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BetteTheRed----your quote ----You've just posted a great example. The Amplified Bible, passage above, actually gives TWO requirements for salvation - acknowledging Jesus AND speaking this acknowledgement aloud. The other two just require you to speak this belief aloud.

unsafe says ----Your Grasping at straws here BetteTheRed ---but that is just my view

unsafe posts what the Amplified Bible is about ------
Amplified Bible (AMP) - Version Information - BibleGateway.com

The AMP was the first Bible project of The Lockman Foundation. Its goal was to take both word meaning and context into account to accurately translate the original text from one language into another. The AMP does this through the use of explanatory alternate readings and amplifications to assist the reader in understanding what Scripture really says. Multiple English word equivalents to each key Hebrew and Greek word clarify and amplify meanings that may otherwise have been concealed by the traditional translation method. The first edition was published in 1965.

 
Absolutely, but compare a few passages from that bible with an equally paraphrased modern translation, The Message. There's a few passages, especially the difficult "clobber verses" against our LGBTQ neighbour, where translations vary WIDELY in what they convey.
 
And we looked at that passage a week ago Wednesday in our lecto divinio group. The passage loses some of its patriarchal overtones when you remove "virgins" and replace with "attendants", then remove "bridegroom" and replace it with "wedding party" (largely what the Inclusive Bible does). One of my first reactions was how mean the attendants with oil were not to share with those who had not anticipated the delay.
 
BetteTheRed ------

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You can take away anything you want from the story but that doesn't change what the parable is saying in spiritual terms ---you either get it or you don't ---there is no in between ------you can't mix the world view with spiritual matters and get the true meaning --

It is called being double minded and when your double minded you are a Luke Warm Christian and God says this ----

Revelation 3:14-22 (GW)
A Letter to the Church in Laodicea
14 “To the messenger of the church in Laodicea, write:
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Bible Gateway passage: Revelation 3:14-22 - GOD’S WORD Translation

The amen, the witness who is faithful and true, the source of God’s creation, says: 15 I know what you have done, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were cold or hot. 16 But since you are lukewarm and not hot or cold, I’m going to spit you out of my mouth.
 
Actually, unsafe, "parables" in the New Testament are really what the Jews call Midrash. Stories with lots of hidden meanings to be winkled out. I think you do Christianity a great dis-service when you don't engage with the text at a really deep level, looking for different angles and meaning.

I like the way you seemed to need to emphasize what you think is my fate, via both underline and bold. And from Revelation, no less. The rest of the bible, taken as a whole, actually encourages thoughtful discussion, a balanced life, balanced readings, compassionate dialogue between humans. The book of Job is a huge exercise in trying to figure out "what god wants" from "the circumstances that occur in a human's life".
 
BetteTheRed ------I like the way you seemed to need to emphasize what you think is my fate via both underline and bold

Just to clarify ---it is not what I think ---it is what God says ---I just believe what God says -----

Your in charge of your own fate BetteTheRed -----Blaming others is just a big cop out ---take responsibility for your own choice -----and stop playing the blame game ----

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unsafe said:
it is not what I think ---it is what God says ---I just believe what God says
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No, it is what you think/believe God says. If it was actually that clear and unambiguous that God said it, these discussions would not happen. All Christians would be more or less on the same page in terms of interpretation of scripture.
 
Mendalla said:
No, it is what you think/believe God says. If it was actually that clear and unambiguous that God said it, these discussions would not happen. All Christians would be more or less on the same page in terms of interpretation of scripture.
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It was in a book by god right ... god's representatives wrote it and they wouldn't be corrupted by such power ... would they?

Holy Cow the questions that could be stimulated ... by a splash of light over the night sky ... quite milky at that ...
 
Hi,

One parable in view, with a variety of interpretation, understanding and intention.

Ten were expecting the immeadiate coming of God's intervention. These failed to realize that the coming of God's redemption might lead through an extended period of waiting and watching. The other ten prepared themselves for going the distance.

Jesus tells the parable in the hearing of people in the land who are anxious and despairing. This as persons in high places indulge themselves by all available avenues of excess. He is offering the people hope. By his words and actions persons are encouraged and inspired. Those who have ears to hear his teaching step out of the power grid by the faith he inspires. An exodus of sorts. As it is written: "Come out of her my people, or you will share in the anguish of her destruction."

