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revsdd said:
I actually read the Executive Order on the White House website, rather than listening to propaganda from "President Trump News" on You Tube. The Executive Order only applies to former employees of Executive agencies and as far as I can see it only prohibits them from lobbying Executive agencies. It doesn't prevent them from lobbying Congress. In short - since I suspect - as I said - that most lobbying is directed to the 535 people who serve as Senators and Representatives rather than to the Executive - the Executive Order you cite does diddly squat. Nice bit of spin though. Another alternative fact!
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CBC, FOX, ABC, Politico, Reddit, Washington post and other media outlets have reported on it, not just Trump news, I will give you I did not read the order, I guess the effectness will have to be seen
 
Mendalla said:
Evangelicals working through World Vision have joined the opposition to the executive order.

https://www.worldvision.org/about-us/media-center/letter-president-trump-executive-order-refugees
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the pope did as well, I find it interesting that alot of evangelicals are for him, have prophised for him , and alot are against him, It will be very interesting how his Presidency will play out

Pope Frances said:
The sickness or, you can say the sin, that Jesus condemns most is hypocrisy, which is precisely what is happening when someone claims to be a Christian but does not live according to the teaching of Christ. You cannot be a Christian without living like a Christian […] It’s hypocrisy to call yourself a Christian and chase away a refugee or someone seeking help, someone who is hungry or thirsty, toss out someone who is in need of my help.’

President Trump replied :

‘No leader, especially a religious leader, should have the right to question another man’s religion or faith […] They are using the pope as a pawn and they should be ashamed of themselves for doing so, especially when so many lives are involved and when illegal immigration is so rampant […] For a religious leader to question a person’s faith is disgraceful. I am proud to be a Christian.’
 
It will play out with an early impeachment. Even the staunch republicans must be starting to cringe now.
 
There are already several court orders from several federal judges in states from Massachussetts to New York to Virginia ordering that parts of the Executive order be suspended, and from what I'm reading the Trump administration is refusing to comply - or at least they aren't complying fully. That in itself could be considered grounds for impeachment. This isn't Bill Clinton lying about whether or who he had sex with. This is a president who's flat out refusing to acknowledge the authority of the judicial branch of the United States government. That's dangerous. That violates the very concept of the separation of powers and checks and balances that the authors of the Constitution built into the system to guard against tyranny.
 
revsdd said:
There are already several court orders from several federal judges in states from Massachussetts to New York to Virginia ordering that parts of the Executive order be suspended, and from what I'm reading the Trump administration is refusing to comply - or at least they aren't complying fully. That in itself could be considered grounds for impeachment. This isn't Bill Clinton lying about whether or who he had sex with. This is a president who's flat out refusing to acknowledge the authority of the judicial branch of the United States government. That's dangerous. That violates the very concept of the separation of powers and checks and balances that the authors of the Constitution built into the system to guard against tyranny.
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I agree with that, that's what makes it a democracy , power is spread.

But My Clinton comment was suppose to be a joke o_O
 
chansen said:
Faith that even Republicans will do the right thing, having exhausted all other alternatives. Faith that popular demonstration works in sufficient numbers.

Appeasing the bastard is what he wants. You don't give a bully what he wants. You make him as uncomfortable as possible. You turn the tables on him.
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I don't think so. You are ignoring what the science says about dealing with a mind like his. I've been noticing that he doubles down on whatever protesters are protesting. He lashes out from his emotional injury, rather than consider their point of view. With an everyday bully without immense power there'd be less at stake in fighting him. I get no satisfaction seeing him hurting. And even less, seeing what he does when he lashes out and how that hurts others.
 
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Obama had to have seen this coming from a mile away...but even Obama didn't get in his face (his passivity in this situation surprised me) when they were together. I don't think it's because he agreed with all of Trump's ideas. I think it's because he's met a few strongmen types and takes a more diplomatic approach.
 
Waterfall said:
And on our side of the border....5 shot to death in a Quebec City mosque....which will only fuel the fire for Trump to use our country as an example of terrorism because of our "open doors".
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And the White House Press Secretary just used that Quebec City example to support the travel ban. He sidestepped the question of why Saudi Arabia and Egypt (where Trump has business interests) weren't included in the ban.
 
blackbelt1961 said:
Neo, you could be be right, its still to be seen, I think your wrong though, but then again I might be wrong .

the main stream media shows all the protests , what the dont report on is all the marches for Trump, pro life march is an example, no coverage
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Where are all these marches for Trump?
 
