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Believe the key, unsafe, is having a heart that's being changed by God.
Agreed ----- :angel:


The safest approach, unsafe, is to let the text and context determine the meaning rather than assigning spiritual symbolism to every detail.
Well to this I disagree -----while the context is very important in keeping the Text in the right light -----all Spiriture has a deeper meaing Spiritually and that is given by and through the Holy Spirit ----and getting the deeper meaning illuminates the Context of the written Scripture ---and brings the Spiritual truth to the surface -----

So for me I will always ask the Holy spirit to give me the Rhema Word -----the spiritul truth of what the Context is saying from the Logos word -----

The Rhema word can also give you guidance in your everyday life ------the Holy Spirit speaks to you and can direst your path straight ------

From Google

To get a rhema word—a personalized, spoken, or "quickened" word from God that applies directly to your current situation—you must actively seek God and align your heart to hear His voice.

While the logos is God's written, permanent word (the Bible), a rhema is when a specific scripture or truth comes alive in your spirit through the Holy Spirit.


I say ---Such a blessing that we Have the Holy Spirit to call on when Needed both in Scripture for the Spiritual truth and for everyday direction in our daily lives -----

So Jaebius let us always rely on The Holy Spirit for illuminating the scriptures Truth and direct our lives to victory -----:angel:
 
If god is everything ... imagine it taking "everything" to change some personalities' directions and vectors as they are stuck rolling along with a stone through the night's sky (night's Kaye*pic)?

Some Moss may be required to generate breathable gases ... it is like altering a pious mind that's an anchored vessel ... lord they'll never get back to the emptiness of heaven and vast room to move about ...

Can you imagine ancient astronomers, etc. pondering such questions about how gravity holds a lot of stuff down and thus distracted Newton ... regardless if it operated in opposition to the temple crowds ... they just wanted to be somewhere to escape the heavens falling like those volcanos in the Mediterranean. Could we label them quantum events ... determined by the dirt underfoot?

In the long run do we know anymore than those people who support what the US Government proposes ... cutting off Swiss Time device and forcing that European government into a trillion dollar failure (timelessness, regardless of how they enjoyed the good times). I don't know how accurate those $numbers are as they were supplied by the US Government leader, supported by many pious congregants. Some now deny this support but remain attached to the conceptions ...

If countered deny them over and over again ... till its enough to sway the opposed things, i.e. demos and demons against the emperor!

Oss and uia can be connected in the word Parousia as you normally eke out the last days in grief! Grief? That's here and now and many deny it so the balance of us satirize it ... and to keep things down ... nobody expects to know ...

Actually they don't virtually, if you check out some leanings toward ignore functions. So as consequence no one here knows me even if they swear I'm going to 'elle ... and actually I'm toiling as any oars person ... like steering a water ores ... Kelpie?

They say it is wonderful to know not ... until reaching the edge ... then it spews! Work on that illness better than they do on prion disorder and digression ...
 
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Is prion disorder something to digress about?

Some may believe it has nothing to do with god or everything ... except that it can bring a bodily function to an inflamed stop ... in mystery functions. That is the thing will not labor any more ... even stops the brain function ... without question!

I have several relatives and ancestors that may be thus connected to disorders of this sort of genre ... I also know of a number of medical staff that don't entertain thoughts on the genre either ... you can't even mention it and they go somewhere else with their attention ... bad mental projection?
 
So Jaebius let us always rely on The Holy Spirit for illuminating the scriptures Truth and direct our lives to victory -----:angel:
Who here sees words like these as anything other than evidence of a cult?

Is it just me and others that are not religious? Is this normal or acceptable to many Christians? Because it smacks of brainwashing to me. Like some kind if mental addiction that is intervention-worthy.
 
DId you learn anything about source criticism, redaction, historical criticism when it comes to how Scripture, particularly parts of the Jewish Scripture, really specifically the Torah came to be in their final form? THat was first year seminary for me. To limit ourselves to Torah there are clearly multiple sources and clearly they tell some of the same stories differently.

How many animals are included on the ark in the flood myth stands out -- one pair of everything or seven pairs of sacrificial animals?
GordW ---I think with some Spiritual understanding and a Desire to do some Research surrounding ---this animal situation can be cleared up ----

From google
Why the Numbers Differ
    • Genesis 6:19–20 gives the general rule to bring two of every living creature.
    • Genesis 7:2–3 adds more specific instructions later on, separating clean animals (seven pairs) from unclean animals (one pair).
This is for anyone wanting to know why the scripture gives 2 scriptures on the animals put in the ark -----

Is it a contradiction NO ---can it be Explained ---YES

Bible Hub


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How many clean animal pairs in the Ark? ►
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How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark? Two (Genesis 6:19, 20) Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)
Overview of the Passages

Genesis 6:19-20 states:

“Bring two of every kind of living creature into the ark to keep them alive with you-two of every kind of bird and animal and crawling creature-male and female-so that they can multiply on the earth.”

