The Demise of Physicalism

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Metaphysical idealism asserts that reality, or reality as we can know it, is fundamentally mental in nature.

But surely, today, idealism seems like a bit of a silly idea.

Remarkably, however, idealism is experiencing a renaissance in science and philosophy.

How can this be possible?

The Demise of Physicalism

The doctrine of physicalism, idealism's antithesis, posits that everything in the universe can be reduced to or explained by physical entities, their properties, and interactions. Consequently, mental phenomena like consciousness are ultimately explained by physical properties and events. Surely, to deny physicalism is tantamount to rejecting science.

Physicalism emerged as a response to religious dogma and the dominant worldview of the Late Middle Ages.,

Instrumental to this novel worldview was the reductionist reasoning and the scientific method, implicitly assuming physicalism, was born.

Nonetheless, physicalism is a metaphysical belief, just like idealism.

Nothing in our sciences requires or demonstrates its validity.

It is a commonsensical, albeit naïve, conception of reality.

The edifice of science is constructed from an intricate mathematical architecture, allowing for incredible insights into the workings of nature. This unprecedented success is still witnessed by the emergence of ever more breathtaking technological prowess.

In a nutshell, science tells us how reality works. Unfortunately, it is very silent on the essence of reality.

This is the purview of philosophy, rendering both physicalism and idealism competing but scientifically unprovable claims.

The assumed foundations of a material reality began to crumble.

The human mind was faced with ontological uncertainty.

Making matters worse, science and philosophy had marginalized the subjective first-person perspective.

As a result, only the hypothetical, detached, and uninvolved third-person perspective held academic validity, thus excluding consciousness's prime quality, namely the content of phenomenal experience.

In the 1990s this shortcoming was exposed and spelled out in the hard problem of consciousness.

As science and physicalist philosophy still cannot account for the emergence of consciousness from unconscious matter, specifically its first-person perspective, a pragmatic solution was found in redefining what constitutes consciousness.

Either phenomenal consciousness is not what it seems or does, in fact, not exist at all.

Suddenly, the pragmatic and commonsensical position of the physicalist appears patently absurd, as it requires us to question the very essence of our own existence.

Even more troublingly, we can never actually empirically observe matter outside and independent of our consciousness, for we are forever locked in consciousness.

Everything we ever experience we perceive through our consciousness.

The Rise of Idealism

Today, idealism has a hard standing. To the staunch physicalist, it reflects silly and childlike wishful thinking, notably a refusal to maturely endure the metaphysical nihilism imposed by a cosmos that is, with absolute certainty, impersonal, meaningless, and random.

To the theist, the concept will sound acutely and threateningly blasphemous, heretical, and sacrilegious, surely the message of a deceitful and tempting demonic presence.

However, to the shaman, mystic, meditator, and psychonaut, this metaphysical proposition describes experienceable realities, just as real as consensus reality viewed through the lens of sober waking consciousness.

The contours of the information-theoretic paradigm shift unfolding in physics are becoming more apparent.,

The shaman, mystic, meditator, and psychonaut, long ignored by the Western mind, finally get to have their say in decoding the nature of existence.

The central theme of this newly emerging and experienceable knowledge is the resurgence of idealism.

Still mostly ignored by the scientific and philosophical orthodoxy, there are many contemporary rational and sober thinkers endorsing variations of idealism appropriate for our modern day and age.

The hegemony of physicalism is being scientifically challenged.

To the philosophically uninitiated person who considers themselves a critical and rational thinker with great reverence for science, it may come as a big surprise that physicalism is not only just a belief but that it is severely challenged by modern enigmas related to the fundamental nature of reality and consciousness.

Some early pioneers of quantum physics, who bravely grappled with the incomprehensible weirdness of the newly exposed level of reality, held distinct panpsychist or idealist intuitions. However, the shut-up-and-calculate doctrine would soon be adopted in theoretical physics, leaving no room for philosophical considerations.

Nonetheless, such idealist suspicions about the foundations of reality would never quite be extinguished.

Indeed, today, a new generation of physicists is reconsidering the dogma of the third-person perspective.

On the horizon, we see the unfolding of a new scientific narrative.

One in which consciousness is fundamental.

One which takes the ignored metaphysical implications of over a hundred years of quantum weirdness seriously.

One that does not trivialize the subjective first-person perspective.

One that sees profound metaphysical relevance in the phenomenal accounts of shamans and mystics, over the ages.

Ever since the human mind awoke to its own existence, it has wondered about its cosmic significance.

Perhaps now, equipped with a new kind of science that is informed and guided by a brave new philosophy, it can devise tools epistemically powerful enough to finally find answers.


