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what if there are laws in the universe we haven't figured out or are not capable of perceiving or understanding, but they are?

Read my post again. That is exactly what I was talking about, @Kimmio . If there are ways around special relativity (and theorists have conceived of them), you would think that someone able to build a Dyson sphere would likely have discovered them. IF (and it's a big, big IF) the mysterious objects do turn out to be a Dyson sphere AND they have not made their way here, that suggests to me that special relativity ain't breakable.

A civilization of that order of capability that was able to bypass special relativity in some way would likely spread very rapidly through the galaxy. Just think what would happen if we actually invented the warp drive from Star Trek. Human colonists would be headed for every potentially habitable world discovered by Kepler in no time flat, not to mention manned exploration missions to other interesting places like this one.

My general feeling is that if special relativity can be bypassed, someone somewhere should have done it by now and we should see evidence of that beyond the sketchy, quasi-mystical experiences described by "UFO encounters". The energy required for the theoretical methods we have come up with (which mostly involve black holes and such like) would certainly be detectable in some way.

Logical conclusion, then, is that either it can't be bypassed or no civilization has ever reached a sufficient high level of science and technology to do it. Either way, it means we're pretty safe on the alien invasion front.

As for Hawking's statements on the subject, I don't think he is anywhere near an authority on the subject. He's a theoretical physicist who is also a Trekkie (and one of the rare Trekkies who had enough clout to get a guest spot on the show). If someone actually involved with the Kepler project or other exoplanet research said it, the credibility would be a bit higher but would still, ultimately, be speculative at best and hardly indicative of how we should proceed.

And even if we do take him seriously, discovering them before they discover us is, in fact, probably our best defence and astronomical research like exoplanet hunting is how we are going to do that. It means, if anything, we need to pursue this field more aggressively just as we need to pursue research into Earth-grazing comets and asteroids (which are a known threat, not a theoretical one) more aggressively. It is an argument for more space research, IOW.
 
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Can we unrelated to what we been taught about hating strangers that we know little about ... thus wee characters?

Great corporate powers are terrified of wee thoughts ... a concept of thought could change the way it is ... or disruptive manifestations ... thus stranger relations than you could imaging in the abstract sense! That'd be the Shadow ... heh gnoes ... as a sloe jinn that stopped to think ... a Kohl character as illusive persona ...
 
I don't know. maybe they've already seen us a long time ago, know all about us, and said, "Meh. whatever." :cool::p

Heh. Heh. Were I visiting alien, that would be my general reaction, esp. if I watched any news coverage.

Then again, to be honest, after watching us for too long I might also consider (to use a geek meme drawn from the move Aliens) "Nuke the place from orbit. It's the only way to be sure." Get rid of us before we become a threat, in other words. It's fairly easy to do, Just nudge a large Earth grazing asteroid into a suitable orbit, then sit back and watch the Cretaceous extinction event replay itself.
 
Or as Webster defines by convention: intelligence; all that is beyond the human will ... a metaphysical understanding that allows a void between here and now and the Sdadow of a chance they'd learn anything ...

Once in a while creatures drop in from the great womb (heaven) just to check out the dregs of 'elle some times known as Nell if she doesn't understand the greater linguistics ... of babble going on inside ...
 
If you can't say for sure ... tell a story to illustrate the abstracts ...

Someone out there will put it together ... or why would we have outlanders and scouts in the story? Ask Harper Lee ...
 
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