Snoopy Approaches Acts
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Mendalla
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That's kind of how I read it. Someone who tries to make Christianity more Jewish, basically. It could be seen as derogatory but could also just be "don't make it something it isn't meant to be" sort of thinking. You could reverse it and say the same of people who try to make Judaism more like Christianity.
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Judaizers - Wikipedia
In the New Testament, the Judaizers were a group of Jewish Christians who insisted that their co-religionists should follow the Mosaic Law and that Gentile converts to Christianity must first be circumcised (i.e. become Jewish through the ritual of a proselyte)
Paul was severely critical of the Judaizers within the early church and harshly reprimanded them for their doctrines and behavior.
Paul saw the Judaizers as being both dangerous to the spread of the Gospel and propagators of grievous doctrinal errors.
Paul publicly condemned Peter for his seemingly ambivalent reaction to the Judaizers, embracing them publicly in places where their preaching was popular while holding the private opinion that their doctrines were erroneous
That Gentile Christians should obey the Law of Moses was the assumption of some Jewish Christians in the early church, as represented by the group of Pharisees who had converted to Christianity in Acts 15:5.
Paul addresses this question in his Epistle to the Galatians, in which he condemned those who insisted that circumcision had to be followed for justification as "false believers" (Galatians 2:4
So we see here today that James is comprising to satisfy the 2 groups --
This may have been good back then --But for for today ----it is a big NO---
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No, there should not be compromise in teaching the pure gospel of grace, as its truth is foundational to salvation and the authentic Christian life, according to many Christian perspectives. Grace is defined as undeserved favor from God and provides power to live righteously, not a license to sin.
Compromising its truth can lead to a distorted understanding that undermines its life-changing power and the purpose of the Christian life.
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Sin was rampart under the Mosaic Law ----because it played into our human weaknesses and made us aware of our sins and made us know just how severe our sins were -----it kept the people trying to keep the laws it in a Powerless Position and in a State of Disobedience ----
Mendalla
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Nice illustration of the yoke image.
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Did Jesus ever consider the Law to be a yoke? He said he came not to abolish the Law but to fulfill it (Matthew 5:17)
We know he objected to many of the interpretations of the Law by the Pharisees.
Jesus frequently quoted from the Hebrew Scriptures. I don't believe he intended to toss out the entire tradition.
Will wait until tomorrow to post the next section from Acts. There may be further discussion on this point and I don't want the thread to get too unwieldy.
If anyone disagrees with me here, please don't quote from Paul's letters. I am not talking about Paul's point of view.
Many thanks for a very good discussion. Acts is proving to be thought-provoking than I anticipated.
We know he objected to many of the interpretations of the Law by the Pharisees.
Jesus frequently quoted from the Hebrew Scriptures. I don't believe he intended to toss out the entire tradition.
Will wait until tomorrow to post the next section from Acts. There may be further discussion on this point and I don't want the thread to get too unwieldy.
If anyone disagrees with me here, please don't quote from Paul's letters. I am not talking about Paul's point of view.
Many thanks for a very good discussion. Acts is proving to be thought-provoking than I anticipated.
Mendalla
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He never really said so that I recall. He seems to have no issue with the Law in principle, only with how the regime of his day applied it in a very strict, heavy-handed fashion. But that does bring us to a fundamental problem of the legalistic approach: it is subject to interpretation and misuse. Whereas a model based on Grace, at least in principle, puts all that in God's hands and trusts God to guide us through the Spirit. Somehow, though, his alleged followers still find ways to be legalistic about it. Human nature, I guess. We want to control the narrative and make others live by our interpretation of reality.
Mendalla
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Perhaps God recognizes the value of diversity and engagement with difference. After all, the Spirit "inspires" not "controls", which is what inspiring all of us identically would amount to.Very true @Mendalla
It would be good if the Holy Spirit could figure out how to inspire all of us identically
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No I do not think Jesus ever considered the 613 laws to be a burden ----the laws were perfect ===there was nothing wrong with the laws ----there was lots wrong with the humans who were given the burden of keeping the laws ----
Jesus added even more of a burden on the keeping the laws --
-because He said even if you think in your mind about breaking the law ---you have already committed the offense in your heart -----here He talks about Adultery ------
Matthew 5:28 AMP
28 I say to you that everyone who [so much as] looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.Jesus came to take away the burden and heavy yoke that the laws put on the Jewish people
--The Gentiles were never included in keeping the laws ----
The laws were for the Jewish Nation only ---the Gentiles were left to their own conscience -about what was bad and good --so there was no burden on the Gentile Nation to obey God --
The Gentiles were away from God and were free to sin as much as they wanted ----knowing that all sin committed has bad consequences with in this physical world --but they had no obligation to God to keep any of the Laws ----
Romans 2:14-15 AMP
14 When Gentiles, who do not have the Law [since it was given only to Jews], do instinctively the things the Law requires [guided only by their conscience], they are a law to themselves, though they do not have the Law. 15 They show that the essential requirements of the Law are written in their hearts;
and their conscience [their sense of right and wrong, their moral choices] bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or perhaps defending them
The laws were not erased ---the burden was from the Jewish Nation -----but they refused to accept the lighter burden ----and continued to have the heavy burden of trying to keep laws they couldn't keep ----
It was the Old Covenant that was abolished -----when the New and Better Covenant came into effect ----when Jesus shed His blood and was place on the Cross and died and was resurrected ---
-the Old Covenant of the Law was abolished -----and so was the demand to keep them ----
The new laws that replaced the burden of keeping the Old Laws ---
was the Law of Love ---
the Law of Faith
the Law of Liberty ---
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The Law of Love
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This law is summarized by loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind and lo love
your neighbor as as Jesus has loved you - Biblical Basis:
Romans 13:8-10 states, "Love no one anything, but the other, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law". Jesus also famously declared the "greatest commandment" to be loving God and your neighbor.
- Significance:
Love is not just a feeling but the fulfillment of the law, leading to a life of freedom and obedience.
- Description: This is the principle of trusting in God and His promises.
- Biblical Basis: Hebrews 11:6 says, "Without faith it is impossible to please God, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him".
- Significance: Faith enables believers to receive God's grace, leading to a deeper and more complete life in Christ.
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This is the freedom that Christ provides, liberating believers from the bondage of sin and the restrictions of Old Testament law.
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James refers to the perfect law of liberty in James 2:12, calling it the law that leads to freedom.
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By following the law of love and faith, Christians can truly live in the liberty where Christ has set them free, avoiding the enslavement of sin or the strict legalism of the Old Covenant.
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I don't think it is up to the Holy Spirit to inspire us identically ---the Holy Spirits Job is to inspire people to come to God and unite them in the God's Faith ---It would be good if the Holy Spirit could figure out how to inspire all of us identically
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My View
The Spirit should be in control of the behaviour of the true Christian ----the true Christians is to allow the Holy Spirit to direct their lives in their thinking --actions and Spiritual mind ----
Allowing the Holy Spirit to have control is not a loss of self identity but a willingness to surrender one's own free will to do the will of God ------and live a righteous life which is pleasing to God ----
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This anger is Personal anger ---that leads one into sin ---and twill lead the person to the wrong result -----
There is Righteous Anger which keeps one free from sin and will lead the person to the right result
Mendalla
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He downright blew his lid on occasion. Righteous anger was one of his distinctive characteristics, really. But, yeah, I can't think of any specific quotes or teachings from him on the subject.
Mendalla
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I am thinking of incidents like the cleansing of the temple. His frustration with the disciples seems more personal and not really angry per se, just face palming incredulously at their lack of understanding.
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