Myth and Fiction Are Not the Same

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Witch said:
Myth, in the anthropological sense, deals specifically with the subject matter, and says nothing about the veracity of the story.
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Exactly even though it is all fiction. There is never any real attempt to state the myths are in fact fiction, there is also no attempt to justify mythical narratives or even to render them plausible. All myth represents themselves as an authoritative, factual account, no matter how much the mythical event is in conflict with natural laws or reality.
 
Pavlos Maros said:
All myth represents themselves as an authoritative, factual account, no matter how much the mythical event is in conflict with natural laws or reality.
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Really? Aesop's fables present themselves as factual? The parable of the Good Samaritan claims to have actually happened?

That's exactly what myth does NOT do. It claims to hold important truths, but that's not the same as a fact.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Really? Aesop's fables present themselves as factual? The parable of the Good Samaritan claims to have actually happened?

That's exactly what myth does NOT do. It claims to hold important truths, but that's not the same as a fact.
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But Aesops fables can hold important truths too.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Really? Aesop's fables present themselves as factual?
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Really never come across that. A book with talking animal and insects much like winnie the pooh, is factual! Well winnie the pooh does have facts in it. So it to presents itself at factual.
BetteTheRed said:
The parable of the Good Samaritan claims to have actually happened?
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Seriously Bette it comes from the bible!
BetteTheRed said:
That's exactly what myth does NOT do. It claims to hold important truths, but that's not the same as a fact.
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And so do books of fiction. Which Aesops fables and the bible are. What about all the facts in "A thousand and one nights", or "Harry Potter" if the claim is that myths contain important truth then they must be myths too.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Absolutely. Truth is present in story. It's the oldest way by which humans communicate. Do you like Neil Gaiman?
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Yes. Are you now saying that myth and fiction are the same. (which is correct by the way) Has it isn't what you said in the initial post of this thread.
 
No, because "fiction" encompasses that mindless crap known as "true crime", "harlequin romance", etc.

I think there's a difference between a repeated, mindless, trope, and some of the wisdom found in "story". I love Chekhov, for instance.
 
Fiction allows my imagination to shift into another dimension. There I encounter the author’s assorted signs and symbols. These resonate with the signs and symbols of my remembered and present experience. This permitting me to learn and grow.

Much of how I present my view on our historical moment is rooted in the realm of science fiction. Asimov’s notice, in his Foundation trilogy, of every planetary system and the emergence of nuclear power. Those planets which rightly use nuclear power will go on in time and space. Those which do not self-destruct. This opened my inner eye to see our predicament.... and our opportunity.

A story just came to mind. Not sure if the author is Gogol or Checkhov. A fella wakes up, opens his eyes and sees his nose going out the bedroom door. He jumps up to follow his nose. Sees it going out the front door and to the curb. A cab comes by and the nose rides off. The story narrates the fella attempt to get back his nose.

Much of my life learning is deep rooted in story and song. Began in the womb of my mother and continued a strong formative force in our home and in her caring presence.

George
 
My mothering abilities are dubious, in many ways.

However, my reading skills are exemplary, and my children also heard poetry and Shakespeare in the womb, T.S. Eliot in infancy, JRR Tolkien very early on, plus serious dollops of Munsch and Dr. Seuss. They were both great at "Poetry in the Round" competitions in their school.
 
BetteTheRed said:
I get this feeling, Pavlos, that we're cross-communicating in some way.
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Maybe so. But you have to admit that even "true crime" or "harlequin romance" has as much truth present within their stories as any mythical story. That is my point. Myth and fiction are the same authors of the story.
 
Pavlos Maros said:
Maybe so. But you have to admit that even "true crime" or "harlequin romance" has as much truth present within their stories as any mythical story. That is my point. Myth and fiction are the same authors of the story.
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On this we are sure not to agree as we are mysteriously and awesomely made to view mystery from the opposing side and thus the sub Dude ... burned right into a hole by the fire tender ... this may be be represented by the Latin "esh" ƪ seeming like a ball of light on a stick ...
rising in a rush without digestion ...
Hart burn ...
co-operation just doesn't get along well with rising authority Ober Salts Berg ...
as cool old salts ...
they have implications around waters --- Ste Phini?
 
To be blissfully stunned is heaven. And, because we don't know anything for absolutely sure, it is intellectual and mystical enlightenment.
 
Hermann said:
To be blissfully stunned is heaven. And, because we don't know anything for absolutely sure, it is intellectual and mystical enlightenment.
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I find it a great relief that I know nothing for sure. The burden of information is exponential and overwhelming. I'd rather be in the present where I can just let it go for a moment. Always great to hear from you, Hermann.
 
Thus uncertain reality gives portions of the eternal (everything) an occasion of rest from the whole thing! Creating a forgetting of the entire outside force that becomes ... dark and mysterious ... even unknown ... and thus we trudge onward ... unless mysteriously you are still on the inward bound pilgrimage.

Ever get the dark feeling that you've been there, done that? Altruistically ... kind of out there ... to those that are determined as the glory of the Sun Dais ... quite opposite the Midnight Sun which indicates some reflection of a come back or turn around in the stoned position.

After that we're off into the primally forgotten ... that makes for a good story on the uncertain ... reminds me of the comparison to chios, deos and theo-Z ... sigma or stigmatized by myths from powerful sources ... d'Q 'elle ... like a thorn in the hind ... a burr in the hyperbole, a chilling ride!

First unravel hyperbole ...

Is the dark force evil, dangerous, or just immensely curios as the cognizance of the everlasting psyche ... an extensive mythology?

Still we remain unknowing and yet many declare to be all knowing ... godly apostolic? Now there's a revelation that is disturbing ... turbulent Nanos ... Hola in another strange tonge! Orthodox folks hate alien words especially when in flight ... can one fight MS Understanding?

It might strike you different as wacked or waxing restful after lengthy intercourse! Thus the Flower Drum Song ... Cereus in another tongue ... or even a Cactus Flower ... it'd be OHM' Aryan Fabulous tapestry ... night light? Mysterious ... like el UV ... compose Ur's elves ... but you can't say it! Thus the rite drags on ... the people that study the far east call it orientalist! Really it is an alternate way of dragon wisdom along so few will know in the isolationist occidental regions that bite ... that's dog maw ...

What goes on in the social mind is alternate to that going on in the individualized psyche that hasn't socialized yet to the heavenly rye ... bear and fuzzy as a mad hatter ... Surry Fringe?

May be still way ahead of the cowboys and cowgirls struggling with the beef about connection in the networking of the unseen ...

May resemble cobwebs in Merlins dungeon ... d' evils cause why pain teaches a sense of alert ... and Kohl under the Alaskan Sun ... 6 fete under?
 
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