Later, Genesis 7:2 records:

“You are to take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal-male and female-and one pair of every kind of unclean animal-male and female.”

Finally, Genesis 7:8-9 reads:

“The clean and unclean animals, the birds, and everything that moves along the ground came to Noah to enter the ark two by two, male and female, as God had commanded Noah.”

At first glance, these details may seem to present a contradiction. One passage mentions pairs (two by two), while another adds instructions about seven pairs of clean animals. A careful look at the context clarifies the meaning.




Context and Distinctions

In Genesis 6, God gives the initial broad instruction for “two of every kind” of animal. This serves as the foundational directive ensuring that every animal type would be preserved through the Flood.

Genesis 7 provides extra detail: in addition to the basic two-by-two command, the clean animals (ritually acceptable for sacrifice and later for food) were to enter the ark in greater numbers-“seven pairs” (Genesis 7:2). Thus, God’s instructions include both the general requirement (to have at least one reproducing pair of each kind) and a specific requirement (to have multiple reproducing pairs of clean animals).


Why More Clean Animals Were Needed

Clean animals held special significance for offerings and worship (see Genesis 8:20). After the Flood, Noah offered sacrifices, which necessitated having more than a single pair so that the clean animal kinds would not be diminished or driven extinct by sacrifice (Genesis 8:20-21).

This explains why there would be seven pairs: it ensured there was still a robust population of clean animals after worship offerings. As soon as the Flood ended, Noah built an altar and sacrificed clean animals (Genesis 8:20). Having extra ensured these species would continue without threat of immediate extinction.

Reconciling Genesis 7:8-9

Genesis 7:8-9 states that the creatures entered the ark “two by two, male and female.” This phrase describes the manner in which the animals paired up as they entered, not necessarily the total number of pairs that existed. In other words, they entered in orderly pairs, with each pair consisting of a male and a female. For clean animals, there were seven such “pairs” (fourteen individuals, each pair male and female), while for unclean animals, there was only one pair (two individuals total).

When the text says they came “two by two,” it is emphasizing their orderly entry rather than contradicting the more detailed instruction about seven pairs of the clean animals. Multiple ancient Jewish and Christian commentators-such as those reflecting on early manuscripts and the Hebrew wording-note that “two by two” refers to the method by which they boarded, not the total count of animals for each category.



Harmonizing the Scriptural Accounts

• Genesis 6 outlines the basic preservation principle (two of every kind).

• Genesis 7 clarifies the special instruction to bring additional pairs of clean animals.

• Genesis 7:8-9 describes the orderly process of animals entering the ark. The animals came in pairs, but among the clean animals, there were seven such pairs.

The entire narrative aligns consistently once we recognize that the additional instruction for clean animals serves a specific worship and sustenance purpose.


Practical Implications

1. Preservation and Worship: Having seven pairs of the clean animals ensured they would be available for post-Flood sacrifices and for mankind’s eventual dietary needs, without wiping out their population.

2. Trust in the Specifics: The provision of extra clean animals highlights how the instructions given in Genesis are practical and purposeful. Each detail-often overlooked-shows foresight and care for the survival and worship needs of humanity.

3. Consistency of the Biblical Record: Rather than presenting a contradiction, these verses demonstrate layered instructions: a foundational command (two of every creature) and an additional directive for clean animals (seven pairs). Scholars often underscore these layers as typical of Hebrew narrative style, adding details progressively.


Conclusion

Bringing “two of every kind” into the ark is the sweeping command ensuring that no creature would be lost. Bringing “seven pairs” of clean animals is a more specific provision for future sacrifices and population stability of those creatures especially tied to worship.

Genesis 7:8-9’s phrase “two by two” describes the pattern in which the animals entered, not a limit on the total number of pairs for every species.

All these details harmonize within the text when read in context.

They reveal a careful, orderly plan and reinforce the internal consistency seen throughout Scripture.
This teaching affirms the thoroughness and purpose behind every divine directive, showing why multiple pairs of the clean animals were necessary, even as the overall pairs of unclean animals remained at one pair each.
 
Who here sees words like these as anything other than evidence of a cult?

Is it just me and others that are not religious? Is this normal or acceptable to many Christians? Because it smacks of brainwashing to me. Like some kind if mental addiction that is intervention-worthy.

Is it anything different than bricking up a sol behind a wall? Block off relief and something is going to happen ... thus flighty things ... Faye??? Sometimes comes across as Ephraim or ephemeral ... ochered ...
 
GordW ---I think with some Spiritual understanding and a Desire to do some Research surrounding ---this animal situation can be cleared up ----

From google
Why the Numbers Differ
    • Genesis 6:19–20 gives the general rule to bring two of every living creature.
    • Genesis 7:2–3 adds more specific instructions later on, separating clean animals (seven pairs) from unclean animals (one pair).
This is for anyone wanting to know why the scripture gives 2 scriptures on the animals put in the ark -----

Is it a contradiction NO ---can it be Explained ---YES

Bible Hub


​
How many clean animal pairs in the Ark? ►
​
How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark? Two (Genesis 6:19, 20) Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)
Overview of the Passages

Genesis 6:19-20 states:

“Bring two of every kind of living creature into the ark to keep them alive with you-two of every kind of bird and animal and crawling creature-male and female-so that they can multiply on the earth.”

