There's imperfect/ imprecise. Then there's flat out skewed using bad methodology and terrible math.
Novel Coronavirus
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Northwind
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It's also imperfect and imprecise because this is such a new virus. They're learning as they go here. That's a good thing. I'd be more concerned if they were maintaining a constant narrative.
(I'm agreeing with you here.
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Mrs.Anteater
Just keep going....
I spoke with my sister in Germany today. They have an interesting system set up. Everybody has heard of the covid positive people who are isolating at home with mild to moderate symptoms and then suddenly get worse and die at home. Germany has created Covid doctor’s offices. Everybody tested positive gets assigned to one of the offices and the physician in the office has to check in with each patient once a day and potentially have them come into the office or goes on a home visit, to determine if the patient has to be admitted to the hospital and avoid these kind of scenarios.
Mendalla
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That's a great idea. Another German innovation we should look at.
BetteTheRed
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Ever met a German solar panel company? Frigging amazing tech background. They're half a gen ahead of us and it shows.
There are some points I agree with here, made by Nikola Danaylov (familiar name but I can't remember why) and others. I guess another way I'd put it is to remember that the experts' and officials' jobs are to work for us, we the people, not the other way around. So, we need to listen to their warnings and advice but not just passively hand over control of our democracy or entire lives and future plans indefinitely.
“Let’s be honest here, we are talking about mortality of maybe between one in 1,000 or one in 100. We still don’t know, but we’re not talking the Great Plague. We’re not talking about nuclear war or three degrees of climate change or artificial intelligence gone rogue or super-enhanced transhumans wreaking havoc, which are all possibilities futurists ponder every day. We’re talking about a relatively weak story that scared the hell out of people, and scared me because it scared people so much that I didn’t expect it would be so profound.”
But we need to be actively engaged in our future. Increased surveillance everywhere, apps for contact tracing may be best for the common good, he says. “But it is the public — us — not the experts and not the politicians who have to ultimately decide,”he adds.
“We need to dig our heels into the ground and say we’re not simply going to accept a ‘new normal’ without debate and discussion and a vote.”
nationalpost.com
“Let’s be honest here, we are talking about mortality of maybe between one in 1,000 or one in 100. We still don’t know, but we’re not talking the Great Plague. We’re not talking about nuclear war or three degrees of climate change or artificial intelligence gone rogue or super-enhanced transhumans wreaking havoc, which are all possibilities futurists ponder every day. We’re talking about a relatively weak story that scared the hell out of people, and scared me because it scared people so much that I didn’t expect it would be so profound.”
But we need to be actively engaged in our future. Increased surveillance everywhere, apps for contact tracing may be best for the common good, he says. “But it is the public — us — not the experts and not the politicians who have to ultimately decide,”he adds.
“We need to dig our heels into the ground and say we’re not simply going to accept a ‘new normal’ without debate and discussion and a vote.”
After the COVID-19 crisis ends, what does our 'new normal' look like?
There are several possible scenarios as our world tumbles through this pandemic
nationalpost.com
Ritafee
Is Being Human
And another way you put it ...
"They’re not talking points, they’re agreed upon protocols for what needs to happen where...steps for opening to be loosened or retracted as the cases are monitored, until the vaccine. The vaccine can’t come fast enough. Your railing against a vaccine for this is crazy. As if you don’t care how many it kills, just don’t tread on your precious free-dumb. If the virus spiked where you are and started killing people you know, you would be pointing the finger toward some other conspiracy, but not your own folly. Like a typical American libertarian republican. I’m so tired of their selfishness and how it’s like a freakin cult.
I am in a pissy mood. I want things to open up but I don’t want it done recklessly based on conspiracies about Bill Gates. We need a World Health Organization because we live in one world and breathe the same air. We need standardized collaboration between diverse countries on matters of human health."
Their warnings and advice are valid right now. There's mostly a worldwide public consensus on that because we are not out of the woods yet, and there's no vaccine yet. And if they opened everything up at once people would travel and crowd together again, and undo all the hard work we've done to halt the virus 'naturally' (without specific drugs or a vaccine).
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That said, we do need to protect human rights and civil liberties and recognize this as an acute temporary situation and be careful not to let powers take advantage of their power while we're vulnerable. The situation is fertile ground for abuse of power...that does make me nervous...at the same time, the virus is serious and does need to be contained.
There's difference between being mindful of the possibility of powers being opportunistic, taking advantage of an already bad situation for their own gain - and deciding it was a planned conspiracy.
There's difference between being mindful of the possibility of powers being opportunistic, taking advantage of an already bad situation for their own gain - and deciding it was a planned conspiracy.
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Where I am, social distancing began as voluntary and people-led and there has not needed to be much stepping in and enforcement of the law. If we had military police on street corners I would be worried they're abusing power. But we don't, here.
And not every small business even wants to reopen yet.
