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Neo said:
Being is Christian was just another "thing" to get them elected.
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Pence is a Christian, Neo. Many influential Christian leaders say Trump is one as well. I don't believe that, but Trump is surrounded by Jesus freaks. They aren't pretending. They actually believe this crap.
 
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unsafe said:
Neo ----your quote ----You didn't answer my question, so I'd like to ask you again: "are you concerned that the 1% is now in political control of the most powerful nation in the world?

This is my answer

Neo ---I worry for nothing ---worry is a form of negative meditation ---it is not from God -----I am way passed worry ----I keep all worry ---anxiety --stress ---fear --doubt and anger and any other bad emotions out of my good soil ----God will eventually right the earth He created His way so I leave all up to Him ---This fallen world belongs to Satan and will be in a hellish state till Jesus returns -----that is my belief ---all is in God's plan ----

So Neo worry away if you want to --I choose not to ------Peace in your body bring health ---worry will only bring negative affects upon ones health ----Down the road the 1% you worry about in control will no longer be in control -----Jesus will be in control ---and Jesus will be the most powerful in all the nations -----there will be no Nation that is the most powerful ------there will be only a most powerful Person -----Jesus Christ ---so why worry ---All who have not the Holy Spirit indwelling in them have a corrupt nature ----They are acting as they should act with the nature they have ----dishonest,unscrupulous,dishonorable,unprincipled,unethical,amoral,untrustworthy,venal,underhanded,double-dealing,fraudulent,bribable,criminal,

1 Peter 1:23 KJV: Being born again, not of corruptible seed ... - Bible Hub
biblehub.com/kjv/1_peter/1-23.htm -----

cor·rupt
kəˈrəpt/
adjective
  1. 1.
    having or showing a willingness to act dishonestly in return for money or personal gain.
    "unscrupulous logging companies assisted by corrupt officials"
    synonyms:dishonest,unscrupulous,dishonorable,unprincipled,unethical,amoral,untrustworthy,venal,underhanded,double-dealing,fraudulent,bribable,criminal,
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So you are not concerned at all that the current US administration is corrupt, dishonest, unscrupulous, etc? I'm sure the millions of Muslims, Mexicans, gays, blacks and non-Christians in America don't share your indifference.
 
Kimmio said:
I think we need to remember that he can't help who he is. Then, it's less stressful.
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Good idea. Next time I'm trapped in a room with a serial killer, I'll remember that he can't help who he is. Anxiety gone.
 
chansen said:
Good idea. Next time I'm trapped in a room with a serial killer, I'll remember that he can't help who he is. Anxiety gone.
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He can't help who he is. That's pretty clear. Skillful negotiators are required. Protestors riding roughshod into a dicey situation really might not be a good idea - although I understand their reasons. He's not going to listen to anyone he perceives insulting him. He has a lot of power...just sayin', because it's true regardless of whether we like it. Time to stop denying the reality. So, what does the science say?
 
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Neo--- your quote So you are not concerned at all that the current US administration is corrupt, dishonest, unscrupulous, etc

That is right -----The current US administration that are not True Christ--ians ----are acting as they should as I pointed out in above post ---we are all born from corruptible seed -----Jesus paid the price to change our Nature to incorruptible seed it is our choice to accept the change in our nature or not ---- we have free will to choose to be corrupt or incorrupt in our nature ----all up to us
 
unsafe said:
Neo--- your quote So you are not concerned at all that the current US administration is corrupt, dishonest, unscrupulous, etc

That is right -----The current US administration that are not True Christ--ians ----are acting as they should as I pointed out in above post ---we are all born from corruptible seed ...
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Yet you loved the statement that the mainstream media missed the mark of predicting the election? I guess playing both sides of the fence is one way of guaranteeing you'll be right half the time.

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Neo said:
Yet you loved the statement that the mainstream media missed the mark of predicting the election? I guess playing both sides of the fence is one way of guaranteeing you'll be right half the time.

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Halve a heart? Missin the other piece as stilled ... then some say you can't Deis of a broken heart ?
 
Luce NDs said:
Halve a heart? Missin the other piece as stilled ... then some say you can't Deis of a broken heart ?
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The "heart" is on one side of the fence, the "body" the other. The "fence" is both spiritual and material.
 
Neo said:
The "heart" is on one side of the fence, the "body" the other. The "fence" is both spiritual and material.
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Kind 've like a tapestry of dualism! One way'errs wouldn't like that ... too complex ... Ja'Nous can you imagine?

Leads to blown Jazzes a' la toute --- Gabriel! B' des tilled my mind and thus cultivation ...
 
chansen said:
But you won't take it on. You'll talk in circles and be critical of me if I'm confrontational.

It's almost depressing.
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Hi chansen,

Sorry if the circle talk leaves you uncertain of my meaning. I much prefer riddles to edicts.

I suspect the narrative record of this place will show that I have been supportive of and encouraged by your confrontation of error specific to religion. I highly value difference of perspective as a means by which my own may be refined and brought to maturity. What I challenge is your rhetorical tone. The belittling of others by resort to demeaning labels. This does not bother or unsettle me in any way. I offer my sentences only to give you a way of seeing how you are perceived by this member of the observant circle.

The resort to argument which simply dismisses or belittles the person holding a contrary point of view will not serve our shared hope for healthy air and water well. It simply perpetuates the pernicious patterns of conflict by which human history is vexed.

The best person to speak about how I take on the problem of State Church collusion is my partner in life. She is the one who answers the phone when I call from some city jail where I have been taken for expressing my deep convictions symbolically in the public square. She is the one who had to explain to her colleagues in the University culture why George was arrested in some public demonstration or personal action. Its a long story and I will not bother you with the whole of it. There are many persons in many parts of Canada who know it well.

