MAID Concerns - How Will Our Politicians Respond?

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BetteTheRed said:
So, how do we fix this?

See, I can see including "disability" in the criteria for an 80 something year old who has gone blind in old age. Death might not be foreseeable, but it's pretty inevitable in some sort of near future at 80. But I can't see offering a 30 year old blind person MAID because of that disability. And I'm totally hearing you that "disability" can make one more at risk for MAID, both as a request, and horrifyingly, as a medical suggestion.

MAID is not going back in the closet. I will do a great deal to avoid the kind of death both of my life partners chose/didn't choose. But I don't want a single person to die who did not freely and joyfully choose this option.
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My step dad is starting to lose his sight. No i would not be happy for him if he chose that option. It would be a failure by his friends and family. I do not think 80 year olds going blind need MAiD. I do think they need love and attention. And they still did not need to slip the word “disability“ into the law. Understand!...from the activists who decided on the word, disability is the society doing the “dis” ing. When we say disability...it‘s because society has dis-abled us!
 
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I supported MAID when we were talking about close to death and unremitting pain. I honestly didn’t think very many people would qualify. Pain relief is a pretty good field now. Lots of options including nerve blockers, medications.......

but now? I want the genie back in the bottle

put any other visible group into the law instead of disabled or depressed what do you see. Blatant racism, ageism, sexism......

unfortunately, during Covid, Trudeau has been able to slide lots of things by. No parliament to hound him. No reporters to hound him after he announces more money. No budgets. Just our boy Justin putting his stamp on our country. Remember when he said how much he admires China? Well here we go
 
No, LP, that's not fair to the Liberals.

It was that WYRD Quebec court decision that threw it open. I think the Liberals made a poor decision by trying to meet the challenges of the Quebec Supreme Court. I think they should have figured out how to boot it up to the federal Supreme Court.

I hope for some early challenges that will make them make it right.

There is a point, LP, where a person should be able to end their own life for reasons other than foreseeable death. But when I think about it, it should be as "difficult" to get to, as an abortion used to be. Remember when it had to be justified in front of a panel of at least three doctors?
 
BetteTheRed said:
No, LP, that's not fair to the Liberals.

It was that WYRD Quebec court decision that threw it open. I think the Liberals made a poor decision by trying to meet the challenges of the Quebec Supreme Court. I think they should have figured out how to boot it up to the federal Supreme Court.

I hope for some early challenges that will make them make it right.

There is a point, LP, where a person should be able to end their own life for reasons other than foreseeable death. But when I think about it, it should be as "difficult" to get to, as an abortion used to be. Remember when it had to be justified in front of a panel of at least three doctors?
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The liberals rammed this latest EXPANDED version (even more expanded than before it went to Senate) through on the anniversary of Canada’s commitment to the UN CRPD. That’s entirely on them. It was nothing short of evil. Bette, wake up, they want to cull poor people, to save money, but with the illusion of choice - so they don’t look as bad as the Third Reich. It’s eugenics. Be afraid for the poor people in your life - their opportunities to live and thrive have just been further narrowed. Don’t justify this.
 
OK, but put the evil where it belongs. With the Quebec supreme court. That, in my mind, is where the big error happened. And why the liberals didn't think they could boot it up, don't know.

First solution to the problem are going to be Supreme Court challenges.
 
BetteTheRed said:
OK, but put the evil where it belongs. With the Quebec supreme court. That, in my mind, is where the big error happened. And why the liberals didn't think they could boot it up, don't know.

First solution to the problem are going to be Supreme Court challenges.
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They did not have to cram the Bill through. The buck stops with them. The liberals are responsible for approving the bill that is now law.
 
BetteTheRed said:
OK, but put the evil where it belongs. With the Quebec supreme court. That, in my mind, is where the big error happened. And why the liberals didn't think they could boot it up, don't know.

First solution to the problem are going to be Supreme Court challenges.
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There are going to be lawsuits, lower court challenges, upper court challenges, Supreme Court challenges, international court challenges, and multi-group protests. But it shouldn’t have come to that, in 2021.
 
BetteTheRed said:
OK, but it did. So now, the big push is "how to fix this"?
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Support the disabled community trying to stop it, 100%. Disabled people themselves. They are the experts, many of them very educated - order of Canada recipients even, if that’s necessary to add - and they are impacted themselves, not people giving some detached white abled intellectual perspective. Listen. Know that Dying with Dignity is an organization that would like to expand death to the “weakest” members of society everywhere around the world. They are eugenics proponents by another name. They push for physician assisted suicide expansion around the world. They have a lot of money, and their motives are not transparent. But their name implies that to live with disability is undignified, and that is the root of ableism. Governments listen to Dying with Dignity, because they’ve now marketed themselves with “compassion” branding, and MAiD looks good on government budget sheets.

Disabled people have been sounding the same alarms all along. Since bill C14 came into the picture. The public chose not to listen, because...ableism.
 
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What animal is contrary to everything and nothing comes of it?

The human in collective as an integral idealism! May be found inhuman ... if you dig getting into head folks without confinement of putting a head about it ... then it is set free ... the thought therein ... some find thoughts out there explosive ...

If confined they may blow the entire set! Onto the next generation ... onto logically without the wants blown out of shape!

Few look at the single pathway as pathological from the other directive ... an alternate? Be gentile ... instead of a blowing Jinn ... blown genetics?

So the rhetoric ejaculated ... as a metaphor for recreational disaster! RV 'n in NB!
 
I agree with Kimmio. This is wholly on the liberals. And Justin is the head of the liberals, like it or not, so he owns this

they could have booted it to the Supreme Court way back when. they Had options

my guess is that the dying with dignity group is a big liberal party supporter. Of liberals and of the PMO
 
Lastpointe said:
I agree with Kimmio. This is wholly on the liberals. And Justin is the head of the liberals, like it or not, so he owns this

they could have booted it to the Supreme Court way back when. they Had options

my guess is that the dying with dignity group is a big liberal party supporter. Of liberals and of the PMO
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They are wealthy international opportunists. They appeal to the “bourgeoise” of any party. They got to a Conservative MP first, in 2014, don’t forget. Turns out, he’s far right. He ran for the PPC.


but ultimately, the last move to stop this becoming law was in the Liberal’s hands, and they blew it.
 
I used to think that a Guaranteed Basic Income would eliminate the need for so many abortions and assisted suicides and lack of palliative care options ...

But it seems that the governing will is to first kill not to first instill human dignity.

Now that all of the killing bills have been legalized ...

A new bill was introduced that, if passed, would be a major step toward implementing guaranteed basic income in Canada — a set amount of money every citizen would be entitled to and cover the basic costs of living.

And then there will be another 2 year debate on whether the violence of poverty should 'actually' be addressed by the wealthy (at the taxpayer expense) bureaucracy and they will gather together in their places of power to probably nix it again ... cause you know ... human dignity and thriving instead of barely surviving ... that would give the poor and disabled far too much leeway to avoid being legally exploited till they are legally exterminated.
 
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Lastpointe said:
I agree with Kimmio.
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And whose voice has been removed from this forum? And now the administration that would unanimously (all in fair discipline of course for the collective good of those that are not perceived as capable enough to think for themselves) remove her voice ... has doubled up the voice of one of their own. :unsure: It is no wonder that @Luce NDs has got his guard up ... but that is another thread and I must not speak out of turn here ... or there ... or anywhere because that would discourage new members from signing up for 'unoffensive' open discussion.
 
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