Kimmio said:
I don't think so. You are ignoring what the science says about dealing with a mind like his. I've been noticing that he doubles down on whatever protesters are protesting. He lashes out from his emotional injury, rather than consider their point of view. With an everyday bully without immense power there'd be less at stake in fighting him. I get no satisfaction seeing him hurting. And even less, seeing what he does when he lashes out and how that hurts others.
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I get extreme satisfaction from Donald Trump hurting. This is not a child. There is no "science" here because we don't have a real diagnosis. Science does not enter into this.

There are limits to what he can do through Executive Order. Pence is a religious nutcase, but at least he's a predictable nutcase. Trump is incredibly dangerous. Many voters are experiencing regret for their ballot right now. Trump has to go. And if opposing Trump destabilizes him, all the better. There is too much at stake.

Kimmio said:
Do like Obama, who said "if you come up with a better idea we'll support it."
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That goes without saying. Right now, families are separated. Soon, people will be without health care. Donald Trump is doing what he said he would do. All the rhetoric that people thought was hyperbole, is coming true. And then some.

Make him feel the heat. More importantly, make Republicans desert him. Evaporate his bubble down to Kellyanne Conway and Steve Bannon. Leave them thrashing about on an island.
 
chansen said:
I get extreme satisfaction from Donald Trump hurting. This is not a child. There is no "science" here because we don't have a real diagnosis. Science does not enter into this.

There are limits to what he can do through Executive Order. Pence is a religious nutcase, but at least he's a predictable nutcase. Trump is incredibly dangerous. Many voters are experiencing regret for their ballot right now. Trump has to go. And if opposing Trump destabilizes him, all the better. There is too much at stake.


That goes without saying. Right now, families are separated. Soon, people will be without health care. Donald Trump is doing what he said he would do. All the rhetoric that people thought was hyperbole, is coming true. And then some.

Make him feel the heat. More importantly, make Republicans desert him. Evaporate his bubble down to Kellyanne Conway and Steve Bannon. Leave them thrashing about on an island.
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There's no diagnosis - you gonna fall back on that to justify your fighting approach now? It's a very good thing your job is not a hostage negotiator or something where you may not have a diagnosis but clearly a crisis - and have to apply psychology. In many ways, yes he is like a child. If he cannot comprehend the purpose of protest and it only makes him feel isolated - then it is an exercise in futility.

The whole thing - Trump and his reactions and the consequences and people's anger at him...it is all painful to watch.
 
I am not saying that they shouldn't use the proper channels and processes in government.

Personally, I would be quite happy to see him go back to the TV entertainment and real estate biz. I'd be happy for him and everyone.

However...for now, tread softly. Elon Musk is being wise.
 
blackbelt1961 said:
well for one , the pro march rally, the only coverage was fox news
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Where did you get that? Oh, probably from the David Muir interview where Trump claimed - falsely - that the dishonest media doesn't cover the March for Life. While it's true that the Women's March got far more coverage than the March for Life (understandably since it was an unprecedented massive protest against a president on the day after that president took office, whereas the March for Life is an annual event and therefore perhaps not as "newsworthy") it's simply wrong to say that it got no coverage except from FOX. Here's a selection, based on the results found on the first page of Google searches on "CNN (or any network) March for Life":

From CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/26/politics/march-for-life-need-to-know/

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/27/politics/trump-march-for-life-call/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/27/politics/gallery/march-for-life-2017/

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/01/27/mike-pence-entire-march-for-life-rally-sot.cnn

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/01/28/mike-pence-march-for-life-keilar-dnt-tsr.cnn

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/01/27/march-for-life-rally-keilar-ip.cnn

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/27/politics/mike-pence-march-for-life-speech/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/26/politics/pence-to-address-march-for-life-in-person/


From CBS:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/march-for-life-attendees-express-hope-for-trump-presidency/

http://cbsnews.cbs.com/pictures/anti-abortion-proponents-in-march-for-life/2/


From NBC:
http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news...pence-tells-march-for-life-rally-864492099796

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/watch-live-march-for-life-864069187758

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/dc-s-march-life-highlight-gains-abortion-opponents-n712906


From ABC:
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/march-life-draws-huge-crowds-washington-45102965


From PBS:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/signs-fridays-march-life/

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/watch-live-mike-pence-speak-march-life/

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/live-march-for-life/


All the networks also had significant coverage from local affiliates, which I haven't included because I've just focused on what appeared nationally.
 
So, Obama has spoken in support of protesters and free speech. But he has not torn a strip off Trump while doing so. He has some credibility with Trump because he was respectful to him (and he is mature and wise enough to understand who he is dealing with).
 
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