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The clown nose is a great anchor as it makes light of those that are secure with power ... and not so much with thought and intelligence. Such stuff scares the Gods to death ...

I've seen GEO with that satyr ... a few times here in NB. Means more to me than all those that follow the rule of God's representatives without question about if they are really representative of a greater love or just dark avarice!

Then Hermes is said to be a messenger between gods ... the light of the miracle called awareness ... of a larger cognizance for the poor folk than following the powerful blindly ...

Tis a comment that probably isn't that well understood in simple darkness ... and then the soul of knowledge is a myth 've cognizance right ... and thus greater gods are in the dark ... thus the humble formless ... a type of rheology in a beam/Rae! Thus de Rae Ma in the blind eye ... us the imaginary part and make believe it is abstract ... it may come down ...
 
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Caged, a stage play collaboratively written by 28 male inmates, is a raw portrayal of life behind bars, written in the voices of those who are living that experience firsthand, often with no end in sight.

"These artists, who often exist on the margins of mass culture, are our unheeded prophets.”

It seems to me that Jesus was 'directed by God' to experience firsthand what it was like to be human and live on the margins of mass culture.

@unsafe Does it not seem possible to you that George has that same directive? Don't we all?
 
Caged, a stage play collaboratively written by 28 male inmates, is a raw portrayal of life behind bars, written in the voices of those who are living that experience firsthand, often with no end in sight.

"These artists, who often exist on the margins of mass culture, are our unheeded prophets.”

It seems to me that Jesus was 'directed by God' to experience firsthand what it was like to be human and live on the margins of mass culture.

@unsafe Does it not seem possible to you that George has that same directive? Don't we all?

Probably unbelievable to those sure of salvation by something they haven't seen as virtue towards the unknown ...

Some folks do all they can to avoid experience of life in the ups and downs ... Celtic Spirituality on A' Moors ...
 
I have to laugh (otherwise I would have to cry) ... I think George, 'of his own calling', would have preferred to remain anonymous and go about his business of drawing 'good to good'. By stepping out of (dying to?) that will of his own - he is crucified daily. Don't talk to us about the poor - George - you stayed at the Fort Garry Hotel one night while you were preaching the virtue of poverty - did you not? Georges' re-telling of his experience of being arrested has finally made sense to me ... George tests the truth's to be found in the 'gospel' so that he can bring honest testimony forward. He 'dines' with princes and paupers - alike.
 
monk ---your quote ----It seems to me that Jesus was 'directed by God' to experience firsthand what it was like to be human

I agree totally with this statement -----the difference is --GeoFee broke the law and Jesus keep the laws ------GeoFee apparently assaulted a police officer ---Jesus never raised His hand to assault anyone ----His anger was righteous which always leads to a right result ----GeoFee,s spree ended in a brawl which led to him being taken in to custody and charged on 3 counts --- three charges in connection with the protest incident: Unlawful assembly, creating a disturbance and assaulting a police officer. -----do the crime do the time -----all sin has consequences ----Jesus was sinless and remained so under all persecution---

I believe GeoFee is a very good person but got caught up in his carnality state ---God says your either with me or against me -----there is no inbetween -----you can't mix God's ways with this world's ways ----the end result is what GeoFee experienced ----there are 3 types of man ---Natural Man ---living in this world as an unbeliever ----Carnal Man ---Born Again mixing God and this word ---unstable ---trying to serve 2 masters --Spiritual Man ---depends on the Holy Spirit for all spiritual matters and direction in this world ----up to us to mature from our carnal state to our Spiritual state ----and it is not an easy task ----it takes work and much practice as well as the hunger to attain it and keep growing -----
 
unsafe, how "lawful" do you think that Jesus was being when he overturned the tables at the temple. In anger, no less?

If we "always" obey the law, how do unjust laws get changed? Or do you argue that the fact that something is "law" makes it "right"? I don't see that connection.
 
BetteTheRed -----your quote ----unsafe, how "lawful" do you think that Jesus was being when he overturned the tables at the temple. In anger, no less?

