Luke 6: A Verse (or Two) at a Time

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That was going to be my comment, too. Maybe even a bit Yin-Yang, with life being a cyclical balance of blessings and woes that feed into each other.

How about anima vs animus? Anime ... repentance sooner or later and great powers might come back as hated black females ... Grabri Ellis? That would screw up the process's on pronoun naming ... in NB Higgs would be in ultimate DIN! That a chaos number ... and he could take a #'n!
 
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"Woe (= divine judgment) to you when all speak well of you; for that is what their ancestors did to the false prophets (Luke 6:26)."

My favorite OT illustration of Jesus' point: In 1 Kings 22, 400 prophets please Ahab, King of Isreal, by prophesying a great military victory in his upcoming battle to take Ramath-Gilead. A skeptical Jehoshaphat, King of Judah, suggests they need to seek out an authentic prophet. Ahab replies, "There is one other by which we may inquire of the Lord, Micaiah..., but I hate him because he never prophesies anything favorable about me (22:8)." When Micaiah arrives, Ahab asks him if the Lord confirms the consensus of the other prophets and he sarcastically prophesies, "Go up,,, and triumph. The Lord will give it into the hands of the king (22:l2)." Ahab realizes he is being mocked and angrily instructs Micaiah to cut the bulllsh-t. And now I paraphrase Micaiah's colorful reaction: "O the truth--you want the truth! I'm sorry, I didn't realize!" Micaiah then accurately prophesies the upcoming decisive military defeat.

How often do parishioners say, "We have a great minister. Everyone loves her/him." Among other things, what they really mean is that the minister preaches to the choir, denouncing people who espouse causes that meet with their disapproval and being derelict in their prophetic mission to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable in their own congregation. Paul eloquently captures the spirit of the woe quoted:

"I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to another gospel...But even if we or an angel from heaven should proclaim to you a gospel contrary to the one proclaimed to you. let him be accursed!... Am I now seeking human approval or God's approval? Or am I seeking to please people? If I were still pleasing people, I would not be a servant of Christ (Galatians 1:6-10)."
 
Does anyone have any ideas about the Prophets who were hated & excluded by the people's ancestors? (V.22)

What about the false prophets who were embraced by the ancestors? (V.26)
Jeremiah was tossed into a hole in the ground fir saying the alliance with Egypt would lead to Judah's destruction, contradicting all the prophets in the court who endorsed the strategy. Babylon smashed Judah and Egypt shortly after that.
Elijah had a long running conflict with Jezebel and came close to being executed a few times. Do mot remember any prophets being executed.
 
Jeremiah was tossed into a hole in the ground fir saying the alliance with Egypt would lead to Judah's destruction, contradicting all the prophets in the court who endorsed the strategy. Babylon smashed Judah and Egypt shortly after that.
Elijah had a long running conflict with Jezebel and came close to being executed a few times. Do mot remember any prophets being executed.
'Others were tortured, refusing to accept release, in order to receive a better resurrection. Others suffered mocking and flogging and even chains and imprisonment (Jeremiah). They were stoned to death (Zechariah), they were sawn in two (Isaiah. they were killed by the sword; they went about in skins of sheep and goats, destitute. persecuted, tormented--of whom the world is not worthy (Hebrews 11:35-38)."

Hebrews is drawing on martyr traditions preserved, for example, in the Jewish work, The Lives of the Prophets.
 
Jeremiah was tossed into a hole in the ground fir saying the alliance with Egypt would lead to Judah's destruction, contradicting all the prophets in the court who endorsed the strategy. Babylon smashed Judah and Egypt shortly after that.
Elijah had a long running conflict with Jezebel and came close to being executed a few times. Do mot remember any prophets being executed.
There was also Uriah(killed with a sword), John the Baptist(beheaded), Zachariah(stoned to death).
 
23 Rejoice on that day and leap for joy, for surely your reward is great in heaven, for that is how their ancestors treated the prophets.
Any guesses on who the prophets of old might be?

Hebrews 11

4 By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead.

5 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.”[a] For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God. 6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

7 By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that is in keeping with faith.

8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. 9 By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. 10 For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God. 11 And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she[b] considered him faithful who had made the promise. 12 And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.

