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Nothing. People who cannot afford it will not get paid. The GOP has enough votes to pass their bill that guts protections for the innocent children of immigrants. Real a**hole system.
 
I'm part of some RV groups on FB. Apparently people are being asked to leave federal park campgrounds. Apparently that happened the last time the government shut down.
 
crazyheart said:
president, porn
star, hush money. why am I watching?
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Don't know, ch. I pick up CBC news on the radio maybe 6 times a day. That is honestly enough for me.

I am not the target of any of this advertising for anything apparently. I live my life in happy oblivion, really.
 
BetteTheRed said:
The GOP has enough votes to pass their bill that guts protections for the innocent children of immigrants.
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Actually, they don't. Not in the Senate. The bill to prevent the shutdown required a higher majority than they have and the Dems all votes against. At least that's how I heard it.
 
The shutdown has marred Republican plans to celebrate Mr Trump’s first year in office, forcing him to cancel his attendance at a party at his Mar-a-Lago club on Saturday and throwing into doubt his plans to go to Davos for the World Economic Forum next week.
 
monk said:
The shutdown has marred Republican plans to celebrate Mr Trump’s first year in office, forcing him to cancel his attendance at a party at his Mar-a-Lago club on Saturday and throwing into doubt his plans to go to Davos for the World Economic Forum next week.
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Ah the poor puddin........:unsure:;)
 
Mental shutdowns occur often ... tis an impression of some precedence ... when numb and dumb preside with pure emotions ...

Let me stop and observe, listen ... yas perhaps there's nothing to it ... y' as ... the why say there may have been an alternate ... thought?

Emotional intelligence struggles on in the unseen land of mind ... El Dore A'do ... bottom ends of sol? De constituted ... inconspicuous dirt on the silent ones! Dad called this discrete ...
 
I don’t understand the whole concept. Don’t they have unions to discuss contracts? Is it that the gouvernment hasn’t come up with a budget yet? Then why is this not happening in Canada? Why can’t they just keep paying the expenses that are already there?
Why have been without a contract since 2014, that shouldn’t keep the system fom operating....
 
Amire I can see ... tis a different view on guilds and guilders ... the wealth is at one end only ... unexceptional freedom of the steel ... stab and runes ...
 
Mendalla said:
Actually, they don't. Not in the Senate. The bill to prevent the shutdown required a higher majority than they have and the Dems all votes against. At least that's how I heard it.
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Not quite. But close.

To pass the Bill needed 60 votes in the Senate.

At present the GOP have 51 votes to the Dems 49. Which means that even if the GOP produced all 51 votes the Dems would need to give it the support of 9 in order for the Bill to pass.

Vote totals for the Bill indicate the following.

GOP 45 yea 5 nay and 1 absent (McCain)
DEM 5 yea 44 nay

Final tally 50 yea 49 nay Bill fails.

Political necessity is that the GOP needed DEM support to pass the bill. Political reality is that the GOP could not convince all of their own party to support the bill nor enough of the Dems to prop it up.

Now the race is on to see which is stronger, the willingness of members from both parties to reach a compromise or the need of members to demonize.
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
Then why is this not happening in Canada?
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It does not happen here because our system works differently in a number of ways. For one thing, to be the government, you have to control the most seats in the House of Commons whereas in the US, legislative and executive branches are separate and even when his party controls Congress, the President can't actually directly control the legislative branch the way a Canadian PM can. Furthermore, Trudeau has a majority, meaning that unless there's a major caucus revolt, everything he wants passed gets passed. Finally, our Senate basically can't kill a bill. They can amend it, they can defeat it, but that sends it back to the House, not to its eternal grave. Plus, of course, our Senate isn't elected, it's appointed by the government so, once a party has been in power for a term or two, it's generally stacked in their favour, though Trudeau has been trying to "depoliticize" the Senate. In short, in a majority situation in Canada, the system is largely stacked in favour of the government so things like budgets tend to get passed without this kind of nonsense. Even in a minority situation, most Canadian governments (even Harper) have been pragmatic enough to find ways to compromise with enough opposition seats to get things through. When they haven't, the government has fallen and we've had an election and new government.