As to the Church. United Church folk here have a pretty clear picture of my posture specific to institutional religion. I have been critical of its polities and practices from well before my ordination. I was hired by the United Church with their full awareness of what I took to be truth and what I intended to do in the face of falsehood. This intention is grounded in my life long history with diverse religious narratives, including the Christian Bible. The latter being a text I engage with disciplined critical consciousness.

A core narrative of the Bible is focused on the abuse of religion and politics by which persons and places are exploited and oppressed. A primary example is Egypt. The Exodus narrative is grounded in history but expressed metaphorically. The pattern is repeated in the experience of Israel under the jurisdiction of a succession of Monarchs and Priests. Those who said, "You have a problem. You have to admit you have a problem and tackle it head on. You can't continue to pretend it doesn't exist. It's right in front of you.", were not well received. That is what the Jesus story is about. A plain person, with no qualifying credentials, calling religious and political powers into question. For which he is murdered by persons exercising those religious and political powers.

With gratitude for your presence and perspective, by which I am supported and encouraged going forward along my chosen way.

George
 
Heh, heh ... in the cycle of nuances does Nous tra'L humour affect the politic of opposition?

Reciprocal engines?

Make ph'un in a way nun understands without a'dept ... the other will explain ...indubitably with futility to the status quo ... thus co coo' sin the nesting ... a variant of anis ... Mocking Birds!

Words to research ... they are a spectre of variation over time ...
 
GeoFee said:
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A core narrative of the Bible is focused on the abuse of religion and politics by which persons and places are exploited and oppressed. A primary example is Egypt. The Exodus narrative is grounded in history but expressed metaphorically. The pattern is repeated in the experience of Israel under the jurisdiction of a succession of Monarchs and Priests. Those who said, "You have a problem. You have to admit you have a problem and tackle it head on. You can't continue to pretend it doesn't exist. It's right in front of you.", were not well received. That is what the Jesus story is about. A plain person, with no qualifying credentials, calling religious and political powers into question. For which he is murdered by persons exercising those religious and political powers.
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Good thing I'm faster than Jesus, then. Just make sure God knows that my blood is of no better quality than anyone else's. I don't want him getting any ideas.
 
Neo --your quote ----The "heart" is on one side of the fence, the "body" the other

Well that might be the way it is in your Religion ------but in the Following of Jesus -----the heart ( Spirit) can be on the right side of the fence ---the soul can be is on the wrong side of the fence and whatever side the soul is on the body is on ------your body moves to your right or wrong thoughts ---So the body by itself can't be on the other side of the fence it has to be accompanied by the soul ----our physical body is a vehicle to move to put our right or wrong thoughts into action ------the goal is to line your thinking (soul) up to follow your right heart (spirit) and your body will fall in line -----So all 3 are lined on the same side of the fence either the light side or dark side ----when you have a division in your spirit and soul the Book of James says you are double minded and unstable in all your ways -----Many call themselves Christians and like to wear the T-Shirt but when it comes to walk the talk they show their true selves -----Politicians included -----The Bible God's Word is used to swear in the President of the US of A ---it is used in Court to swear to tell the truth ---they say --So help me God ---then after swearing to be truthful and do the right things they all go their own crooked ways ----and God says this about those types of people ---Hypocrites - True Christ--ians will do God's will not their will ----God will be involved in their right decision making ---

Mark 7GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
Jesus Challenges the Pharisees’ Traditions

6 Jesus told them, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites in Scripture:
‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7 Their worship of me is pointless,
because their teachings are rules made by humans.’


This is from Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_office_of_the_President_of_the_United_States

Use of Bibles[edit]
By convention, incoming Presidents raise their right hand and place the left on aBibleor other book while taking the oath of office. In 1789, George Washington took the oath of office with analtarBible borrowed from theSt. John's Lodge No. 1, Ancient York Masons lodgein New York, and he kissed the Bible afterward.[17][18]Subsequent presidents up to and includingHarry Truman, followed suit.[19]Dwight Eisenhowerbroke that tradition in 1953 when he said a prayer instead of kissing the Bible.[20]
Theodore Rooseveltdid not use a Bible when taking the oath in 1901.[21]BothJohn Quincy AdamsandFranklin Pierce[22]swore on a book of law, with the intention that they were swearing on the constitution.[23]Lyndon B. Johnsonwas sworn in on a Roman CatholicmissalonAir Force One.[24]Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower, Richard Nixon, George H. W. Bush , Barack Obama and Donald Trump each swore the oath on two Bibles.[21]
"So help me God"[edit]

unsafe says
You can swear on all the Bibles you want but without the Holy Spirit indwelling in you what your swearing to do will be fruitless and of no effect in my view
 
Mendalla said:
At least one major Christian leader has the cajones to call Trump out:

http://bipartisanreport.com/2017/01...g-an-intolerant-racist-awaiting-twitter-rant/

Also this:

http://www.ucc.org/news_faith_leaders_condemn_trumps_ban_on_refugees_as_un_american_01262017

If Trump is speaking for Christians at all, it's one specific group, not the faith as a whole. And those opposed aren't being quiet about it.
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GLad to hear , Pope Francis didn't declare that he loves Trump.
 
Trump has suddenly become very anti-abortion. On that scale, he is the Catholic choice. Never mind that the shared Trump, Republican and Catholic position on abortion and sex ed actually increases abortion rates and especially unsafe abortions. But with the probable defunding of Planned Parenthood (who offer way more services than just abortions) you get everything else that comes with Donald Trump. Gee, hope they're happy.

Though, many obviously are.
 
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