13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.

17 By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had embraced the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son, 18 even though God had said to him, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.”[c] 19 Abraham reasoned that God could even raise the dead, and so in a manner of speaking he did receive Isaac back from death.

20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau in regard to their future.

21 By faith Jacob, when he was dying, blessed each of Joseph’s sons, and worshiped as he leaned on the top of his staff.

22 By faith Joseph, when his end was near, spoke about the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt and gave instructions concerning the burial of his bones.

23 By faith Moses’ parents hid him for three months after he was born, because they saw he was no ordinary child, and they were not afraid of the king’s edict.

24 By faith Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be known as the son of Pharaoh’s daughter. 25 He chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin. 26 He regarded disgrace for the sake of Christ as of greater value than the treasures of Egypt, because he was looking ahead to his reward. 27 By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the king’s anger; he persevered because he saw him who is invisible. 28 By faith he kept the Passover and the application of blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn would not touch the firstborn of Israel.
 
Good Morning, everyone! Here is Luke 6: 27-28


Today's text is a challenging one, sometimes known as the Hard Commandment.

Who are our enemies?
What does it mean to love them?

These are complex questions. But I don't think it means forcing ourselves to like them. Showing them compassion and giving them their space is probably more like it.

Do good to those who hate us? It makes a lot of sense not to return hate with hate.

Bless those who curse us? Is Jesus a pacifist when it comes to war, do we think? What would he suggest in the current I/P conflict?

Pray for those who mistreat us? What about sexual predators and other abusers? Kidnappers and human traffickers? The list goes on.

Are we really expected to love these people and pray for them? Perhaps we can do it if we consider their brokenness.

it might be a mistake to leap into thinking about all these extreme situations. We could start with a small baby step like examining a grudge we are holding onto.

Looking forward to your responses today.
 
Love for the enemy ... how to get this out in a biased gathering? Few take the rad of medium ... middle's in? Midst of the myth as a dead person's tale 've woe?

The understanding of "woe" can be hyperbolic ... then King Ahab met Ishmael ... oh my! Fiery Ka jins (juns)? If yah follow the text literally ... you might miss the expansiveness of myth as it blows thro' ...
 
The word for love means self-giving or self sacrificing for the well being of someone or something else. Well being does not equal what they want and needs to include the well being of others.

Sometimes it requires really hard tasks like thoughtful assertion of the harm caused by a person, thoughtful being carefully considering how to be most effectively assertive. Sometimes it takes creating and protecting barriers or boundaries that limit the capacity to cause harm.

For example, when someone throws out unfounded claims about us persistently when unable to offer a cohesive response, just toss those comments into a mental waste bin.
 
The word for love means self-giving or self sacrificing for the well being of someone or something else. Well being does not equal what they want and needs to include the well being of others.

Sometimes it requires really hard tasks like thoughtful assertion of the harm caused by a person, thoughtful being carefully considering how to be most effectively assertive. Sometimes it takes creating and protecting barriers or boundaries that limit the capacity to cause harm.

For example, when someone throws out unfounded claims about us persistently when unable to offer a cohesive response, just toss those comments into a mental waste bin.
Agreeing with these points but they could be describing present day assertiveness theory. Somehow I feel Jesus is more radical than these ideas.
 
I think considering brokenness is a good start. Everyone comes to the table with a story.....that includes individuals, ourselves, communities, nations, even Jesus.
When I hear the phrase that God knows our heart, i think of this.
That being said there are many forms of abuse and neglect that come from some stories and affect others negatively. Love doesn't always " fix" everything unless it includes understanding and healing and sometimes justice.
I honestly count on God's unconditional love for us because I am not sure that we humans are capable of it. So yes love our enemies but sometimes the unconditional part is God's IMO....So we pray for help and try not to do harm in the meantime.
 
The word for love means self-giving or self sacrificing for the well being of someone or something else. Well being does not equal what they want and needs to include the well being of others.

Sometimes it requires really hard tasks like thoughtful assertion of the harm caused by a person, thoughtful being carefully considering how to be most effectively assertive. Sometimes it takes creating and protecting barriers or boundaries that limit the capacity to cause harm.