Following the ascension of Jesus diverse interpretations of his meaning and purpose found expression. What we call schools of thought. Some said Jesus was coming on the clouds very soon. Others were of a different mind. These thought it wise to prepare for Roman conquest and the razing of the temple Jerusalem. An ordeal of great proportion for the people of the land.

Jesus used parables to help the oppressed recognize their oppressors and open their imagination to an alternative imagination. The ending of all earthly kingdoms at the appearance of God's eternal kingdom.

Which begs the question, how are parables understood and promoted in the diverse Christian religions among us?

God is not concerned about the difference of our perspectives. The concern is with how we get along. For if I have not love I am nothing. Love ever ready to cover a multitude of sins. Ever patient and ever kind.

Resist the spirit of division provoked by the spirit of accusation.

George
 
One wee bit more,
Pontifex Geronimo 13 said:
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
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How do we interpret "does the will of my father who is in heaven"? Seems to fit with the prayer of Jesus, "Your will be done on earth, as it is in heaven." What will you say?

George
 
Across time many winkles ... and Moles-que peoples ... allowing for 'Q' ... hard-shell source of the myth?

Tis a shadowed attribute to the hole-E thing ...
 
Mendalla ----your quote -----All Christians would be more or less on the same page in terms of interpretation of scripture.

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Here is the thing though ---anyone can call themselves a Christian -----but not all Christians are Born Again and have the Holy Spirit to help them interpret scripture meaning -----

True Christ--ians are on the same page in many areas of scripture ----for example ----the way to get saved ----the Bible is God Breathed and is the final authority ----God does what He promises in His word -----God is a God of Righteous Judgment ----Humans were created to have a relationship with Him -----The Holy Spirit directs and guides God's People both in everyday life and in interpreting scripture ---- etc

True Christians who rely on the Holy Spirit for an individual interpretation of a particular scripture will get the true meaning of what the scripture is saying to them where they are in their walk with Christ --Scripture interpretation for a babe in Christ will not be the same as for a person who has advanced in their faith and walk with Christ -----and that is evident in this scripture -----


1 Corinthians 3:2 (GW--
2 I gave you milk to drink. I didn’t give you solid food because you weren’t ready for it. Even now you aren’t ready for it


The Fake Christians will be interpreting scripture by their own means and will be with their own revelation as to what the scripture is saying --it will not be from God -----they will Wrongly Divide the word of God ------The Parable of the 10 Virgins that resvdd posted in his Blog is a great example of the true and false or fake Christians -----and Rightly and Wrongly dividing the Word of God----one group had oil for their lamps so they had all they needed to get the right results --they Rightly divided God's word by and through the Holy Spirit ----the other group only brought half of what they needed for the right results and thought they were secure in their right result ---so they Wrongly Divided the Word of God and were left out of the right result -----so they interpreted scripture different from the True Christ--ian -----

So not all Christians will be more or less on the same page in terms of in interpretation of scripture -----
 
Hi,
unsafe said:
The Fake Christians will be interpreting scripture by their own means and will be with their own revelation as to what the scripture is saying --it will not be from God
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Very good point with which I am in full agreement. Thinking of the evangelical entrepreneurs fleecing gullible populations to enrich themselves and their political cronies. Who are you thinking of?

George
 
unsafe said:
True Christians who rely on the Holy Spirit for an individual interpretation of a particular scripture will get the true meaning of what the scripture is saying to them where they are in their walk with Christ --Scripture interpretation for a babe in Christ will not be the same as for a person who has advanced in their faith and walk with Christ -----and that is evident in this scripture
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And how, for the sake of argument, am I supposed to know which Christians are getting the true meaning through the Holy Spirit? My sense from you and PG13 is that it is the ones who agree with you but that doesn't quite ring right as a way of determining this. "Find someone who is right and then see who agrees with them" leads to circular argument since you have to find someone who is right first in order to find someone who is right.:confused:
 
Mendalla said:
And how, for the sake of argument, am I supposed to know which Christians are getting the true meaning through the Holy Spirit? My sense from you and PG13 is that it is the ones who agree with you but that doesn't quite ring right as a way of determining this. "Find someone who is right and then see who agrees with them" leads to circular argument since you have to find someone who is right first in order to find someone who is right.:confused:
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Consider it a power within ... urges curiosity ... counter to doing the question from blind desire ... opposing demiurges !
 
