Muslims & Christians: Same God?
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BetteTheRed
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chansen appreciates brevity.
I still don't understand what exactly Paul "saw". The Jesus who walks through walls, or the one who eats fish?
I still don't understand what exactly Paul "saw". The Jesus who walks through walls, or the one who eats fish?
blackbelt1961
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what about the one who Transfigured
It is said there needs to be something to make everything go round ... thus the eternal tattoo ...
That's the lass in the red dress whose bummer's showed as verily cheeky .... and the pall was actually Pauline ... in drag ... an angel with genre and no sects ... perhaps hidden portions?
In Chapter 10, Volf considers whether Christians, since they worship the same God as do Muslims, should unite in a common religion.
He gives some rules for blending the religions together...
1. Christians can adopt elements of the Muslim faith. Volf suggests that every Christian has the right to believe whatever they please, whether what they believe fits with normative Christianity or not, and whether what they believe even makes sense or not. He says that the right of human beings to decide what they believe is sacred, and adds that one either believes freely or one doesn’t believe at all.
2. Christians can adopt Islamic cultural forms. Volf reminds his reader that the Christian church was born on the day of Pentecost when the Holy Ghost fell on the disciples and they spoke in the languages of the peoples from different cultures assembled in Jerusalem. From the start, he writes, the Christian message was translated into idioms and cultural forms other than Jewish ones.
3. Christians can adopt religious practices and spiritual truths from Islam.
4. Christians should be baptized in the name of the triune God.
5. Christians should confess that Jesus Christ, in whom God dwelled in human flesh, is God.
6. Christians should hold on to the the divine gift of new life given freely to them through Christ.
He gives some rules for blending the religions together...
1. Christians can adopt elements of the Muslim faith. Volf suggests that every Christian has the right to believe whatever they please, whether what they believe fits with normative Christianity or not, and whether what they believe even makes sense or not. He says that the right of human beings to decide what they believe is sacred, and adds that one either believes freely or one doesn’t believe at all.
2. Christians can adopt Islamic cultural forms. Volf reminds his reader that the Christian church was born on the day of Pentecost when the Holy Ghost fell on the disciples and they spoke in the languages of the peoples from different cultures assembled in Jerusalem. From the start, he writes, the Christian message was translated into idioms and cultural forms other than Jewish ones.
3. Christians can adopt religious practices and spiritual truths from Islam.
4. Christians should be baptized in the name of the triune God.
5. Christians should confess that Jesus Christ, in whom God dwelled in human flesh, is God.
6. Christians should hold on to the the divine gift of new life given freely to them through Christ.
Can't do any of that for modern Christianity would rather fight than make love ... creation is over in their minds ... enough is enough?
chansen
Had a point all along
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For the record, the entire post was, "Oh come on. That's bulls**t."
And I'm happy to stand by both posts.
GeoFee
I am who I am becoming...
"The author of the document tells his readers how he wants it to be read." Geo
Might Luke's introductory remarks indicate rhetorical intention, grounded in historical detail but concerned primarily with historic implications? This would seem consistent with the manner in which rabbinic persons and communities communicated access to insight and conviction specific to an alternative to the way of the world under the auspices of power.
My own reading of scripture does not look for evidence or proof. It looks for testimony and conviction by which an opening to alternative imagination of what is desirable and possible is made available. By this alternative imagination I am being led along the way of transformation opened by Jesus.
George
Might Luke's introductory remarks indicate rhetorical intention, grounded in historical detail but concerned primarily with historic implications? This would seem consistent with the manner in which rabbinic persons and communities communicated access to insight and conviction specific to an alternative to the way of the world under the auspices of power.
My own reading of scripture does not look for evidence or proof. It looks for testimony and conviction by which an opening to alternative imagination of what is desirable and possible is made available. By this alternative imagination I am being led along the way of transformation opened by Jesus.
George
airclean33
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Airclean--post---This is what you get Jae . When you listen to mankind rather than GOD. This gentleman is full of it. If I posted as Chansen dose, I would post.
Chansen--post--
For the record, the entire post was, "Oh come on. That's bulls**t". This to another poster. But I believe it fit's
Heh GeoFee isn't that like the Babalonian Storm God or just Joe BLTZFZ that Al Capp was said to respond to a request for the phonetic value as a sort of rasp buried! Some boule intended ...
GeoFee
I am who I am becoming...
Hi Jae,
We have wandered about a bit and drifted at least a little off topic. This is not unusual for us.
A primary question might be "Who is my neighbour?" A secondary question might be "How do I love my neighbour as my self?"
I hold to the view that there is but one God who made heaven, earth and all that is in them. I understand that Abraham's "faithful" relationship with the one God gave rise to three strands of religious tradition. These may be considered as a three fold (braided) cord that cannot be easily broken rather than three competing truth claims as we now notice. Much depends on our resistance to the principle of division (diabolos) by which creature and creation are spoiled and brought to the threshold of destruction.
George
We have wandered about a bit and drifted at least a little off topic. This is not unusual for us.
A primary question might be "Who is my neighbour?" A secondary question might be "How do I love my neighbour as my self?"
I hold to the view that there is but one God who made heaven, earth and all that is in them. I understand that Abraham's "faithful" relationship with the one God gave rise to three strands of religious tradition. These may be considered as a three fold (braided) cord that cannot be easily broken rather than three competing truth claims as we now notice. Much depends on our resistance to the principle of division (diabolos) by which creature and creation are spoiled and brought to the threshold of destruction.
George
chansen
Had a point all along
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That's what "Allah" means in Arabic. It's not a different name - it's simply a translation.
GeoFee
I am who I am becoming...
Hi Luce...
"London bridge is fallen down, fallen down...".
There was the day of one people and one language. Creation was its context and cooperation was its manifestation. Then the seduction of power. A grand tower designed and built for access to and conquest of the unseen realm where authority is rooted; appropriation of the universal throne which no particular may occupy. Hubris. Nemesis. Unity is fractured. Divisive principle established and promulgated. Understanding and mutuality broken. Persons and peoples scattered. Each trajectory and all trajectories giving rise to the deification of some principality or power as sovereign and binding; the gods of the nations.
Boil me down boys. And boil me down again. Till all that burns is burnt and only I am who I am remains.
George
"London bridge is fallen down, fallen down...".
There was the day of one people and one language. Creation was its context and cooperation was its manifestation. Then the seduction of power. A grand tower designed and built for access to and conquest of the unseen realm where authority is rooted; appropriation of the universal throne which no particular may occupy. Hubris. Nemesis. Unity is fractured. Divisive principle established and promulgated. Understanding and mutuality broken. Persons and peoples scattered. Each trajectory and all trajectories giving rise to the deification of some principality or power as sovereign and binding; the gods of the nations.
Boil me down boys. And boil me down again. Till all that burns is burnt and only I am who I am remains.
George
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