Matthew 1:1-17 - The boring part?

[GordW]

Which contradicts that Jesus is God doesnt it? Is lineage required?

For Jewish Messianic hopes lineage certainly appears to be required. In the flow of Scripture tying Jesus to David (or arguably another alternative would have been Moses) helps tie the whole narrative arc together. Besides Jesus is, according to traditional Christian affirmations wholly God and wholly human.

The lineage in Luke is Mary's line.

THat is one common and traditional interpretation. I suspect neither lineage are historically accurate lists. MAtthew, for example, goes to great lengths to make each section of the story have exactly the same number of generations -- which would be a really unlikely thing.

 

[Mendalla]

MAtthew, for example, goes to great lengths to make each section of the story have exactly the same number of generations -- which would be a really unlikely thing.

Yeah, if ever you wanted a sign of "tinkering to suit purpose", making things line up perfectly like that qualifies.

 

[paradox3]

Sometimes these things are poetic. We are told in the Hebrew Scriptures that the days of our lives are three score years and ten. Could the accounts of the generations be similar?

It is quite clear that not every human being lives exactly 70 years. Yet we understand from the passage that life is finite. (I must look it up)

 

[paradox3]

Psalm 90 verse 10.

 

[Waterfall]

For Jewish Messianic hopes lineage certainly appears to be required. In the flow of Scripture tying Jesus to David (or arguably another alternative would have been Moses) helps tie the whole narrative arc together. Besides Jesus is, according to traditional Christian affirmations wholly God and wholly human.

Yes for Jewish traditions genealogy would be important, but Jesus was never their candidate for a Messiah.
Soooooo, how does one justify Jesus lineage on his father's side if his father is God and supposedly impregnated Mary, according to Christianity?

 

[paradox3]

It seems to me @Waterfall that you are layering later interpretations onto this passage from Matthew.

 

[GordW]

Yes for Jewish traditions genealogy would be important, but Jesus was never their candidate for a Messiah.
Soooooo, how does one justify Jesus lineage on his father's side if his father is God and supposedly impregnated Mary, according to Christianity?

Probably important to remember that:
a) the early church, perhaps particularly Matthew's Gospel, had a need to prove that Jesus WAS the promised Messiah (even if this required some re-visioning what it meant to be the Messiah)
b) for the first few decades the early church was largely made up of Jewish followers of Jesus
c) the virgin birth idea seems to be a later addition to the tradition, most clearly expressed in Luke (John on the other hand has Jesus as the Word which has been around for ever and never touches on the practicalities of how the Word became flesh) with the story of the Anunciation. One could say that Jesus was God Incarnate and not require divine impregnation.

 

[Waterfall]

Probably important to remember that:
a) the early church, perhaps particularly Matthew's Gospel, had a need to prove that Jesus WAS the promised Messiah (even if this required some re-visioning what it meant to be the Messiah)
b) for the first few decades the early church was largely made up of Jewish followers of Jesus
c) the virgin birth idea seems to be a later addition to the tradition, most clearly expressed in Luke (John on the other hand has Jesus as the Word which has been around for ever and never touches on the practicalities of how the Word became flesh) with the story of the Anunciation. One could say that Jesus was God Incarnate and not require divine impregnation.

Okay but Jesus never really fulfilled any of the Jewish predictions of who the Messiah would be did he?

 

[Mendalla]

Okay but Jesus never really fulfilled any of the Jewish predictions of who the Messiah would be did he?

The Jewish Christian community seem to have thought he did. It's all in how you read those prophecies, isn't it?

 

[Waterfall]

The Jewish Christian community seem to have thought he did. It's all in how you read those prophecies, isn't it?

Yeah I think they covered the fail with the second coming.

 

[Luce NDs]

Is poeticism layered as stardust as Willie sang that sad song?

Do many folk avoi-d interpretation and questioning sequences as they stack up against a point of singularity?

Imagine the vision of the Bishop of Myra saying that God was a point on a great set of movements as ... all over the place! Resembles the great boson particle of God item of focus ... purely incarnate? here things may take a turn as an ax is ... the cut is made ...

Some question absolutely nothing and exist on pure fulminating emotion; a god or diabolical bipolar projection? Exponential ...


The alien remains to be questioned ... as really not that familiar so we should not find contempt with our familiarity ... cause we just don't get it!

Yet many fly off the handle due to their primary reactions ... prejudice? Thus the need for rest with what ever is left after the expansive process ... leaving a hole for thought and all that crap ...

The things we accept unknowingly are really odd ... like who will not accept the item called anonymous psyche as something they find incomprehensible ... so they do not even consider what is missing in the abstract!

Thus that remaining to be drawn out by druid forces of incarnate descent ... incomplete queues and ex cusis for what they refused to learn and become familiar with as far beyond their mortal initiate ...

As Job found it ... hard shelled but still something to get over or through ... that's life! Some say God is life and reject such comprehensives from the other side allowing for split decisions ... about a thin medium! Maybe parietal? Some get down in the midst of it where to energy calms ... from there look out ... you may be observed innately! So the myth penetrates and further reason for the leagues of story as stacked ... it goes on as if looked at ... some act peculiar when looked at closely ... admire or admonish? Tis a concern bringing on worry as Anis ... there is a vast field of word for this state that is poorly understood to say least ... thus wee phoque ... sharp Hebrew tongue ...

Many say unimaginable as abstract is part of the temporal estate ... beyond mortal! said to be duff by the figgies ... naked in the trees ... pity? For sure ...