Jesus had every right to turn over the tables ---and He never sinned in His anger as it was righteous anger He displayed -----

Question: "Was Jesus ever angry?"
Was Jesus ever angry?

Answer:
When Jesus cleared the temple of the moneychangers and animal-sellers, He showed great emotion and anger (Matthew 21:12-13; Mark 11:15-18; John 2:13-22). Jesus’ emotion was described as “zeal” for God’s house (John 2:17). His anger was pure and completely justified because at its root was concern for God’s holiness and worship. Because these were at stake, Jesus took quick and decisive action. Another time Jesus showed anger was in the synagogue of Capernaum. When the Pharisees refused to answer Jesus’ questions, “He looked around at them in anger, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts” (Mark 3:5).
 
GeoFee ---your quote ----The judge found me to be innocent on all counts. I will say more on this after my dinner.

Will wait to here this good news GeoFee ----
 
unsafe, how "lawful" do you think that Jesus was being when he overturned the tables at the temple. In anger, no less?

If we "always" obey the law, how do unjust laws get changed? Or do you argue that the fact that something is "law" makes it "right"? I don't see that connection.
Wasn't there some kind of whip he used in that exchange? Or was he just a little kinky?
 
It has been my experience that "righteous anger" and "un-righteous anger" look and feel pretty much the same, both internally and externally. If Jesus is fully human, how can he be "un-human"?
 
Hi unsafe,

It takes time to discover who the person we meet really is. Remember that sometimes angels come disguised as strangers. We do well in walking the second mile. Even should the one met along our way be an adversary. Even there we need not be concerned. All things work together for the good of those who love God and are called by the name of God revealed in the gospel of Jesus Christ the Holy Spirit.

God called Moses to intercede where the powers and principalities were exploiting and oppressing the children of God. In the same way God called the prophets where the powers and principalities were exploiting and oppressing the children of God. In terms of rebellion against the way of God there is no difference between Pharaoh and Solomon. Both sat at the table of power, profit, prestige, privilege and pride. They were both well served by religious persons who blessed their enterprise and in return were included at the royal table.

You may not like my prophetic denunciation of power used for profit at the expense of children, women and men here and everywhere. You may characterize me as a false teacher or a lost soul. Your judgement changes nothing. I am called by God to a purpose and I am obedient to that call. This not on the basis of approval from my peers. I do not seek any such approval. With many more now rising in the land I am not moved by external directive. We are motivated by the spirit of God which is quickened in us by the gospel of Jesus Christ.

The arrest was a form of state persecution. It was not aimed at me. It was aimed at the Anti Poverty Committee which had been harassing Premier Campbell at every available opportunity. Campbell instructed the police to round up the anti-poverty activists and serve them warrants. This was the circumstance when God prompted me to perform a symbolic action. At the critical moment, an order was made to arrest me. Evidence from sound and photographic materials verified this. They mistook me for a member of the Anti-Poverty Committee. I was locked in a van, driven to the jail. There I was physically abused. Stripped naked and forced to turn my bum towards two police officers holding batons. I was told to spread my bum cheeks. A ritual of sodomy subjecting me to the power of the state. For more than thirty hours I was kept under lock and key, with no permitted contact with the outside.

Following my release I did not call a lawyer. I called an Old Testament professor met while in seminary. We discussed the matter in the light of my prophetic understanding and responsibility. The professor supported my explanation and position. His wife was the president of the United Church conference. She wrote a letter to the state wondering what explanation there might be for what happened on the day of my arrest.

I began my defence by noting the names of Socrates and Jesus. Socrates because he was not familiar with the formalities of the courtroom and determined to simply speak truthfully regarding the charges against him. Jesus because he said faithful persons had a good chance on finding themselves before a judge someday. Jesus said that this should provoke no worry. The spirit would provide words adequate to the situation. I went on to say that I would speak truthfully about my actions and the motives for those actions.

