Luke's Take on the Talents (Luke 19: 11-27)

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Progressives have no good reason to reject the authenticity of Jesus' references to establishing churches. It seems incredible that many progressives act as if Jesus never practiced what He preached, i. e., that He preached social justice and serving the poor, but never promoted organized groups (churches) to serve this end. But Jesus was hardly the imagined lone wolf do-gooder who wandered around Israel with his band of 12. What gets lost is this:

(1) Jesus' well organized community (church) is mobilized as advance parties traveling from town to town to organize His followers there to prepare for upcoming visits and ministries from Jesus. These visiting groups of followers could be just the 12 (Matthew 10:1) or larger groups of church members like the 70 (Luke 10:1).

(2) In the latter part of His ministry many residents of the Greek Decapolis were converted and organized into Jesus communities. Thus, well before Paul's conversion, a thriving church in faraway Damascus prompted Paul to organize a goon squad to go up there to harrass and arrest church members.
As Roman legions closed in on Jerusalem, the entire Jerusalem church fled to Pella (a Decapolis city) because of the Jesus communities established there during Jesus' ministry.
 
In Decapolis they lost their heads over a sense of power which was not theirs! Sometimes Decapolis is known as Pantheon as a devilish arrangement of gods that eliminates just about everything that makes up a greater order of things that psychopaths believe they can control by avarice!

Lord Acton hit the nail right on the head ... of course those attempting to scatter thoughts and minds do not like precise interpretations that are not their creation (generation) and that too will pass because of grooming of naivete ... isn't that stupid of me to say?

Thus the diversity of angels and demons ... the bible skims through this history as myth ... could there be something in it? Don't look said the great power expecting to control the wholly thing ... Hare Krishnan? Nan being a grandmother ... would she be the grandmother of light (psyche myth) as a disposed Wisdom by the powers? Something about which to think "not" as it is pain ... that learning curve ...

Then there is that tome of Pogos on The Nature of Things ... reintroduced as the Swerve! It wends along mostly unseen ... folks do no read much into spiritual matter as it is ghastly frightening!

I am flabbergasted by the number of Theologians that have never even read the entire worshipped script ... outlandish observers ... subject observed from a Phar Roué ... a dark ooze if you give credit to the Greek gamma ... as it slides onto the page ... mostly unconsciously ...

People say there is no daughter of wisdom called Psyche and thus there can be no psyche storm ... no matter what you see to the contrary ... just a dervish ...
 
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About Jesus saying that Peter was the rock upon which He would build his church.

Roman Catholics take this to mean the Christian church of the future with Peter as the first Pope. Non Catholics usually think Jesus was talking about Peter's leadership role with the twelve.
 
Both accounts of the parable use the numbers 2, 5 and 0. But not in exactly the same way.

Any other observations or reactions?
 
Why does the nobleman have his detractors slaughtered? As in Matthew's iteration, the point is that one's perception of God will inform one's experience of God and God's reaction to that perception:

"With the loyal you show yourself loyal; with the blameless you show yourself blameless; ... with the crooked you show yourself perverse (Psalm 18:25-26)."

"I tell you, to all those who have more will be given; but from those who have nothing even what they gave will be taken away (Luke 18:16)."

The spiritual assets of those with a toxic perception of God count for nothing and forfeit all their potential benefits.
 
I am having a little trouble with this toxic perception of God business. I agree that our perception of God will inform our experience of God. And vice versa.

But I don't get God reacting to a toxic perception in ways that are, well, toxic.
 
God comes across as petty because the God most people follow is a human-created God informed by their prejudices. "I am not comfortable with homosexuals so God must hate them," kind of logic. Logically, a cosmic Creator who relates to his Creation in positive ways (e.g. "Love") should be bigger than that, beyond human pettiness and prejudice. However, it is the human perception and portrayal of God that tends to matter in our churches and society.
 
Seeing this parable through the Spiritual lens ----

Who are the players in this parable ----

The nobleman ---Jesus who is the King -----

The servants ----are Disciples ------there are 2 groups of Servants depicted here ----True Servants and False Servants -----

The Disciples are entrusted with Stewardship of the kingdom endowment till Jesus returns ----

The citizens -----are the Jewish nation who rejected Jesus as their Messiah -----


I say -----So if you go back to read the first of the Chapter -----you see that the citizens who were following Jesus were angry that He was going to the House of a Sinner -----Jesus tells
Zacchaeus that Salvation has just come to His house and some citizens were listening and they assumed that the Kingdom of God was immediate ---which was a wrong misconception on their part ---so Jesus says this to the citizens ---
verse 10----
10 For the Son of Man came to seek out and to save the lost.’

