Muslims & Christians: Same God?
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airclean33
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This is a Lie spread by satan. GOD knew you" even before you were in the Womb. John the Baptist, well still, in his mothers belly ,recognised Jesus The Christ" when Mary walked in, well Jesus was still in her belly. They have found that baby's like music well yet unborn. They know many other things of an unborn child. airclean33
airclean33
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--Hi there coming to be a REV.Jae--The one you call Jesus" new nothing of heaven. He that was the other part of Jesus , called, The Christ knew all thing's , He needed to know. His Father told Him" , how He was going to save the world. Jae instead of reading so many of those other Books . You may want to try GODS WORD more.
Wow, that's a whole lot of thinking you jumbled in there airclean. Okay, trying my best here to understand and reply...
ac said:
Not enough problems for... what? Also - to what are you referring to here as my "house"? Do you mean my family? We have some challenges - but we are working through them. Do you mean my Baptist church? My Alliance church? No church is perfect.
ac said:
I'm not trying to save the world airclean. Why would you possibly think I was trying to save the world? I do believe God calls me to be on his mission - to participate in lovingly redeeming all of Creation unto Godself. I don't imagine myself to be the only one called to this.
ac said:
[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]My belief airclean is that God has a plan for salvation for all who will believe. Where do you see in John 3:16 mention of the need to "come"?[/FONT]
ac said:
[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]I subscribe to: believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved.[/FONT]
ac said:
Really? I know of no great, sweeping animosity between denominations.
ac said:
I've heard of churches stealing followers. No one I know thinks highly of the practice, and I believe that it's a minority of churches who engage in it. I've never before heard of denominations doing it.
ac said:
How would you have them help? What responsibility, if any, does one denomination have to save the churches of another? Also - I have read of congregations of different denominations who have teamed together to keep a church alive. There seems to be some genuine caring going on in those cases.
ac said:
Amen. Christians should love other Christians.
ac said:
Do you see as your "neighbors" only those who are Christians like yourself airclean?
ac said:
I believe that God is the raiser of the dead. Does that mean that, once we believe we've been raised, it's best for us to not see ourselves as being broken sinners saved only by God's grace?
ac said:
[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]I believe we are called to make disciples, teaching them and baptizing them in the name of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit.[/FONT]
airclean33
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Good afternoon Chansen. airclean33
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IF there was a God, I most certainly would not know more than God would. Since I do not believe that there is one, it's rather a meaningless question, though.
The fact is, no one has a plan to save humankind because no one plan can do so. There are many problems and each needs its own plan. The idea that we should only help those who agree with us is one of the problems, not one of the solutions.
airclean33
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Hi Jae --Your --post--
ac said:
--Is there not enough problems in you own house ?
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Not enough problems for... what? Also - to what are you referring to here as my "house"? Do you mean my family? We have some challenges - but we are working through them. Do you mean my Baptist church? My Alliance church? No church is perfect.
Airclean--post--You don't understand what I meant 'The House of GOD . Do you believe your church is the only part of GODS house? There is but one House of GOD Jae , I believe there also is but one leader His Name Is Jesus The Christ.
ac said:
--Is there not enough problems in you own house ?
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Not enough problems for... what? Also - to what are you referring to here as my "house"? Do you mean my family? We have some challenges - but we are working through them. Do you mean my Baptist church? My Alliance church? No church is perfect.
Airclean--post--You don't understand what I meant 'The House of GOD . Do you believe your church is the only part of GODS house? There is but one House of GOD Jae , I believe there also is but one leader His Name Is Jesus The Christ.
Coming to be a REV? Maybe some day in the future airclean. Not for a long while yet though.
Jesus knew nothing of heaven? According to the Bible, it seems he should have known at least a few things.
"Jesus said to them, 'I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me" - John 35-38 (ESV), emphasis mine.
airclean, you wrote, "Is there not enough problems in you own house ?" You asked me about my house. If you had wanted me to answer about God's house, you should have asked me about God's house. I'm not God.
airclean33
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Jae post---
ac said:
God has a plan for salvation for all who will come , JOHN3: 16.