After testifying I returned to my seat. A lawyer well respected for his social advocacy passed me a small note. It said simply: "I really must read that book again." This in reference to the Bible which informed my testimony to the judge. At another point a young mother was being interrogated by the Crown Attorney. After some general questions the Crown Attorney asked if the mother was not offended that a minister would act this way in public. The mother said if more ministers acted as I did she might begin bringing her children to church. You see the whole experience gave me opportunity to bear witness to the gospel of Jesus Christ in many ways and among many people. During the trial a fundraising social was held. There were about five hundred persons present. It was called "Everybody loves a Clown" and the posters had a picture of two police officers pressing my face against the concrete wall.

The Jesus I revealed in word and deed was very well received among persons of all kind seeking justice and a new world order. It was not well received by those conformed to the way of this world.

George

In the first verses you will notice that Jesus did break the laws of his people. Later on you will see that God does have a preferential option for the poor. This made very plain in the parable of the Rich man and the Beggar by his Gate.


"On a sabbath, while he was going through the grain fields, his disciples plucked and ate some heads of grain, rubbing them in their hands. 2 But some of the Pharisees said, “Why are you doing what is not lawful to do on the sabbath?” 3 And Jesus answered, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: 4 how he entered the house of God, and took and ate the bread of the Presence, which it is not lawful for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to those with him?” 5 And he said to them, “The Son of man is lord of the sabbath.”

6 On another sabbath, when he entered the synagogue and taught, a man was there whose right hand was withered. 7 And the scribes and the Pharisees watched him, to see whether he would heal on the sabbath, so that they might find an accusation against him. 8 But he knew their thoughts, and he said to the man who had the withered hand, “Come and stand here.” And he rose and stood there. 9 And Jesus said to them, “I ask you, is it lawful on the sabbath to do good or to do harm, to save life or to destroy it?” 10 And he looked around on them all, and said to him, “Stretch out your hand.” And he did so, and his hand was restored. 11 But they were filled with fury and discussed with one another what they might do to Jesus.

12 In these days he went out to the mountain to pray; and all night he continued in prayer to God. 13 And when it was day, he called his disciples, and chose from them twelve, whom he named apostles; 14 Simon, whom he named Peter, and Andrew his brother, and James and John, and Philip, and Bartholomew, 15 and Matthew, and Thomas, and James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon who was called the Zealot, 16 and Judas the son of James, and Judas Iscariot, who became a traitor.

17 And he came down with them and stood on a level place, with a great crowd of his disciples and a great multitude of people from all Judea and Jerusalem and the seacoast of Tyre and Sidon, who came to hear him and to be healed of their diseases; 18 and those who were troubled with unclean spirits were cured. 19 And all the crowd sought to touch him, for power came forth from him and healed them all.

20 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said:

“Blessed are you poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.

21 “Blessed are you that hunger now, for you shall be satisfied.

“Blessed are you that weep now, for you shall laugh.

22 “Blessed are you when men hate you, and when they exclude you and revile you, and cast out your name as evil, on account of the Son of man! 23 Rejoice in that day, and leap for joy, for behold, your reward is great in heaven; for so their fathers did to the prophets.

24 “But woe to you that are rich, for you have received your consolation.

25 “Woe to you that are full now, for you shall hunger.

“Woe to you that laugh now, for you shall mourn and weep.

26 “Woe to you, when all men speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets.

27 “But I say to you that hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. 29 To him who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also; and from him who takes away your coat do not withhold even your shirt. 30 Give to every one who begs from you; and of him who takes away your goods do not ask them again. 31 And as you wish that men would do to you, do so to them.

32 “If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you hope to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to receive as much again. 35 But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for he is kind to the ungrateful and the selfish. 36 Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful.

37 “Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven; 38 give, and it will be given to you; good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For the measure you give will be the measure you get back.”

39 He also told them a parable: “Can a blind man lead a blind man? Will they not both fall into a pit? 40 A disciple is not above his teacher, but every one when he is fully taught will be like his teacher. 41 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 42 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take out the speck that is in your eye,’ when you yourself do not see the log that is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother’s eye.

