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Weigh everything against the Gospel of the Kingdom
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This vid is the most bang spot on vid of an explanation of what we are meant to be

And most will skip over it
 
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timothyu said:
This vid is the most bang spot on vid of an explanation of what we are meant to be

And most will skip over it
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In other words, Jesus mostly talked about the Kingdom of God that can be found spiritually dwelling inside of us and outside of us through our service to others and when we find this, eventually the kingdom of God will be on earth.
 
Waterfall said:
In other words, Jesus mostly talked about the Kingdom of God that can be found spiritually dwelling inside of us and outside of us through our service to others and when we find this, eventually the kingdom of God will be on earth.
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If I can summarize your summary, doesn't it all just boil down to "Don't be a dick?"

I mean, all the rest is just fluff and conjecture.
 
chansen said:
If I can summarize your summary, doesn't it all just boil down to "Don't be a dick?"

I mean, all the rest is just fluff and conjecture.
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I think it might be hard to achieve when most humans, including myself, wouldn't be able to see themselves as being " the dick".....in other words, using themselves as "the bar" to reach for.
 
Waterfall said:
I think it might be hard to achieve when most humans, including myself, wouldn't be able to see themselves as being " the dick".....in other words, using themselves as "the bar" to reach for.
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And what do we see from Christians? Even if you suppose the "correct" version of Christianity isn't the common one, the fact remains that popular Christianity seems to, more often than not, result in "Let's all be dicks."

So what's the great thing about Christianity when it forever seems to move in this direction, despite what I'm told the message really is?
 
No great thing. Misdirection. It is the message that is important, not a religion about the man.
 
timothyu said:
No great thing. Misdirection. It is the message that is important, not a religion about the man.
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I agree with you. But when I see non-Christians act more Jesus-like than Christians, I don’t think Jesus would require anything else. The message spreading using the jargon, becomes redundant - it’s excess decoration - and only causes friction. It comes across as arrogant. If you know it’s the right thing to do, do it. That’s enough of an example to spread.

What Jesus really wanted was healthy (caring) societies that exist in peace.
 
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No great thing. Misdirection. It is the message that is important, not a religion about the man.
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Same question. What's the great thing about *the message* when it forever seems to move people in this direction, despite what I'm told the message really is?
 
timothyu said:
It is the message that is important, not a religion about the man.
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And there's the rub. What is THE message? There's a lot of words in those scriptures, a lot of rules and guidelines and orders, but some of them contradict, and the core rule - to love godde and to love neighbour as self - is the golden rule common to ALL religions.
 
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is the golden rule common to ALL religions.
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Not really. The so-called Golden Rule that is common to many (not all) religions and philosophies is "do to others as you would have them do to you" (which Jesus teaches in Luke 6:31) or in some cases its negative ("do not do to others that which you would not have done to you"), not "love God and your neigbour as your self", which comes from Jesus' teaching on the greatest commandment in Mark 12:28-31. The Golden Rule can certainly be derived from loving your neighbour but does not actually require it and there is no need for belief in a God for one to follow the Golden Rule. It actually requires self-love and then the realization that the best way to have right relations with others is to treat others the way you treat yourself. You can dislike your neighbour but still treat them as you wish to be treated in the interest of having right relations with them. It is arguably both an easier and tougher row to how than "love thy neighbour".
 
Mendalla said:
Not really. The so-called Golden Rule that is common to many (not all) religions and philosophies is "do to others as you would have them do to you" (which Jesus teaches in Luke 6:31) or in some cases its negative ("do not do to others that which you would not have done to you"), not "love God and your neigbour as your self", which comes from Jesus' teaching on the greatest commandment in Mark 12:28-31. The Golden Rule can certainly be derived from loving your neighbour but does not actually require it and there is no need for belief in a God for one to follow the Golden Rule. It actually requires self-love and then the realization that the best way to have right relations with others is to treat others the way you treat yourself. You can dislike your neighbour but still treat them as you wish to be treated in the interest of having right relations with them. It is arguably both an easier and tougher row to how than "love thy neighbour".
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THough the Love God, Love Neighbour which Christianity proclaims as coming from Jesus is really very JEwish in origin. Not only is it based on two passages from Torah (Deuteronomy 6 and Leviticus 19) but there are reports of other Rabbis over the centuries using the same language to encapsulate the Law.

AS for the Golden Rule...
 

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GordW said:
THough the Love God, Love Neighbour which Christianity proclaims as coming from Jesus is really very JEwish in origin. Not only is it based on two passages from Torah (Deuteronomy 6 and Leviticus 19) but there are reports of other Rabbis over the centuries using the same language to encapsulate the Law.

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Gord, I wondered whether someone would be thoughtful enough to place that up there ... I couldn't as I've been labeled as something other ...
 
Gord, that poster hangs in our church and it's what I based my statement on. Differences in phrasing can lead to a variety of interpretations, none of them generally a bad idea. Even Wiccans have a sorta golden rule phrase, "An' [as long as] it harm none, do as ye will"
 
It is bewitching what appears good to one is bad news to another ... so they will not hear of it!

Question is, with the miasma, which is properly stood in the agenda?

Agendas are often said to have underlying portions ... down erse? There we were caught up Innuit!

Perhaps the man was right ... life is just a stage ...
 
BetteTheRed said:
Gord, that poster hangs in our church and it's what I based my statement on. Differences in phrasing can lead to a variety of interpretations, none of them generally a bad idea. Even Wiccans have a sorta golden rule phrase, "An' [as long as] it harm none, do as ye will"
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Exactly Bett. And the bible version being the worse one. It should be called the tin rule.
 
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