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There's a lot of space out there to store what some perfectionists say amounts to nothing ... and thus an odd philosophical overview. Imagine the Ayres (Eire) from which the stranger learns down here! It is as touch as trying to disseminate whether the trinity is singular of plural ... plurality?

Whichever way you look at the massless, volume less gob ... it remains enigmatic as something that thinks and Romans despise a thinking man as it hinders pure will from destroying all-that-is provided ...

Considering what freed will is doing it is time to move on ... appears like the Billy Bong in the Movie AUSTRALIA ... there was found a carcass left behind as fertilizer for another shot ay evolution ... it keeps taking another turn ...

Could we call this expansive item ethereal? It is said light is constant there ... meta phor?
 
Metaphysical idealism asserts that reality, or reality as we can know it, is fundamentally mental in nature.

But surely, today, idealism seems like a bit of a silly idea.

Remarkably, however, idealism is experiencing a renaissance in science and philosophy.

How can this be possible?

Your reflections on the demise of physicalism and the rise of idealism are both timely and resonant.

What stands out to me is not so much the “competition” between physicalism and idealism, but the reminder that both are metaphysical positions — interpretations layered on top of what is experienced. Science, when honest, shows us that it can model the workings of reality with astonishing precision, but it does not and cannot tell us what reality is.

In my own explorations, (which I’ve been shaping into Drudaosha), I’ve come to feel that the heart of the matter is not whether reality is “physical” or “mental,” but that all appearances are interwoven in an indivisible wholeness. The great mistake of physicalism has been its insistence that only the third-person lens is valid, while the great mistake of dogmatic religion has been its insistence that only a particular set of first-person revelations are valid.

What seems needed now is integration: a recognition that the first-person perspective of mystics, shamans, meditators, and psychonauts is not a trivial anomaly but part of the same universe science describes.

Your point about the information-theoretic turn in physics is crucial. If reality is structured more like a flow of information than a collection of billiard-ball particles, then consciousness is not an afterthought of matter but part of the very fabric of existence.

For me, the return of idealism is not a regression into wishful thinking, nor a rejection of science, but a rediscovery that reality is participatory.

We live within it as co-creators, not passive observers. Whether one calls this “idealism” or “non-duality” or “the implicate order,” the essential insight is the same: that the universe is not mute, meaningless, and fragmented, but alive with connection, mystery, and significance.
 
Is physical counter to the awareness of spirit and essence? Imagine spirit people ... like djinns ... complexly interactive ...
 
Hmm. This implies that when the human species goes extinct, that the earth will stop creating. Which is a bit wyrd.
Perhaps because of lack of sensibilities by the Gods in the diminished state ... the earth will remain unseeing rather than unseen! Like the old story about a tree falling ... does it make a sound if there is no one there?

It is like quantum particles the one in the shrine has to resonate with the one out there but if there is no shrine that's enigmatic ...

There'd be nothing for the Shrine Eire to work with ... complicated formulations ... the inner and outair separation ... then there are stranger things than one not wishing to reside with the opposed ... the atmosphere around "one" fails ... allowing 2 ones ... deuces?

In some traditions doppelgangers ... others echoes ... like David in the mountain ranges crying to the heavens ... it could resonate ... disturb someone!

Early science of listening to yourself ... then puddles were discovered ...
 
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Is creation eclectic or scattered to give a broader perspective view ... dizzying to the single line interpretation when the resolutions are numerous as stacked ... some rooting may be prerequisite ... and some will not take that path of exposure ...

The pig and the frog enter stage ... Ö lower the eyes and add it to the cycle and it resembles swine ... hog wild or Hogwarts (Classic pharm)!

Pay attention to what is buried in script because intellect is disposed ... prodigal? Anima myth extends ... consequence? Funny much of the expression doesn't evidence sub thought ... hypo? So much hidden in the fluidity of a plastic psyche ... it allows alteration ... ganglia extension? The network expands ... some take off because they hate connections ... to many bugs?
 
Metaphysical idealism asserts that reality, or reality as we can know it, is fundamentally mental in nature.

But surely, today, idealism seems like a bit of a silly idea.

Remarkably, however, idealism is experiencing a renaissance in science and philosophy.

How can this be possible?

The Demise of Physicalism

The doctrine of physicalism, idealism's antithesis, posits that everything in the universe can be reduced to or explained by physical entities, their properties, and interactions. Consequently, mental phenomena like consciousness are ultimately explained by physical properties and events. Surely, to deny physicalism is tantamount to rejecting science.

Physicalism emerged as a response to religious dogma and the dominant worldview of the Late Middle Ages.,

Instrumental to this novel worldview was the reductionist reasoning and the scientific method, implicitly assuming physicalism, was born.

Nonetheless, physicalism is a metaphysical belief, just like idealism.

