Nothing we do changes God's love for us

[GeoFee]

The greatest gift we give to our world is the determination to be the best we can be. This not to achieve the fullness of life but to express its presence at the heart of our being. We are sowers of seed as we walk along the way of our life.

 

[Northwind]

That's another new one Red. I like it.

As you know my career was spent working with people, many of whom were oppositional in nature. They had been shamed and condemned much of their lives. When they were treated with grace, they were more likely to bloom and grow. Isn't that the way most of us respond to grace? I can tell you that if I told them what they had to do and how to live their lives, I would have had more opposition.

I wish we could see and experience grace more often. We most certainly can do our part and act with love and grace.

 

[Northwind]

Using religion/the bible/god to shame and condemn is not acting out god's love.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Unsafe, I think we're have a definition problem.

Unconditional means "without conditions". It's the definition of the word.

So your list above of the list of God's conditions details for us exactly the conditions under God will love us. So God's love is clearly conditional on all kinds of human thoughts and behaviours.

So your answer to the OP is "disagree". There are tons of things we can do or not do, or say or not say, or think or not think, that will change God's mind about whether God loves us or not.

 

[GeoFee]

That's another new one Red. I like it.

As you know my career was spent working with people, many of whom were oppositional in nature. They had been shamed and condemned much of their lives. When they were treated with grace, they were more likely to bloom and grow. Isn't that the way most of us respond to grace? I can tell you that if I told them what they had to do and how to live their lives, I would have had more opposition.

I wish we could see and experience grace more often. We most certainly can do our part and act with love and grace.

This rings true with me. At Grace Memorial we formed personal relations with survival sex workers addicted to crack. Our positive regard brought out hidden aspects of those lives. They were persons just like us deep inside.

 

[Northwind]

This rings true with me. At Grace Memorial we formed personal relations with survival sex workers addicted to crack. Our positive regard brought out hidden aspects of those lives. They were persons just like us deep inside.

Isn't it cool to see that. Sex workers in particular have usually had more than their share of crap happen to them during their lives. They are usually battered and bruised with a resilience that allows them to survive. We can learn a lot from them.

 

[revjohn]

And here is a quote from John Piper -----so I am not alone in my belief
John Piper - Jesus doesn't love everybody the same

John Piper is a Calvinist.

Did you know that before you found yourself agreeing with him?

 

[Luce NDs]

A sad unsought after sight?

 

[revjohn]

And if we think John Piper is full of it? I mean, supporting your position by appeal to someone everybody already knows you follow doesn't really help your case. Just confirms where you're getting your ideas from at most.

Except both unsafe and Pontifex Geronimo 13 do not hold Calvinism in high regard.

And as I point out Piper is a Calvinist.

 

[Luce NDs]

What we need is more Blues and dark essence of singing sad songs on the lighter side ... these may be found under the light of Midnight Sun ... don qui of another shade ... found in the aboriginal medicine wheel!

 

[revjohn]

Do you believe this is true? That God's love is absolute and nothing we do can diminish or increase it?

Yes. I believe it.

God's love is absolute. If anything changes it is how God chooses to express that love.

That expression basically falls into two ultimate forms. Grace, in which we get better than we deserve or Justice, in which we are rewarded precisely what we deserve.

Most lives experience grace and justice in smaller measures on a day to day basis according to what God deems most necessary for the task at hand. We are spectacularly poor at being unable to distinguish one from the other in the milder expressions.

 

[Waterfall]

Yes. I believe it.

God's love is absolute. If anything changes it is how God chooses to express that love.

That expression basically falls into two ultimate forms. Grace, in which we get better than we deserve or Justice, in which we are rewarded precisely what we deserve.

Most lives experience grace and justice in smaller measures on a day to day basis according to what God deems most necessary for the task at hand. We are spectacularly poor at being unable to distinguish one from the other in the milder expressions.

I have a question, and I hope it doesn't sound too silly but would a man be justified to kill his wife if she stopped loving him? There are many stories in the Bible that have God killing people for their disobedience and lack of love for Him....is this Gods loving justice? If the man that killed his wife did the same....is he following God or is he wrong and disturbed? Why is it okay for God to call it justice but not the man,? We are taught to follow right?

 

[unsafe]

I agree with John Pipers statement here -----that doesn't mean I agree with his Religion of Calvinism -----
John Piper - Jesus doesn't love everybody the same

 

[unsafe]

Just posting last 2 paragraphs of this article ---read all for yourselves ----and note --the bottom paragraph that says ---that God loves Christians in a different way then non Christians ----another agreement on John Piper's statement and mine ----

https://www.gotquestions.org/unconditional-love.html

Also important is the fact that God’s unconditional love does not mean that everyone will be saved (see Matthew 25:46). Nor does it mean that God will never discipline His children. To ignore God’s merciful love, to reject the Savior who bought us (2 Peter 2:1), is to subject ourselves to God’s wrath for eternity (Romans 1:18), not His love. For a child of God to willfully disobey God is to invite the Father’s correction (Hebrews 12:5–11).

Does God love everyone? Yes, He shows mercy and kindness to all. In that sense His love is unconditional. Does God love Christians in a different way than He loves non-Christians? Yes. Because believers have exercised faith in God’s Son, they are saved. The unconditional, merciful love God has for everyone should bring us to faith, receiving with gratefulness the conditional, covenant love He grants those who receive Jesus as their Savior.