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[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]My belief airclean is that God has a plan for salvation for all who will believe. Where do you see in John 3:16 mention of the need to "come"?[/FONT]
Airclean-post --All The way through Jae . from 16--21..Do you see some thing they have to perform other than accept. Or is the belief in your church . They have to go under water. Please show me were.
ac said:
God has a plan for salvation for all who will come , JOHN3: 16.
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[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]My belief airclean is that God has a plan for salvation for all who will believe. Where do you see in John 3:16 mention of the need to "come"?[/FONT]
Airclean-post --All The way through Jae . from 16--21..Do you see some thing they have to perform other than accept. Or is the belief in your church . They have to go under water. Please show me were.
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God” - John 3:16-21 (ESV). There is no mention here airclean of needing to "accept".
ac said:
Neither of the two churches I serve teaches that going under water is salvific.
airclean33
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Jae post---
ac said:
those who follow Christ Jesus are the living. Those who are in the world , are called the dead. Is GOD not the raiser" of the dead?
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Jae---
I believe that God is the raiser of the dead. Does that mean that, once we believe we've been raised, it's best for us to not see ourselves as being broken sinners saved only by God's grace?
Airclean--post --I believe GOD wants you to feel saved. He wanted you to know so bad , He wrote you a LOVE note.. Jone1: 13---How is it , when you read of the way the Apostles were killed. They died like a person who"s Spirit was saved an heading Home to a GOD who Loved them. What think you Jae Sinner Or Saint.
ac said:
those who follow Christ Jesus are the living. Those who are in the world , are called the dead. Is GOD not the raiser" of the dead?
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Jae---
I believe that God is the raiser of the dead. Does that mean that, once we believe we've been raised, it's best for us to not see ourselves as being broken sinners saved only by God's grace?
Airclean--post --I believe GOD wants you to feel saved. He wanted you to know so bad , He wrote you a LOVE note.. Jone1: 13---How is it , when you read of the way the Apostles were killed. They died like a person who"s Spirit was saved an heading Home to a GOD who Loved them. What think you Jae Sinner Or Saint.
The apostles? I believe they were sinners saved only by God's grace. What say you airclean?
"Here’s a statement worthy of trust: Jesus the Anointed, the Liberating King, came into the world to save sinners, and I am the worst of them all" - 1 Timothy 1:15 (VOICE).
airclean33
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You said Jesus Jae . Not Jesus The Christ. There are to me Jae . Two parts of a Human one Flesh or if you will the body. The other part is Spirit , which is from GOD. The third part of man is GOD in form of The Holy Spirit. Jesus The Christ said . I do nothing , unless The Father tells me , or I see Him do it.Coming to be a REV? Maybe some day in the future airclean. Not for a long while yet though.
Jesus knew nothing of heaven? According to the Bible, it seems he should have known at least a few things.
"Jesus said to them, 'I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me" - John 35-38 (ESV), emphasis mine.
airclean, in the scripture I gave, Jesus says that he, Jesus, came down from heaven. He did not say, "the Christ came down from heaven" What do you make of that?
Bette, you really need to do some research before you generalize and pontificate about the Jewish consensus throughout history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_abortion
OK, after you read this, you can backpedal and specify the Jewish religious group that is pro-choice.
airclean33
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Your post--Jae---“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God” - John 3:16-21 (ESV). There is no mention here airclean of needing to "accept".
Airclean--You see not because you have not opened "your eyes. I pray Jae that you now read, this as one who has GODS eyes. airclean33
Airclean--You see not because you have not opened "your eyes. I pray Jae that you now read, this as one who has GODS eyes. airclean33
Pontifex Geronimo 13
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be·lieve
bəˈlēv/
verb
- 1.
accept (something) as true; feel sure of the truth of.
airclean, you seem to believe that the words you underlined should be of special notice to me. What is it you want me to notice? You especially indicated "carried out in God." What special significance do you want me to see in those words?
Which is a different thing than the modern, evangelical notion of "accepting Jesus into your heart."