Nothing in our sciences requires or demonstrates its validity.

It is a commonsensical, albeit naïve, conception of reality.

The edifice of science is constructed from an intricate mathematical architecture, allowing for incredible insights into the workings of nature. This unprecedented success is still witnessed by the emergence of ever more breathtaking technological prowess.

In a nutshell, science tells us how reality works. Unfortunately, it is very silent on the essence of reality.

This is the purview of philosophy, rendering both physicalism and idealism competing but scientifically unprovable claims.

The assumed foundations of a material reality began to crumble.

The human mind was faced with ontological uncertainty.

Making matters worse, science and philosophy had marginalized the subjective first-person perspective.

As a result, only the hypothetical, detached, and uninvolved third-person perspective held academic validity, thus excluding consciousness's prime quality, namely the content of phenomenal experience.

In the 1990s this shortcoming was exposed and spelled out in the hard problem of consciousness.

As science and physicalist philosophy still cannot account for the emergence of consciousness from unconscious matter, specifically its first-person perspective, a pragmatic solution was found in redefining what constitutes consciousness.

Either phenomenal consciousness is not what it seems or does, in fact, not exist at all.

Suddenly, the pragmatic and commonsensical position of the physicalist appears patently absurd, as it requires us to question the very essence of our own existence.

Even more troublingly, we can never actually empirically observe matter outside and independent of our consciousness, for we are forever locked in consciousness.

Everything we ever experience we perceive through our consciousness.

The Rise of Idealism

Today, idealism has a hard standing. To the staunch physicalist, it reflects silly and childlike wishful thinking, notably a refusal to maturely endure the metaphysical nihilism imposed by a cosmos that is, with absolute certainty, impersonal, meaningless, and random.

To the theist, the concept will sound acutely and threateningly blasphemous, heretical, and sacrilegious, surely the message of a deceitful and tempting demonic presence.

However, to the shaman, mystic, meditator, and psychonaut, this metaphysical proposition describes experienceable realities, just as real as consensus reality viewed through the lens of sober waking consciousness.

The contours of the information-theoretic paradigm shift unfolding in physics are becoming more apparent.,

The shaman, mystic, meditator, and psychonaut, long ignored by the Western mind, finally get to have their say in decoding the nature of existence.

The central theme of this newly emerging and experienceable knowledge is the resurgence of idealism.

Still mostly ignored by the scientific and philosophical orthodoxy, there are many contemporary rational and sober thinkers endorsing variations of idealism appropriate for our modern day and age.

The hegemony of physicalism is being scientifically challenged.

To the philosophically uninitiated person who considers themselves a critical and rational thinker with great reverence for science, it may come as a big surprise that physicalism is not only just a belief but that it is severely challenged by modern enigmas related to the fundamental nature of reality and consciousness.

Some early pioneers of quantum physics, who bravely grappled with the incomprehensible weirdness of the newly exposed level of reality, held distinct panpsychist or idealist intuitions. However, the shut-up-and-calculate doctrine would soon be adopted in theoretical physics, leaving no room for philosophical considerations.

Nonetheless, such idealist suspicions about the foundations of reality would never quite be extinguished.

Indeed, today, a new generation of physicists is reconsidering the dogma of the third-person perspective.

On the horizon, we see the unfolding of a new scientific narrative.

One in which consciousness is fundamental.

One which takes the ignored metaphysical implications of over a hundred years of quantum weirdness seriously.

One that does not trivialize the subjective first-person perspective.

One that sees profound metaphysical relevance in the phenomenal accounts of shamans and mystics, over the ages.

Ever since the human mind awoke to its own existence, it has wondered about its cosmic significance.

Perhaps now, equipped with a new kind of science that is informed and guided by a brave new philosophy, it can devise tools epistemically powerful enough to finally find answers.


See this post for more information.
You're right that physicalism has serious problems, especially with consciousness. But your solution, jumping to idealism, commits the same error you're criticising: making unprovable metaphysical claims about reality's ultimate nature.

You say we can only know reality through consciousness, which is true. But then you leap to "therefore reality is fundamentally mental." That's not logically required. We could just as easily say "we know we have experiences, period" without claiming consciousness is reality's foundation.

Your critique of physicalism is solid: it can't explain why there's subjective experience rather than just information processing. However, idealism doesn't solve this; it merely asserts that consciousness is primary without explaining why or how.

The real issue isn't choosing between physicalism and idealism. It's that both positions make claims about reality's ultimate nature that go far beyond what we can actually verify. You're asking us to trade one unprovable metaphysical system for another.

Here's a more honest position: We know we have conscious experiences. We interact with what appears to be a physical world. Beyond that, we're speculating. Maybe consciousness is fundamental, maybe matter is, maybe neither, maybe both emerge from something else entirely.