That's the real problem in the US right now. The system of bipartisan negotiation and compromise that used to get bills through Congress (they even have a formal committee system for negotiating when the House and Senate pass different versions of a bill) has broken down into partisan, ideological rancor.
 
Mendalla said:
It does not happen here because our system works differently in a number of ways. For one thing, to be the government, you have to control the most seats in the House of Commons whereas in the US, legislative and executive branches are separate and even when his party controls Congress, the President can't actually directly control the legislative branch the way a Canadian PM can. Furthermore, Trudeau has a majority, meaning that unless there's a major caucus revolt, everything he wants passed gets passed. Finally, our Senate basically can't kill a bill. They can amend it, they can defeat it, but that sends it back to the House, not to its eternal grave. Plus, of course, our Senate isn't elected, it's appointed by the government so, once a party has been in power for a term or two, it's generally stacked in their favour, though Trudeau has been trying to "depoliticize" the Senate. In short, in a majority situation in Canada, the system is largely stacked in favour of the government so things like budgets tend to get passed without this kind of nonsense. Even in a minority situation, most Canadian governments (even Harper) have been pragmatic enough to find ways to compromise with enough opposition seats to get things through. When they haven't, the government has fallen and we've had an election and new government.

That's the real problem in the US right now. The system of bipartisan negotiation and compromise that used to get bills through Congress (they even have a formal committee system for negotiating when the House and Senate pass different versions of a bill) has broken down into partisan, ideological rancor.
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Still don’t get why the park ranger suddenly doesn’t get paid but Trump and all the politicians are?
What effect does this have on people’s seniority, health insurance, pension plan?
 
Don't you love compromising situations to trip up overly powerful corruption?

Some call this a foundation stone that others try and destroy to benefit the higher-up on the ladder ... a devilish height to walk under because you know crap falls! Tis the foundation of lesser institutions ... run by demos ...
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
Still don’t get why the park ranger suddenly doesn’t get paid but Trump and all the politicians are?
What effect does this have on people’s seniority, health insurance, pension plan?
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Because politicians are self-serving for the most part (yes, there are some who go into to serve the people/nation, but I think they are getting fewer and further between) and likely have themselves considered to be "essential". I think that if they were included in the "shut down" and their pay was on the line, maybe things would shake out differently. Or maybe not. This thing seems so driven by ideology and partisan self-interest, maybe they would give up a month or two of pay to try to score political points (and make no mistake, both sides are playing politics with this).
 
If that shook out we'd all be a quiver about getting out of political situations !

Thus Eros are shot ... especially with the St Valentines Dais Massacre coming up ...

Bloody hearts hanging from the arches ...
 
Mendalla said:
Because politicians are self-serving for the most part (yes, there are some who go into to serve the people/nation, but I think they are getting fewer and further between) and likely have themselves considered to be "essential". I think that if they were included in the "shut down" and their pay was on the line, maybe things would shake out differently. Or maybe not. This thing seems so driven by ideology and partisan self-interest, maybe they would give up a month or two of pay to try to score political points (and make no mistake, both sides are playing politics with this).
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Usually,we hear these kind of stories from what we call “ developing countries “ with corrupt governments.
 
They are going to take a shot at ending it. House has already passed it. Senate votes at noon EST today.

Mrs.Anteater said:
Usually,we hear these kind of stories from what we call “ developing countries “ with corrupt governments.
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Thing is, we shake our hands at corruption in other countries, but we aren't total innocents. We are more subtle about it, but things like closed door fundraising with "exclusive access" to leaders and that sort of thing are just a watered down version of it. There has been some movement in removing or reducing it, but as long as there is a need for parties to fundraise, the risk remains.
 
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