 

[Luce NDs]

Some say God is the word ... thus consider or process the word anoia:

anoia (uncountable)​

​

1. Extreme mental deficiency.
   1. (literally) Mindlessness.

Then consider the conjunction of "par" and not unusual ... and thus in this world of God's ... is mindlessness a possession ... or perhaps just OCD as related to possessions and possessiveness when people won;t let go of mindless processes?

Could we connect this to paranoia in Charlotte's web as she trashes amon's thought for a bit with a passionate venom? Never turn you back on widow's and orphan's int he myth ... it could be apore-ism ... and yule be left in the woods with a girl in cutty sark (and old celt expression for a skimpy chi MS ... sometimes spelled as chemise ... a night dress amounting to nothing as animus descends ... there is a female genre also-an!


Word is extensive and so much of it unknown as a icon of the essence of an un-conscience! There it was gone and unsaved as already fore gotten ... and the sol wonder who got it?

ay depend on the twist of the face ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Just posting last 2 paragraphs of this article ---read all for yourselves ----and note --the bottom paragraph that says ---that God loves Christians in a different way then non Christians ----another agreement on John Piper's statement and mine ----

https://www.gotquestions.org/unconditional-love.html

Also important is the fact that God’s unconditional love does not mean that everyone will be saved (see Matthew 25:46). Nor does it mean that God will never discipline His children. To ignore God’s merciful love, to reject the Savior who bought us (2 Peter 2:1), is to subject ourselves to God’s wrath for eternity (Romans 1:18), not His love. For a child of God to willfully disobey God is to invite the Father’s correction (Hebrews 12:5–11).

Does God love everyone? Yes, He shows mercy and kindness to all. In that sense His love is unconditional. Does God love Christians in a different way than He loves non-Christians? Yes. Because believers have exercised faith in God’s Son, they are saved. The unconditional, merciful love God has for everyone should bring us to faith, receiving with gratefulness the conditional, covenant love He grants those who receive Jesus as their Savior.

The darker ones are kept in the hart lands ... to draw upon as the need arises ... often in the depth of the night when small flames erupt ... a sin to those that try to confine it as possessed!

What we don;t know when engulfed by possessive love is like a curse ... and thus a kind of phobic psychosis about what is unknown ... extensive indeed but something face in the terminal condition of consequence. Some say it all comes back as flashback ... a burning meme? Supports the empty mind theory ... and the mindlessness can travel like Pal all a'Din (Paladin for short form, dwarfed) material chaos about winning the complexity instead of unified cooperation? Small myths add up ...ignore nothing because nothing can haunt in the essence of ... all A Great Ado ... about Ide ...

Resembles a parody about flint and irony ... therein a spark ... some conjunction may be cosmological ... cosmetic in appearances as manifest Eire ... prepare for change ...

Poe Mice ole a gap in the wall ... excess de void?

 

[Mendalla]

Religion of Calvinism -----

Nitpicky point: Calvinism is not a religion. It is not even a denomination. It is a theological stream or school of thought within Christianity.

 

[Luce NDs]

Everything needs a good story ... have a myth prepared and conjured for the leaving experience ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Nitpicky point: Calvinism is not a religion. It is not even a denomination. It is a theological stream or school of thought within Christianity.

Theological stream of thought ... al la phesh ... Hebrew sol! Tis a dark sight ... thus rite of passage ...

A balance of neurotic and psychotic in the dream world ... thus wheat dreams with the scythe Ur ... it is how it is cut out ...

Bier with Heh as sigh ... could be the bubbles whispering ... or a dark whine fore Moor ... Cutty Sark! Torn asunder ... Patch Adam's humour ... tis good for the sol ... pore lei recognized by the over cereus ... wack 'd!

Some deis it may hit or impact you with the consequence ... inky buss state ... opposing the Yellow Buss Syndrome ... Pisces? Could be a sun phesh ... Pan dem IHC! drives old folks into dis cussed matter ...

 

[revjohn]

I have a question, and I hope it doesn't sound too silly but would a man be justified to kill his wife if she stopped loving him?

Thou shall not commit murder is still in play or not?

Such a man could obviously self-justify. Would God be convinced? I think not.

There are many stories in the Bible that have God killing people for their disobedience and lack of love for Him

God doesn't see these as two different things. It is more of a continuum. Love translates into obedience. Disdain translates into disobedience.

The conversation is muddied by the addition of eternal torment. Death is difficult to reconcile with Justice if the punishment is not considered commensurate.

is this Gods loving justice?

It may be an act of graciousness. We aren't in a position to evaluate.

If the man that killed his wife did the same....is he following God or is he wrong and disturbed?

Presuming thou shall not commit murder the man is not following God. He may or may not qualify as disturbed. He may qualify as evil.

Why is it okay for God to call it justice but not the man?

God is sovereign. Creation belongs to the Creator.

The man is not. The Creature is dependent upon Creation not Lord over it.

We are taught to follow right?

That is a tad simplistic. Follow the commands we have been given. Not presume the same freedoms as the Sovereign Creator.

We are, in essence instructed to stay in our lane.