I would not say anything about, after all it is your Belief. that only those who don't reject God's saving grace will be saved. Jae did you mean Muslims who believe Jesus is The Christ?Or Hindu"s ,or other Belief"s. They have a right to believe what ever they wish. But you Ministers should know and Understand . Jesus Christ Doctrine .I am sorry Jae if it sounds like ,I am down just on you. I ask the other two Ministers to stand . To tell us if man is saved by ANY , but GOD The Father through His Christ and Son JESUS THE LORD.I will help.



I am called a Christian, I am saved though Jesus The Christ . The (One) sent from GOD The Father.

JOHN 3: 16---

For God so loved the world that he gave( his only Son,) that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.


GOD Told Moses Tell Them-- I AM--has sent you.


Who do they say I Am
Mat 16:15
Mark 8;29
Luke 9: 20
John 14: 10 -- I am in The Father
Math 1: 23--His name shell be called Emmanuel -- This is God with us.

 

[Luce NDs]

A grace Oz-like imaginary Sea ... tacky in nature ... creating sticking points?

 

[revsdd]

-- I have just read through three Minsters post hear . On what was --
The Doctrine of Christ--I believe they all copped out.

If that's your belief, that's fine. What I wrote about my personal doctrine of Christ was:

"I believe in the divinity of Christ and in the resurrection of Christ. As the incarnate word of God, I believe that the life of Jesus, revoliving around love - for God, for one another, for neighbours, even for enemies - points us to what a truly godly and righteous life would look like, and it becomes the target for which we shoot (and, unfortunately, which we too often miss.) "

What is it about that statement that you find to be a copout?

 

[Luce NDs]

Is the greatest copout come from those that worry in the copious quantities about controlling others lives?

They overlap the territories that they were assigned to cultivate ... by denying there is anything out of place at home ... eliminated thoughts?

It appears if one listens and shares other difficulties well ... they have a better chance at understanding things beyond eM ...

Is that out-there or just outlandish to the avarice enthusiast?

 

[Luce NDs]

Then one has to research the conventional source of avarice ...

 

[revjohn]

I believe they all copped out.

Well, that is your belief.

Me, I believe that you have comprehension issues.

Me personally, I believe that Jesus the Christ was fully human and fully divine, that Jesus the Christ is God the Son, God in human flesh.

That you believe a statement such as that is a cop out demonstrates that you do not understand what others post.

I believe Jesus the Christ is, more or less, what the Christian faith has claimed of him for centuries and particularly that branch of Christianity which is informed by Reformational thought.

That you believe this statement is a cop out really indicates how ignorant you are about Reformational thought. That's your deficit to overcome, not mine.

I believe the Christ is divine and that he is one of many who have taught us how we might love one another.

You probably read this and though revjohn believes others are divine. Which is not at all what I said.

Personally, I believe in the divinity of Christ and in the resurrection of Christ. As the incarnate word of God, I believe that the life of Jesus, revoliving around love - for God, for one another, for neighbours, even for enemies - points us to what a truly godly and righteous life would look like, and it becomes the target for which we shoot (and, unfortunately, which we too often miss.) To the extent that I have a "doctrine" of Christ, those would be the key points.

How do you equate that with a cop out. I read very clearly Steven saying "I believe . . ."

God became flesh in Jesus the Son for the purpose of redeeming all of Creation unto Himself through His suffering and death.

How is this a cop out?

I think that your real problem is that we didn't affirm your beliefs about Christ and not seeing any fault in your beliefs you immediately jump to the conclusion that we have not articulated any beliefs of our own.

 

[Luce NDs]

Comprehensive ... that would suggest and extreme gathering of hosts of intellectual sparks ... a sense of alternate cognizance ... opposing the disposable type?

 

[airclean33]

To get a bit Plato-nic here, one could also argue that there is really only one sea - the perfect form of the sea, of which the seas we see around us are mere forms. So, would the rivers lead to one of the seas we see around us, or to the sea which is the reality that undergirds the seas we see around us.

As I've said many times, I'm not a universalist, but I am intrigued by the concept and open to the possibility, since I do believe that God can "save" whomever God chooses to "save" - even if God's choice is everyone.

--Gen 1:1-2-- As far as I know . All water is one , At least it was in the beginning.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Gen 1:2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters.

 

[Luce NDs]

Then there is the whetted thought ... a different sort of flow ... metamorphic? They can quench passions ... if you get eM afore hand ... intellectual leaders?

That'd be dark to those wishing only to be drawn to the flame?

 

[airclean33]

Hi Rev John -- I never ask you what you thought of me" .
I asked is there salvation in any other? Than GOD , through His Son Jesus" , Who is The Christ" sent from GOD" The Father .

 

[revsdd]

Hi Rev John -- I never ask you what you thought of me" .
I asked is there salvation in any other? Than GOD , through His Son Jesus , Who is The Christ sent from GOD The Father .

God will save whom God will save. I believe that there is assurance of salvation for those who are in Christ. As for those who are not in Christ, judgement is God's role, not mine and not yours. As I said, I proclaim assurance of salvation for those who are in Christ. That, in itself, is an invitation or encouragement to faith in Christ. But I don't presume to sit in judgement about the eternal destiny of those not in Christ. I am content to leave them in the hands of a merciful and grace-filled God.