Later, Genesis 7:2 records:

“You are to take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal-male and female-and one pair of every kind of unclean animal-male and female.”

Finally, Genesis 7:8-9 reads:

“The clean and unclean animals, the birds, and everything that moves along the ground came to Noah to enter the ark two by two, male and female, as God had commanded Noah.”

At first glance, these details may seem to present a contradiction. One passage mentions pairs (two by two), while another adds instructions about seven pairs of clean animals. A careful look at the context clarifies the meaning.




Context and Distinctions

In Genesis 6, God gives the initial broad instruction for “two of every kind” of animal. This serves as the foundational directive ensuring that every animal type would be preserved through the Flood.

Genesis 7 provides extra detail: in addition to the basic two-by-two command, the clean animals (ritually acceptable for sacrifice and later for food) were to enter the ark in greater numbers-“seven pairs” (Genesis 7:2). Thus, God’s instructions include both the general requirement (to have at least one reproducing pair of each kind) and a specific requirement (to have multiple reproducing pairs of clean animals).


Why More Clean Animals Were Needed

Clean animals held special significance for offerings and worship (see Genesis 8:20). After the Flood, Noah offered sacrifices, which necessitated having more than a single pair so that the clean animal kinds would not be diminished or driven extinct by sacrifice (Genesis 8:20-21).

This explains why there would be seven pairs: it ensured there was still a robust population of clean animals after worship offerings. As soon as the Flood ended, Noah built an altar and sacrificed clean animals (Genesis 8:20). Having extra ensured these species would continue without threat of immediate extinction.

Reconciling Genesis 7:8-9

Genesis 7:8-9 states that the creatures entered the ark “two by two, male and female.” This phrase describes the manner in which the animals paired up as they entered, not necessarily the total number of pairs that existed. In other words, they entered in orderly pairs, with each pair consisting of a male and a female. For clean animals, there were seven such “pairs” (fourteen individuals, each pair male and female), while for unclean animals, there was only one pair (two individuals total).

When the text says they came “two by two,” it is emphasizing their orderly entry rather than contradicting the more detailed instruction about seven pairs of the clean animals. Multiple ancient Jewish and Christian commentators-such as those reflecting on early manuscripts and the Hebrew wording-note that “two by two” refers to the method by which they boarded, not the total count of animals for each category.



Harmonizing the Scriptural Accounts

• Genesis 6 outlines the basic preservation principle (two of every kind).

• Genesis 7 clarifies the special instruction to bring additional pairs of clean animals.

• Genesis 7:8-9 describes the orderly process of animals entering the ark. The animals came in pairs, but among the clean animals, there were seven such pairs.

The entire narrative aligns consistently once we recognize that the additional instruction for clean animals serves a specific worship and sustenance purpose.


Practical Implications

1. Preservation and Worship: Having seven pairs of the clean animals ensured they would be available for post-Flood sacrifices and for mankind’s eventual dietary needs, without wiping out their population.

2. Trust in the Specifics: The provision of extra clean animals highlights how the instructions given in Genesis are practical and purposeful. Each detail-often overlooked-shows foresight and care for the survival and worship needs of humanity.

3. Consistency of the Biblical Record: Rather than presenting a contradiction, these verses demonstrate layered instructions: a foundational command (two of every creature) and an additional directive for clean animals (seven pairs). Scholars often underscore these layers as typical of Hebrew narrative style, adding details progressively.


Conclusion

Bringing “two of every kind” into the ark is the sweeping command ensuring that no creature would be lost. Bringing “seven pairs” of clean animals is a more specific provision for future sacrifices and population stability of those creatures especially tied to worship.

Genesis 7:8-9’s phrase “two by two” describes the pattern in which the animals entered, not a limit on the total number of pairs for every species.

All these details harmonize within the text when read in context.

They reveal a careful, orderly plan and reinforce the internal consistency seen throughout Scripture.
This teaching affirms the thoroughness and purpose behind every divine directive, showing why multiple pairs of the clean animals were necessary, even as the overall pairs of unclean animals remained at one pair each.
OR all of that is later theology done to cover the fact that the redactor kept in two different versions of the story, either intentionally or not. But then you would have to admit that maybe the text is not divinely dictated but the result of human storytelling and writing over the course of time.
 
OR all of that is later theology done to cover the fact that the redactor kept in two different versions of the story, either intentionally or not. But then you would have to admit that maybe the text is not divinely dictated but the result of human storytelling and writing over the course of time.

Go way with you ... this cannot be piously true to rolling stones as dragging anchors ...
 
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