43 “For no good tree bears bad fruit, nor again does a bad tree bear good fruit; 44 for each tree is known by its own fruit. For figs are not gathered from thorns, nor are grapes picked from a bramble bush. 45 The good man out of the good treasure of his heart produces good, and the evil man out of his evil treasure produces evil; for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.

46 “Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you? 47 Every one who comes to me and hears my words and does them, I will show you what he is like: 48 he is like a man building a house, who dug deep, and laid the foundation upon rock; and when a flood arose, the stream broke against that house, and could not shake it, because it had been well built. 49 But he who hears and does not do them is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation; against which the stream broke, and immediately it fell, and the ruin of that house was great.”
 
Hi,

I am now aware that this conversation may not be consistent with the general theme and content of the thread. Do you think it should be moved?

George
 
Hi,

I am now aware that this conversation may not be consistent with the general theme and content of the thread. Do you think it should be moved?

George

It's @revsdd 's thread and he is a mod, so we can let him decide whether to move anything.
 
Is a clown a clown or just a rogue? Now was Jesus an angel in clownish robes, or a rogue sort of abstract?

Depends on the perspective of where you come from and whether you can be moved ... indicating emotion in staid people ... verily restricted by point of law ... for Hoos advantage?

Some processing may be required ...

As a point of curiosity: Last night at choir practice I was passed an article from The Trumpet ... in abstract it posed a question:
  • when presented a situation should a person regurgitate what you've been told without question?
  • Or, alternatively question the time, place and light of the situation as the light moves as grave as the situation may be with the law useful mainly to the rich and powerful ....
  • Thus Jesus humble departure under certain laws the authorities didn't like that moving situation ...
  • Many have no abode for abiding with irregularities as they appear unorderly in house! Worse than a bump in the log ... the great icon or code of myth about trees of logic ... excess emotion crowds logic and logos ... and thus it is ... lost in chaos ... a mental state?
 
The topic of this weeks post is James 4 which deals with this ---Carnal Christians ----verse 8 was singled out ----8 Come near to God, and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners! Purify your hearts, you hypocrites!


James 4 (GNT)
Friendship with the World
4 Where do all the fights and quarrels among you come from? They come from your desires for pleasure, which are constantly fighting within you. 2 You want things, but you cannot have them, so you are ready to kill; you strongly desire things, but you cannot get them, so you quarrel and fight. You do not have what you want because you do not ask God for it. 3 And when you ask, you do not receive it, because your motives are bad; you ask for things to use for your own pleasures. 4 Unfaithful people! Don't you know that to be the world's friend means to be God's enemy? If you want to be the world's friend, you make yourself God's enemy. 5 Don't think that there is no truth in the scripture that says, “The spirit that God placed in us is filled with fierce desires.”a]' data-fn="#fen-GNT-33364a">[a] 6 A)' data-cr="#cen-GNT-33365A">(A)But the grace that God gives is even stronger. As the scripture says, “God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”

7 So then, submit yourselves to God. Resist the Devil, and he will run away from you. 8 Come near to God, and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners! Purify your hearts, you hypocrites! 9 Be sorrowful, cry, and weep; change your laughter into crying, your joy into gloom! 10 Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up.

So for me anyway GeoFee this is on topic -----

Your Quote here ----God called Moses to intercede where the powers and principalities were exploiting and oppressing the children of God.