Hairstylists signed a petition asking NOT to be among the first to open.
vancouversun.com
Hairstylists signed a petition asking NOT to be among the first to open.
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Ritafee
Is Being Human
Sometimes seeing what’s coming next is just a question of listening to what the planners are telling us.
There is a second wave of Covid-19 coming in the next few months.
We don’t have to speculate about this.
We have heard this from all manner of scripted politicians and health “authorities” repeatedly over the past few months.
“We’re not going back to normal” revealed the waves of lockdown and release to condition us into the Corona World Order.
Bill Gates reaffirmed it in his latest “GatesNotes” on “The first modern pandemic.”
Pandemic planners have warned of a second (3rd and 4th and 5th) wave of this crisis so many times it is a 'virtually guaranteed' occurrence.
Such a second wave of sickness could actually occur, if only because -- as the infamous Dr. Dan Erickson noted in his banned video - people emerging from their lockdown isolation will have lowered immune systems and thus be more susceptible to pathogens of all kinds... (crazy talk)
Whatever happens, the plandemic agenda-pushers are going to blame this second wave on any evil, dastardly protesters who dared to complain about being put under house arrest in the first place.
Horrible, heartless killers who dare to question lockdown orders imprisoning the healthy to protect the also imprisoned not so healthy.
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As if you don’t care how many it kills, just don’t tread on your precious free-dumb. If the virus spiked where you are and started killing people you know, you would be pointing the finger toward some other conspiracy, but not your own folly. Like a typical American libertarian republican. I’m so tired of their selfishness and how it’s like a freakin cult.
I am in a pissy mood. I want things to open up but I don’t want it done recklessly based on conspiracies about Bill Gates. We need a World Health Organization because we live in one world and breathe the same air. We need standardized collaboration between diverse countries on matters of human health."
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Heaven forbid the ...
Detestable, disgusting disease-spreaders who refuse to meekly accept an enforced medical tyranny!
Stupid, ignorant selfish people who are putting the lives of the un-vaccinated masses on the line!
How dare anyone exercise a right to peacefully assemble and demand a redress of their grievances!
Better the whole world starve than let one more person die of natural (or unnatural) causes surrounded by loved ones!
Better to afford everyone to die alone hooked up to essential artificial respiratory devices for as long as possible!
You are not the only one that is in a "pissy' mood ...
Garry's 90 year old uncle (who still drives and is very active and sociable) just called to say the 'world is getting pretty stupid' ... he was quite upset that he has not been allowed to visit his brother (Garry's 97 year old father) who is 'being held prisoner' in an assisted living facility. These two brothers are selfishly enamored of going out together for haircuts and shaves and grocery shopping trips ... now they are being kept 'safe' from each other against their will. They have both recently lost their wives.
But oh well ... better to die safe and at home alone ... than to be selfish and demand allowance to quality of life at such an advanced age during ...
“The first modern pandemic“ ... Bill “Pandemic Planner” Gates :
- "Melinda and I grew up learning that World War II was the defining moment of our parents’ generation. In a similar way, the COVID-19 pandemic—the first modern pandemic—will define this era. No one who lives through Pandemic I will ever forget it. And it is impossible to overstate the pain that people are feeling now and will continue to feel for years to come."
Bill is calling this Pandemic I. WHO must start planning for Pandemic II.
Buckle up and hang in there folks ... stay safe now ... and maybe ... just maybe ... life might still be worth living for some ... Later?
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Ritafee
Is Being Human
Experts warn that deaths from secondary impacts – poverty, hunger, diseases, and violence exacerbated by the pandemic – may dwarf the number of those who die of the coronavirus itself.
A new analysis by researchers from King’s College London and Australian National University, under the aegis of the United Nations University World Institute for Development Economics Research, for example, warns that the economic contraction caused by Covid-19 could push an additional 500 million people – about eight percent of the earth’s population – into poverty, reversing 30 years of economic improvement. “We were surprised at the sheer scale of the potential poverty tsunami that could follow Covid-19 in developing countries,” said Andy Sumner, one of the study’s authors.
Not surprisingly, such financial fallout has grim knock-on effects. “I want to stress that we are not only facing a global health pandemic but also a global humanitarian catastrophe,” warned David Beasley, the executive director of the United Nations World Food Program. “Millions of civilians living in conflict-scarred nations, including many women and children, face being pushed to the brink of starvation, with the specter of famine a very real and dangerous possibility.”
A new study by the WFP found that lockdowns and the economic recession caused by Covid-19 may exacerbate an already dire worldwide hunger crisis, almost doubling the number of people who could go hungry ...
pushing a total of 265 million people to the brink of starvation by the end of the year.