Rather than proclaiming idealism's victory, why not just work with what we actually know? Our experiences are undeniable. Everything else, including grand claims about reality being "fundamentally mental", is philosophical speculation that may be interesting but isn't necessary for understanding ourselves or our world.

The future of understanding consciousness lies in better science, not in choosing metaphysical sides.
 
If you stray too far towards either ideal, you come back around and end up where you didn't wish to be ... thus the need for balance with waving to build a stable inertia ... like a perfect gyroscope ... works in the craziest conditions of turbulence ... it is said that this is the essence within some human cells ... directing evolution ... where physicalism runs parallel to metaphysics ... divine worlds over lapping?
Allows for periodic schizoid activity ... and then return to the obverse normal ... the alternate side essentially! Impossible for one siders ... Mobiu Stripped?

Similar to a fey truth as they are difficult to come by ... a virtue of love is a sacred issue here in reality ... we cannot deal with virtue in the art of the deal.

Did you know that the NB lumber barons refer to tree trunks as "deals"? Thus logged for medium ...
 
The future of understanding consciousness lies in better philosophy of science not in choosing physical sides.
Fair point, philosophy of science is essential. But here’s the rub: if we’re serious about philosophy of science, then we have to accept that both physicalism and idealism overstep. A better philosophy of science wouldn’t crown either as “the” answer, it would expose how both are speculative metaphysical add-ons.

So when you say “the future lies in better philosophy of science,” I’m with you. But that only strengthens my point: philosophy of science should discipline us, not license us to make grand declarations about reality being “fundamentally mental.”

If idealism is your preferred metaphysical stance, fine. But don’t smuggle it in as if philosophy of science endorses it. On the contrary, philosophy of science asks us to recognise the limits of our claims, and to admit when we’re moving from evidence into speculation.

So yes, better philosophy of science matters. But that’s precisely why I resist the jump to idealism. The more rigorous we are about separating what we can justify from what we can’t, the clearer the picture will be.
Consciousness is a mystery, but turning mystery into metaphysics isn’t progress.
 
How do we resolve mysteries ... if we do not allow knowledge and its associate to partner up with the query?

I do ponder that when people say they don't wish to know there is something to that as a cause. In which case the most destructive factors remain "unknown"!

Does this thing labelled God wish to be known and is just hidden away an sacred because of mortal tendencies toward destruction?

Consider all the libraries and book burnings over history ... why? Has there ever been a purge of wise men? Just a metaphor for something in the tete?

Then some factors crossed that red line ... war mongers! Are we sold on the conflict theory without even and intellectuals mulling over? Thus something departs ... just slipping away as a shadow ... myth o' logic as a subtle power?
 
Remarkably, however, idealism is experiencing a renaissance in science and philosophy.
If idealism is your preferred metaphysical stance, fine. But don’t smuggle it in as if philosophy of science endorses it.
I have just come across the concept of idealism recently, and I remarked on it.

I have no preferred metaphysical stance.

I doubt we will ever exhaust the ways of "properly" studying the world.

In essence, when it comes to mind, I prefer the meta over the matter.
 
I have just come across the concept of idealism recently, and I remarked on it.

I have no preferred metaphysical stance.

I doubt we will ever exhaust the ways of "properly" studying the world.

In essence, when it comes to mind, I prefer the meta over the matter.
I like that, meta over matter. It sounds less like a metaphysical flag planting and more like a willingness to zoom out and question how we’re even asking the questions. That’s probably the most productive stance anyone can take on consciousness right now.

After all, the danger isn’t that we pick the wrong side between “all is matter” or “all is mind.” The danger is that we get so attached to a frame that we stop noticing its limits. If philosophy of science can keep us agile, open to both first person insight and third-person rigour, then maybe “meta over matter” is exactly the attitude we need.

So perhaps the future isn’t idealism or physicalism, but a kind of metaphysical jazz, improvising with the frameworks, not mistaking them for the final score.
 
"The danger is that we get so attached to a frame that we stop noticing its limits"

Mort's enigma ... a claim or a flag ov warning in the joust or rub ... Nar dish? Some say Kush with the proper hand ...

Looking on from outside the edifice where the maelstrom rages? Call me Ishmael ... the reject ... in the subcontinent chi might be the fire of Medusa! Eruption under water ... plumes break out ... grift settled for a time ... grift is small scale .. attempted out there is fatal ... if you attempt there better be a dense shroud ...

Stonewall ... Jack's child ... Jo' El eight? gentile touch in the myth ... if you get it ... there could be dissonance and dispersion ... once known as Eris ... consequence of Eros ... something breaks down ...
 
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