 

[revjohn]

Hi Rev John -- I never ask you what you thought of me

I didn't want you to think I was copping out again.

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I asked is there salvation in any other? Than GOD , through His Son Jesus" , Who is The Christ" sent from GOD" The Father .

I do not believe that there is salvation in any other than God.

God is Father, Son and the Holy Spirit all the time. Whether or not all of the persons are manifest.

Wherever God is the Father, Son and Spirit are present whether they are noticed or not.

Does God abandon the Jew because they do not recognize God the Son? If so God's covenants are not to be trusted. Wherever the Father is the Son must also be present in some way noticed or unnoticed.

Which I believe I have already said elsewhere in the thread.

 

[airclean33]

God will save whom God will save. I believe that there is assurance of salvation for those who are in Christ. As for those who are not in Christ, judgement is God's role, not mine and not yours. As I said, I proclaim assurance of salvation for those who are in Christ. That, in itself, is an invitation or encouragement to faith in Christ. But I don't presume to sit in judgement about the eternal destiny of those not in Christ. I am content to leave them in the hands of a merciful and grace-filled God

-- Hi Rev resdd-- I would say by your post here , This is how I understand it You have no Bible verse" that show or tell us" of another way to be saved . I find no problem in saying this. I have yet to find it myself. I also believe I don't have the right to force any to except Christ Jesus . Not even my oldest brother who would not listen . I do how ever have the power" to pray for GOD" to forgive , and I can for give them myself. I hate to Judge , but have no choice.I understand the world, are my Brothers and Sisters.But I cannot live by the world . But only by the words that come from mouth GOD". airclean33

 

[revsdd]

... I hate to Judge , but have no choice. ...

Why? Jesus tells you not to judge, and yet you say you have no choice but to judge? You have no choice but to do exactly the opposite of what Jesus taught? That's intriguing.

 

[BetteTheRed]

I didn't want you to think I was copping out again.



I do not believe that there is salvation in any other than God.

God is Father, Son and the Holy Spirit all the time. Whether or not all of the persons are manifest.

Wherever God is the Father, Son and Spirit are present whether they are noticed or not.

Does God abandon the Jew because they do not recognize God the Son? If so God's covenants are not to be trusted. Wherever the Father is the Son must also be present in some way noticed or unnoticed.

Which I believe I have already said elsewhere in the thread.

Did Godde abandon Hagar in the wilderness with Ishmael? Is their Godde, the Allah of Islam, not the same as our Godde?

 

[Mendalla]

--Gen 1:1-2-- As far as I know . All water is one , At least it was in the beginning.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Gen 1:2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters.

We aren't really talking about water, @airclean33 . We're speaking metaphorically here.

 

[revsdd]

Did Godde abandon Hagar in the wilderness with Ishmael? Is their Godde, the Allah of Islam, not the same as our Godde?

Certainly each of Judaism, Christianity and Islam is an attempt to worship the same God - the God of Abraham. The revelations leading to the formations of the respective faith groups are obviously different, yet similar in many ways. Genesis 21 also records a separate covenant made with Ishmael and his descendants that they too would become a great nation. (Islam traces its descent from Ishmael.) And, of course, the word "Allah" is somewhat problematic too. Many more conservative Christians tend to see "Allah" as a different God, when really "Allah" is simply the Arabic word for God. Arabic speaking Christians pray to and worship "Allah" as well.

Given the common family origins of the three great monotheistic faiths, it's perhaps not surprising that the three have had such a troubled relationship! Arguments within families can get pretty hot.

 

[airclean33]

I didn't want you to think I was copping out again.


John-post--
I do not believe that there is salvation in any other than God.

God is Father, Son and the Holy Spirit all the time. Whether or not all of the persons are manifest.

Airclean--post--That GOD is unseen , I agree , but not unfelt or unheard. Each part has a job . I believe each part , are as one" . My belief is GODS fullness is seven now. I also believe that is about to change.

John -Post --
Wherever God is the Father, Son and Spirit are present whether they are noticed or not.

Airclean-post --Yes I have to agree. GOD with us.

John- post --
Does God abandon the Jew because they do not recognize God the Son? If so God's covenants are not to be trusted. Wherever the Father is the Son must also be present in some way noticed or unnoticed.

Which I believe I have already said elsewhere in the thread.

--Airclean--Your question on the Jews is very hard to get into . GOD never broke His covenants. It is open ended though. The Jew"s may leave Him.Note what the Jews said to Pilot- Matthew 27: 24-25- .I know at the end battle, that some Jews will fight against us . The end is not here yet , so we shell see.GODS Covenant ,was with Israel through Abraham. There still are 10 missing Tribes.I believe GOD has invited not just them , but all that would accept His new Covenant, which is through Jesus The Christ.Not doing away with the old , but adding on to. So He could save as many as possible . All Gory is GODS ,. John not ours or any others.

 

[airclean33]

We aren't really talking about water, @airclean33 . We're speaking metaphorically here.

--That"s to bad Mendalla . Water tends to be a stone that trips Science . It seems they can't find out were it all came from. Lucky for us though Hay