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Kimmio Laughterlove said:
I’m sorry. I can only imagine.

Has there been an increase in targeted hate crime where you live?
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There's been a couple incidents in London but nothing like the ones we've seen out West. Mercifully, Mrs. M hasn't had to deal with any herself but it's been buzzing around her various Chinese chat groups (mostly on WeChat). One thing people probably don't realize is that anti-Chinese sentiment and actions were already building long before Covid, it has just made things worse. Chinese academics and researchers losing grants and positions, being investigated, and that sort of thing. It's mostly in the States but there have been incidents here, too. That Conservative going after Dr. Tam was just the tip of a very big iceberg in North America.
 
Mendalla said:
There's been a couple incidents in London but nothing like the ones we've seen out West. Mercifully, Mrs. M hasn't had to deal with any herself but it's been buzzing around her various Chinese chat groups (mostly on WeChat). One thing people probably don't realize is that anti-Chinese sentiment and actions were already building long before Covid, it has just made things worse. Chinese academics and researchers losing grants and positions, being investigated, and that sort of thing. It's mostly in the States but there have been incidents here, too. That Conservative going after Dr. Tam was just the tip of a very big iceberg in North America.
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I don't think I've seen the PM or Ford addressing this, have they?
 
Waterfall said:
I don't think I've seen the PM or Ford addressing this, have they?
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The PM has spoken out a couple times, including when Derek Sloan took that shot at Tam. Don't recall anything specific from Ford.

The ones I am disappointed with are Scheer and other senior Conservatives who refused to slap down Sloan. He should be out of the race now but no one in the party, not even his opponents, said boo about it.
 
Mendalla said:
The PM has spoken out a couple times, including when Derek Sloan took that shot at Tam. Don't recall anything specific from Ford.

The ones I am disappointed with are Scheer and other senior Conservatives who refused to slap down Sloan. He should be out of the race now but no one in the party, not even his opponents, said boo about it.
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I'm sorry your family or anyone's family has to deal with this.....when it comes down to it, the perpetrators aren't really racist, they're small, scared people that are too afraid to look at their own lives.
 
A few Conservatives, including Peter McKay, Scheer and Sloan signed a letter or some initiative in conjunction with human rights activists, including representatives of the Chinese Canadian diaspora...they want to use the Magnitsky Act (which I thought was a US law?) to hold the Chinese government accountable for their handling of the covid crisis. Unfortunately, Sloan having any part of that just confuses the point with racism. I know going after the Chinese government is likely going to be used as a political point scorer for Conservatives. At the same time, shouldn’t it be held accountable?

Here’s more about the government accountability issue in Maclean’s. The racism problem is in confusing the actions of a country’s government with those of its people, or with people whose families originated there but are not even from there themselves!

www.macleans.ca

China was in violation of International Health Regulations. What do we do now? - Macleans.ca

As we look towards a post-coronavirus world, we must seek accountability for the human toll and economic devastation that this virus has wrought
www.macleans.ca www.macleans.ca
 
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People have to learn to separate the country and the ethnicity. Just because you are Chinese in origin doesn't mean you (a) are from mainland China or (b) support the government there even if you are.

There is a huge Chinese diaspora (overseas Chinese they are called by China) and one can be Chinese and be from just about any country on Earth. One can be Chinese and have no connection whatsoever to the People's Republic of China.

Theresa Tam, for instance, has no connection to the People's Republic. She was born in Hong Kong under British rule, grew up and did her medical training in the UK, and finally ended up in Canada. So in spite of Derek Sloan's ignorant racist ravings, she has no loyalty to Beijing and has, in fact, been a subject of the Crown her entire life.

I feel the same about Israel. One can criticize the actions and policies of the Israeli government without resorting to anti-Semitism or being anti-Semitic.
 
Mendalla said:
People have to learn to separate the country and the ethnicity. Just because you are Chinese in origin doesn't mean you (a) are from mainland China or (b) support the government there even if you are.

There is a huge Chinese diaspora (overseas Chinese they are called by China) and one can be Chinese and be from just about any country on Earth. One can be Chinese and have no connection whatsoever to the People's Republic of China.

Theresa Tam, for instance, has no connection to the People's Republic. She was born in Hong Kong under British rule, grew up and did her medical training in the UK, and finally ended up in Canada. So in spite of Derek Sloan's ignorant racist ravings, she has no loyalty to Beijing and has, in fact, been a subject of the Crown her entire life.