Global Impact of Covid-19 May Include More Poverty, Hunger
International experts warn of humanitarian catastrophes as the fight against the novel coronavirus draws resources from other health campaigns.
theintercept.com
Go to the front lines of the ER in NYC and tell the doctors and medical staff risking their lives to save people whose lives are in acute danger that this is all Gates' fault, it's not a real pandemic, and to stop their "medical tyranny" because your uncle can't go for a haircut with his brother. Broaden your perspective...people have lost brothers and sisters and dads and moms and all types of relatives and friends to this. But you never met them so I guess your spouse's uncle's contentment is more important. That's the problem with libertarians, they only favour their own, who cares about everyone else - they can fend for themselves, sink or swim, with no government support system in place if they don't have family to look out for them.Experts warn that deaths from secondary impacts – poverty, hunger, diseases, and violence exacerbated by the pandemic – may dwarf the number of those who die of the coronavirus itself.
A new analysis by researchers from King’s College London and Australian National University, under the aegis of the United Nations University World Institute for Development Economics Research, for example, warns that the economic contraction caused by Covid-19 could push an additional 500 million people – about eight percent of the earth’s population – into poverty, reversing 30 years of economic improvement. “We were surprised at the sheer scale of the potential poverty tsunami that could follow Covid-19 in developing countries,” said Andy Sumner, one of the study’s authors.
Not surprisingly, such financial fallout has grim knock-on effects. “I want to stress that we are not only facing a global health pandemic but also a global humanitarian catastrophe,” warned David Beasley, the executive director of the United Nations World Food Program. “Millions of civilians living in conflict-scarred nations, including many women and children, face being pushed to the brink of starvation, with the specter of famine a very real and dangerous possibility.”
A new study by the WFP found that lockdowns and the economic recession caused by Covid-19 may exacerbate an already dire worldwide hunger crisis, almost doubling the number of people who could go hungry ...
pushing a total of 265 million people to the brink of starvation by the end of the year.
Global Impact of Covid-19 May Include More Poverty, Hunger
International experts warn of humanitarian catastrophes as the fight against the novel coronavirus draws resources from other health campaigns.
(Sarcasm)
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Then...there are real problems that are unintentionally leading to a kind of medical tyranny, due to an absence of medical care that was miscalculated in some areas, like BC, where the numbers of covid patients were far lower than they planned for. It says here, also, that dozens of people in Ontario have died due to cancelled surgeries. That's obviously not right either. Many of them seem more necessary than elective surgeries and should not have been cancelled. They need to course-correct on that calculation error, pronto, so as not to sacrifice more lives of sick people who don't have covid, who need urgent care. One of the main rationales for distancing and isolating was to not flood the hospitals with covid cases all at once, and so everyone could be looked after. They need to make good on their word, because it's concerning how many non-covid patients are needlessly at risk.
www.ctvnews.ca
'He never got a chance': B.C. man dies after surgery cancelled due to COVID-19
Hospital protocols surrounding the cancellation of surgeries are being called into question after a B.C. man died waiting for surgery that was cancelled due to COVID-19.
www.ctvnews.ca
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Ritafee
Is Being Human
So my 97 year old father in law being imprisoned in MB is saving lives in NY then. I'll let him know. Thanks for the heads up.
Your father in law should be allowed out for exercise, not imprisoned. Getting a haircut at a shop with his brother is adding another layer of risk to him, his brother, and potentially the barber, the barbers family, and the community...if they let everyone do it. Then, if they were to open up travel, there’s a much higher risk of someone coming from NY, a returning local or tourist, some asymptomatic or presymptomatic covid carrier, going to the same barber, or going to the supermarket where that barber or that barber’s family, shops. That’s how it spreads and kills people...because we are interconnected (and right now it’s not safe to be physically interconnected everywhere)...people your father in laws age...but also plenty of people in their 40s-60s, and younger folks with weakened immune systems.
Not to mention...if the barber caught it from another customer, your elders could bring it back to their nursing homes and put all the residents and staff at risk. Would your father in law still want to go for a haircut if it meant endangering everyone at his residence? That said...he should be offered some kind of outings and visits where safe distance can be maintained. Maybe just not his typical routines.
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Maybe your father in law being quarantined, and travel of the staff where he works, restricted, is saving lives in NY, by not bringing more cases there. And maybe your father in law being quarantined “from” potential travellers/ spreaders out in the community is saving the lives of people where he lives and their families. That’s why they can’t open up everything too quickly.
@Ritafee here’s what’s opening back up in your province tomorrow. Haircuts included. These services and businesses have been deemed safe enough to reopen...proof that the measures are not forever, but require gradual lifting, and monitoring. (In BC many hair cutting businesses do not even want to reopen yet, even if they can.)
winnipeg.ctvnews.ca
The businesses Manitobans can visit beginning tomorrow
Earlier this week, Manitoba Premier Brian Pallister outlined the province's plan to begin reopening some non-essential businesses beginning on Monday.
winnipeg.ctvnews.ca