Pope says Jesus death at the cross was a failure

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Is a huge miss understanding ... an large outside thingy ... like Webster defined intellect? Tis beyond emotional spirituality!

 

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What do you think it means?

Do you really want to know Waterfall? Do you think western religion is ready for it? Do you think the patrons of this forum are ready for it?

While it can be described from many points of views, I'll approach it from the view of a book that I'm currently reading.

Clement of Alexandria once said, "The path of souls to ascension lies through the twelve signs of the Zodiac... the descending path is the same".

Hercules, that divine hero of Greek mythology, was tasked to walk that path, and the twelve labours he undertook symbolized, in pictorial form, the same path, the same labours, that each of us need to walk if we are to become "a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ". It is the path that separates the lower, carnal self from the higher and soul/spirit Self within, e.g. the potential God within. It is the path of liberation and salvation, upon which the words "sacrifice" and "service" become the predominant hallmarks of relative perfection.

The cross is intimately connected to the Zodiac. In fact there are 3 main crosses, of which the 2nd "Fixed" Cross is referenced many times in the Bible. And it appears, within all likelihood and reason. that the 12 disciples are also associated with the 12 signs of the Zodiac. And it is no coincidence too that the resurrection of Christ is celebrated by Christians during spring, for the sign Aries represents new beginnings and even, cosmically speaking, creation itself. Which had to be the thought behind the words "The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world", from Revelations XIII, for Aries is the sign of the Ram or the Lamb. It was also the constellation the Sun was passing through, or on the cusp of, two thousand years ago.

As I said above, I have my doubts if western, orthodox religion can accept this kind of interpretation, but it is what it is. I quote below from the book "The Labour of Hercules". It may not answer the secret of the cross, for such a secret can only be relayed via direct experience, but it should provide much food for thought.

The subject of the Cross is too vast a one to be elucidated here. The cross within the circle is one of be most ancient of the world's symbols, antedating the Christian era by thousands of years. The cross is originally formed by the interplay between the twelve signs of the Zodiac. There are in the Zodiac thirty-six crosses, for each sign is divided into what are called three decanates, which used to be known as "the thirty-six crossing stars". The Zodiac is completed with 360 degrees, the square of 90 degrees is one fourth of the circle, creating the four corners, which is the cross within the circle.

There are, however, three main crosses which in their symbology represent the three divine aspects, Spirit, Soul and Body. They are as follows:

1. The Cardinal Cross, consisting of the four constellations:

a. Aries - Creation, commencement.
b. Cancer - The first door into existence.
c. Libra - The balance between life and form.
d. Capricorn - The door into spiritual life.

This is the cross of Spirit or of the initiate and it is interesting to note that the word "cardinal" comes from a Latin word meaning "the hinge of a door". The word "door" enters much into the concept of discipleship and it implies the period preparatory to passing through the door or gate of initiation. Here we have the idea of the door through which the Cosmic Christ passes at the end of the age when the heavens and the earth are dissolved and God's plans are consummated.

2. The Fixed Cross, consisting of the four constellations:
a. Taurus - Illumination. Mind.
b. Leo - Individuality. Self-consciousness.
c. Scorpio - The final freeing from illusion.
d. Aquarius - Server of the race, pouring out the living water of purification.

This is pre-eminently the cross of the soul and of real interest because it is the cross of the disciple Hercules. He personified these four signs, and was crucified upon this Fixed Cross. These four signs are regarded in our Christian belief as the Sacred Four and we find them presented to us in the four living creatures of the prophet Ezekiel. These four had the face of a man, Aquarius; the face of a lion, Leo; the face of an ox, Taurus; and the face of an eagle, Scorpio. Aquila, the Eagle is astrologically interchangeable with Scorpio. They are symbolized again in the four evangelists, and in the four beasts of Revelations. This cross is the cross of all world saviors, and the cardinal cross is that of Deity, crucified in the water of space.

3. The Mutable or Common Cross, consisting of the four constellations:

a. Gemini - The interplay between higher and lower.
b. Virgo - The form which nurtures the Christ child.
c. Sagittarius - The aspirant, speeding towards the goal.
d. Pisces - Death. Consummation. The World Saviour.

This is the cross of everyday life to which all the sons of men are subjected. It is the cross of daily crucifixion and of difficulty and symbolizes the incarnation period of growth and development through the medium of form and its use. In these three crosses is summed up the story of the Cosmic Christ, God crucified in matter, of Hercules and of all disciples, and of the average human being. They constitute the totality of the twelve signs.

 

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The door to eternal life is thus capricious ... touchy subject with those that wish to control the whole thing ... even in whole they all wish to be free aD Libre ... thus the add liþ allowing the fringe to fall off ... or into ... that mystical oblivion?

Everything needs a rest even god ... thus psych somnolence ...