GeoFee ---your quote ----are you thinking of?

unsafe says ----
Glad you asked

My focus is certainly NOT on money issues when it comes to Fake Christians ---it is on salvation ---God will deal with all the money issues -----but we as Ministers have a responsibility to make sure all people know the right way to reach the right goal for their eternal life ----that is my concern ---so for me it is quite simple Preach the True Gospel not something we make up ourselves ----don't sugar coat God's Truth ----

Here is the thing ---you are either a True Christ--ian or your not ----there really is no such thing as a Fake Christian ---anyone without the Holy Spirit is not a Christian ---they belong to this world and Satan is their god ----Period

Just because you believe in God does not --cannot and will not make you a Christ--ian ---

Salvation is the Real Topic of the New Covenant of Grace -----Not money issues ----Making sure people go to Heaven is the Real Agenda ----False Teachers are the real agenda teaching bad or wrong Doctrine is the real issue leading people down the wrong path of eternal life ----Teaching that the Bible is just stories and is not to be taken as Truth ----Teaching that Grace alone will save you ----Teaching that if you go to church every Sunday ---serve in the soup kitchens ---sing in the quire ---help your neighbour shows you are a good person and that is what will get you to heaven -----Ministers saying it is not their job to preach the Gospel of Grace to their church ---Ministers teaching it is OK to go along with what society says as long as your not hurting people ------all this is keeping people from becoming Christ--ians -----

Any Minister who says their mission is not to Preach the Good News should not be in the Ministry Business as far as I am concerned -----they are in the Ministry to preach their own Agenda and their own Gospel and their own obsessions and are a False Prophet according to scripture -----

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unsafe posted from Got Questions

Question: "Why are there so many fake Christians?"

Why are there so many fake Christians?

Answer: A Christian can be defined as a person who has, by faith, received and fully trusted in Jesus Christ as the only Savior from sin (John 3:16; Acts 16:31; Ephesians 2:8–9). And in the heart of the Christian resides the Spirit of Christ (Ephesians 3:17; 1 Corinthians 6:19; Romans 8:11). Now, “if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ” (Romans 8:9), and this person, then, is not a Christian. Thus, the term “fake Christian” is a misnomer. You are a Christian or you are not a Christian; one is either with God or against God (Matthew 12:30).

That being said, this question is certainly a legitimate one in the minds of many people. And this is likely due to the behavior of some Christians; however, it is also likely because of the behavior of many who think they are Christians or profess to be Christians, but who are not. The reasons many believe they are true Christians when they are not are many and varied. The false teaching that is so prevalent these days is certainly one reason. When churches eschew teaching sound doctrine, the end result will be congregants who do not know the truth of God’s Word. How can they keep in step with the Spirit, when the Truth is not in them?
 
revsdd said:
The parable is saying that no matter how prepared we think we are, we can be caught unaware. The five virgins with oil didn't go to sleep just comfortably waiting for the Lord, as was suggested above. They just fell asleep. They got tired. They didn't remain active. They didn't remain vigilant. This is suggested by the words "they all became drowsy." For that very reason, Paul tells us to stay awake. To remain vigilant. Because it's easy for us to nod off.

[/QUOTE Hi Revsdd--Well rev they all, went to sleep". But 5 had something" the other five did not have. That was oil , for there Lamps. airclean33--Gord.
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Mendalla said:
No, it is what you think/believe God says. If it was actually that clear and unambiguous that God said it, these discussions would not happen. All Christians would be more or less on the same page in terms of interpretation of scripture.
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Why would you think this Mendalla ? I love to ride Horse's when I was a bit younger. But I new Horses" in the barn that would kick your, brain's out" . If you were to try an ride them" , and they didn't know you." There all just Horses though, Hay".
 
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