For example, when someone throws out unfounded claims about us persistently when unable to offer a cohesive response, just toss those comments into a mental waste bin.

Is such love explosive or penetrating as the point of Ares? All goes for bust when one mulls over the consequences of expansiveness in reality ... thus the humble collapses in folly ...
 
Pray for those who mistreat us? What about sexual predators and other abusers? Kidnappers and human traffickers? The list goes on.
I think we can pray for them given that many of them are victims themselves. At the same time, we can't let that stop us from protecting others from their actions. Is there a loving way of doing that? Because all too often in our society, we see these people in terms of getting revenge, not simply protecting others from them. Loving the abuser must never be allowed to stop us from protecting the abused, in other words. Or to stop the abused from protecting themselves in some cases.
 
I think we can pray for them given that many of them are victims themselves. At the same time, we can't let that stop us from protecting others from their actions. Is there a loving way of doing that? Because all too often in our society, we see these people in terms of getting revenge, not simply protecting others from them. Loving the abuser must never be allowed to stop us from protecting the abused, in other words. Or to stop the abused from protecting themselves in some cases.

Maybe it is like hoping they will not destroy themselves and their surroundings because of avarice. Reminds me of Ray Stevens theology ... I Once Was Crazy and now I'm beside myself so we just state get out of here to the evil side ... some cannot let this go!

Let us tread on to the next step ... cautiously now as the mire underfoot is delicate ... Margaret! ... there is is back again and Marier than whatever ...
 
Do good to those who hate us? It makes a lot of sense not to return hate with hate.
Republican president Abe Lincoln said, "The best way to kill your enemy is to make him your friend."
Bless those who curse us? Is Jesus a pacifist when it comes to war, do we think?
"He who has no sword must sell his cloak and buy one (Luke 22:36)."Are we really expected to love these people and pray for them?
I'm sure that the progressive Christians pray for Trump every day. Many conservative churches pray for our president.
We could start with a small baby step like examining a grudge we are holding onto.
I can just feel the woke love here for Trump!
 
"He who has no sword must sell his cloak and buy one (Luke 22:36)
This is a controversial saying. Some interpreters say Jesus wants the disciples to have a means of self defense. Others think the sword is a metaphor for God's judgment.

When the disciples say they have two swords, Jesus replies, "It is enough." (Luke 22:38)

Hard to know how to read this.

I'm sure that the progressive Christians pray for Trump every day. Many conservative churches pray for our president.

I can just feel the woke love here for Trump!
Please take comments about Trump and Biden over to Politics.
 
Jesus' cluster of sayings about loving enemies is the most revolutionary and unprecedented aspect of His moral teaching.
My Trump illustration was needed to highlight how far progressive Christians are from taking Jesus seriously. A reminder also for me to pray that God will
help prevent Biden's severe cognitive decline from damaging the country.
 
Jesus' cluster of sayings about loving enemies is the most revolutionary and unprecedented aspect of His moral teaching.
Yes this could be. We will soon arrive at turning the other cheek and the golden rule.

My Trump illustration was needed to highlight how far progressive Christians are from taking Jesus seriously. A reminder also for me to pray that God will
help prevent Biden's severe cognitive decline from damaging the country.
As I requested earlier please take any discussion of Trump and Biden over to Politics.

If you would like to talk about Progressive Christianity please start a separate thread in R&F or Church Life.
 
Jesus' cluster of sayings about loving enemies is the most revolutionary and unprecedented aspect of His moral teaching.
My Trump illustration was needed to highlight how far progressive Christians are from taking Jesus seriously. A reminder also for me to pray that God will
help prevent Biden's severe cognitive decline from damaging the country.
Are you praying for Biden's well being? My prayer for Trump is that he will be healed from the evil spirit that possesses him. He is a deeply troubled man revealed in many ways. Did you notice that loving someone does not require allowing them to harm others. You interpreted opposing him as a candidate as not loving him. Are you projecting your attitudes on others?

My prayer for you is that you fill find a way to let go of your anger at or hatred of mainstream or progressive churches and people with middle of the road and leftist views. You have a great capacity to helpfully contribute to faith discussions but you keep defecating on your contributions with your outbursts.
 
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