I feel the same about Israel. One can criticize the actions and policies of the Israeli government without resorting to anti-Semitism or being anti-Semitic.
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I agree. I was going to say the same thing re:criticizing the Israeli government.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
Question: why are they using ventilators so much when almost nobody survives if they've been put on a ventilator?
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.....because they are in a state that they can’t breath on their own anymore.....?
Or: As Covid attacks other organs, heart and kidneys, patients get treated with a lot of drugs for example to control the heart rate, the kidney function, the fever, the infection. I am not that familiar with ICU medicine, but I could imagine that severely sick people might be put in an artificial coma, which means they would be ventilated in that state.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
Question: why are they using ventilators so much when almost nobody survives if they've been put on a ventilator?
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Here's a good article that answers some basic questions:

www.pbs.org

Why ventilators are increasingly seen as a 'final measure' with COVID-19

Health care providers are concerned that anxious Americans don't understand what it means to go on and then come off a mechanical ventilator, how the machines are being deployed in U.S. hospitals and the necessity of using this information to decide what you would want should you become...
www.pbs.org www.pbs.org
 
We haven't heard much (or maybe others have but I haven't) about Trump and Native Americans (other than name calling of Elizabeth Warren), but, no surprise, he's been awful.

One of the striking stats in this article is that half of coronavirus (as the US refers to covid) deaths in New Mexico are Native Americans, who make up only 11% of the population.

nymag.com

The Coronavirus Makes Trump’s Cruelty Toward Indian Country Even More Deadly

Trump’s enmity for Native Americans dates from his casino days. During the pandemic, it has deadly consequences.
nymag.com nymag.com
 
Waterfall said:
Here's a good article that answers some basic questions:

www.pbs.org

Why ventilators are increasingly seen as a 'final measure' with COVID-19

Health care providers are concerned that anxious Americans don't understand what it means to go on and then come off a mechanical ventilator, how the machines are being deployed in U.S. hospitals and the necessity of using this information to decide what you would want should you become...
www.pbs.org www.pbs.org
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This is a very good article.Important to make clear to people to have a personal directive that explains what you want. Reminds me to review mine and update it. One of my colleagues said ( she is younger than me), if I end up in ICU on a ventilator, I do not want CPR. I don’t want to be ventilated with broken ribs. I never thought of that. Broken ribs are common after being reanimated.
What I also did not think about was the PTSD after that experience.
The question how long you would want to be on the ventilator and if you want a feeding tube. You will need a feeding tube through your stomach after about three weeks, because the one they put through your nose will start to get stuck there ( grow into you), so they have to do a solution that can be more long term. This is also a decision that needs to be made if someone can’t eat because of swallowing issues after a stroke. It is good to stress the importance to have those decisions made ahead of time, because it is really stressful for family to decide if you get fed or not as most people will find it cruel not to feed you.
However, if your stroke was so severe that recovery is unlikely, having another operation rather than going palliative is a stress you might want to avoid.
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
This is a very good article.Important to make clear to people to have a personal directive that explains what you want. Reminds me to review mine and update it. One of my colleagues said ( she is younger than me), if I end up in ICU on a ventilator, I do not want CPR. I don’t want to be ventilated with broken ribs. I never thought of that. Broken ribs are common after being reanimated.
What I also did not think about was the PTSD after that experience.
The question how long you would want to be on the ventilator and if you want a feeding tube. You will need a feeding tube through your stomach after about three weeks, because the one they put through your nose will start to get stuck there ( grow into you), so they have to do a solution that can be more long term. This is also a decision that needs to be made if someone can’t eat because of swallowing issues after a stroke. It is good to stress the importance to have those decisions made ahead of time, because it is really stressful for family to decide if you get fed or not as most people will find it cruel not to feed you.
However, if your stroke was so severe that recovery is unlikely, having another operation rather than going palliative is a stress you might want to avoid.
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I think there needs to be more training for even nurses that work in nursing homes and retirement homes. Sitting down with families and residents that are able to understand, this should be part of the explanation for directives, especially with COVID increasing the chances that one could require a ventilator......I think many might choose otherwise if they heard the reality and how hard it would be on the elderly.
 
Waterfall said:
I think there needs to be more training for even nurses that work in nursing homes and retirement homes. Sitting down with families and residents that are able to understand, this should be part of the explanation for directives, especially with COVID increasing the chances that one could require a ventilator......I think many might choose otherwise if they heard the reality and how hard it would be on the elderly.
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This is usually done by physicians in the hospital- and if they need help with it there are social workers. Considering how busy nurses are, I don’t think they are the right profession to do this.
 
I also caution people not to panic about medical interventions

many people use feeding tubes short term. Feeding tubes are often replaced. It’s perhaps not the funnest experience but it happens frequently. They get accidentally yanked out. Yes in dwelling tubes are inserted but that too is not something you can’t overcome. Just like IV for the short term. Or an I’ve for long term which is a indwelling line. People go on ventilators and get off. People have heart attacks and strokes and do well after

it is different if you know you have other health issues and that your end is nigh

and it is reasonable to say that in a catastrophic event you don’t want life saving care. Ie. if you are 85 and have a devastating strike with no hope of recovery, you don’t want life saving care

but if you get a bad infection that is recoverable, I wouldn’t be too quick to throw in the towel. I worry people will start to panic
 
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