The next section is the Parable that Jesus talks about what happens to true and false Disciples ---and the misconceptions that people have about the Kingdom of God and how the Kingdom works and what the expectations are of being a true follower of the King --and where each end up in the end ----

verse 11-Amp Bible
11 While they were listening to these things, Jesus went on to tell a parable, because He was near Jerusalem, and they assumed that the kingdom of God was going to appear immediately [as soon as He reached the city].

Verses 12-14 ----is about Kingdom responsibility for God's Servants -----when the king is away and what Kingdom Business they are to be doing ------It is about being a good Stewart with the resources that God has given them----which was one mina which was to be used to to do Kingdom business -----which is what -----advance the Kingdom by saving souls -----until the King returns ----

Just Ten Servants were called ---why 10 ----

Meaning of the Number 10 in the Bible

How is the number 10 related to the Exodus? What are the ten deaths caused by women in the Bible?
www.biblestudy.org

Meaning of Numbers: The Number 10​

The number 10, in the Bible, is used 242 times. The designation "10th" is used 79 times. Ten is also viewed as a complete and perfect numeral, as is 3, 7 and 12

. It is made up of 4, which represents the physical creation, and 6, which symbolizes man. As such, the meaning of 10 is one of testimony, law, responsibility and the completeness of order.

maximizing
So this is about Christians living their lives in Trust ----and taking all the resources that God has given to us and maximize these gifts given to honor and glorify God -----some of the resources given in my view would be ----the truth of the Gospel to preach ----the power given to us by the Holy Spirit ----and the Gifts given by and through the Holy Spirit ---also all spiritual privileges which are given to us through God Blessings -------


I say ----We also see that the Citizens hated the Nobleman ---and they didn't want Him as King over them

So who hated Jesus ---the Jewish hierarchy --- the Jewish Nation refused to believe that Jesus was their Messiah ----

Verses 15-27----is about Kingdom Accountability -----how did the 10 Servants do with what they were given -----did they work to advance the Kingdom or not ------the true Christian and the False Christian portrayed -----

True Christians will want to work to advance the Kingdom -----and they will be accepted by the King and will rewarded for that ----

The False Christian will fail at advancing the Kingdom and are considered enemies of the King and will be rejected and sent to their doom ----

I say
But here is the Good News for the 12 tribes of Israel in the end times --the Jewish Nation who Rejected Jesus as their Lord and Saviour and who were doomed --------The 12 tribes of the Jewish Nation will go through the 7 year Tribulation but God will honor His Covenant with Israel and He marks the 12 tribes of Israel so they remain unharmed and are saved through the horror that will come upon this earth and uses these Jewish people which number 144,000 to preach the Gospel throughout the world during this time and save many souls from perishing --
 
Mendalla said:
God comes across as petty because the God most people follow is a human-created God informed by their prejudices. "I am not comfortable with homosexuals so God must hate them," kind of logic. Logically, a cosmic Creator who relates to his Creation in positive ways (e.g. "Love") should be bigger than that, beyond human pettiness and prejudice. However, it is the human perception and portrayal of God that tends to matter in our churches and society.
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Love is just something that folk are shy about and rant about women driven into the street to do their survival work ... and from there much get screwed out of shape ...
 
jimkenney12 said:
Yeah, like why would God be so petty?
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Ah, so at least by imposing your concept of pettiness on biblical teaching you are taking Jesus seriously--and the teaching of Psalm 18:25-26.
The author of Hebrews doubles down on the point made by the Parables of the Talents and the Pounds:

"Without faith it is impossible to please God. For whoever would approach God must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who diligently seek Him (11:6)."
 
Mystic said:
Ah, so at least by imposing your concept of pettiness on biblical teaching you are taking Jesus seriously--and the teaching of Psalm 18:25-26.
The author of Hebrews doubles down on the point made by the Parables of the Talents and the Pounds:

"Without faith it is impossible to please God. For whoever would approach God must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who diligently seek Him (11:6)."
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Why does God need or want to be pleased? Why would God be needy?
 
Mystic said:
"Without faith it is impossible to please God. For whoever would approach God must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who diligently seek Him (11:6)."
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Makes sense that in order to approach God one must believe God exists. Why else would anyone bother?

But why is faith required to please God? You would think God would be pleased with lives which observe the Noahide code. (Just to borrow an idea from our Jewish brothers and sisters)
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Too small, then, to be a God of love? Love has purpose or "wants" and "needs" to be expressed.
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The parable of the minas doesn't point to a God of love in any way I can see.
 
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