In the Old Testament God dealt directly with the people GeoFee -----You are not a Moses ---and God doesn't directly speak to people now unless we ask the Holy Spirit for help in Spiritual matters -----and direct our path --and the Holy Spirit will never direct us away from Go's word and will ----

If you personally think that you were directed by the Holy Spirit to do these thing --- Unlawful assembly, creating a disturbance and assaulting a police officer. -----and then use your Church to help the homeless which brought fear into a neighbourhood without considering what the neighbours might think if you were to bring the homeless into your Church ----then you go right ahead and think that ------We disagree on this issue ----and the scripture I posted above tells us who is responsible for fights --arguments and quarrels etc ----

Note --Not my Words God's words below

Friendship with the World
4 Where do all the fights and quarrels among you come from? They come from your desires for pleasure, which are constantly fighting within you.

unsafe says ----Carnal Christians ---try to mix the world with God ----you can't serve 2 master -----and that is all I have to say -----


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Thus the unsafe in Comfortable PEWS?

Makes the humble worms creep on the page ... or the door if ensconced there ...
 
unsafe said:
revjohn ----with all due respect to you ---I did a bit of research on this that GeoFee posted to do with the poor and I did find a sight that posted what happened as I wanted to understand more as to why this happened to GeoFee -----he himself brought this up in his post -----


No insult. I am aware of three separate incidents including GeoFee. All flow out of what he perceived his ministry to be.

In the one incident, he was roughed up pretty badly by the police. There is nothing to indicate that he resisted so there was no actual need for the police to treat him as roughly as they did. The court which heard the details of that particular incident agreed that the arresting officers had applied excessive force.

Whether you agree with GeoFee or not that he was exercising his ministry properly would be a different debate. I think that GeoFee was certainly provocative. I still cannot justify his being beaten by police for doing what he was doing. I mean, I loathe mimes as much as the next guy. I don't think being a mime justifies a police beating.

This took place while he was exercising ministry in Vancouver on the Lower East Side which is a pretty specific neighbourhood with very specific obstacles facing residents.

In the one incident at his congregation and the supports, he was offering to the people of the streets he faced discipline from the appropriate court of oversight. For some reason, and quite contrary to policy and procedure, a ministry review of GeoFee was called and canceled before a consideration of GeoFee's fitness for ministry could be ascertained. In other forae, I have been critical of what is clearly a violation of Church policy.

For the Church to begin a fitness review and abandon it is poor leadership. That they stopped the review and prevented him from returning to his pastoral charge while at the same time prevented him from accepting any call in the Conference is also quite an abuse of authority.

There is a third incident that happened while he was in New Brunswick. I am aware that he was escorted out of the Provincial Legislature (or off of the grounds of the Provincial Legislature the details are hazy--clown nose was involved this time as well).

Even now with a clearer detail of events nothing really changes the point I made earlier about GeoFee taking lumps (quite literally) for exercising his ministry.

Something few of us can actually testify to unless we include the ways others at Wondercafe have disagreed with us.


 
Are police "rough" evidence of the nature of harsh, powerfully inclined laws and loss of common sense in the vernacular?

Vernacular ... a word outlining the sense of demos, demographics and the host of pagans looked down upon from those on isles/hills ... Washington, Ottawa, e&c.? Tis near extra tares trial ... holy tares that declared the nose in a political situation was disrespectful of something or other ... and George was excluded ... as powers of modern Christianity do to a lot of small concerns ... people vs business as usual?

Good Lard can this be ...
 
unsafe said:
three charges in connection with the protest incident: Unlawful assembly, creating a disturbance and assaulting a police officer.


Points of fact. This is helpful in understanding the way the Criminal Justice System works in Canada.

1) Police may lay criminal charges against any individual(s) they deem to be breaking some statute in the Criminal Code of Canada.

2) Police did, as a matter of fact, lay three charges against GeoFee. This means, only, that in the judgment of the arresting officers GeoFee had broken the law.

3) Police may arrest any individual(s) they deem to be breaking the law if they believe that allowing those individuals to remain at large poses a significant risk to the safety of individuals within the community.

4) Police may use whatever force is reasonable to detain and arrest individual(s) they deem to be breaking the law.

5) Individuals charged are presumed innocent of any crime until their guilt is proven in a court of law.

So, unsafe, you know that GeoFee was charged with three counts. How many of those charges resulted in actual convictions? And which of those charges, in your eyes, permits police officers to handle him roughly?
 
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