Luke 6: A Verse (or Two) at a Time

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Everything that you toss out and eliminate will come back at you as natural reaction to a gravid point (all underfoot)!

It's subtle ... some say hypo just fr variation in the line of divine nature ... i.e. it comes round! Because all in connected darkly ... a dark net? Listen carefully ...

Sometimes your hear it creeping ...
 
paradox3 said:
Good morning everyone. Here Luke 6: 37-39
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Bible Gateway passage: Luke 6:37-39 - New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition

Judging Others - “Do not judge, and you will not be judged; do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven; give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap, for the measure you give will...
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To paraphrase this teaching from Jesus, what we do unto others will be done unto us. Jesus begins with the negative (judging, condemning). But the principle also applies to the positive (forgiving, giving).

When it comes to our present day world, there is much wisdom here. Anger often begets anger and generosity of spirit often begets generosity of spirit.

Not always though. There are many exceptions to the rule.

Judge not lest ye be judged. Luke 6:37 (KJV) has made its way into popular culture. It is often assumed to mean divine retribution.

The other possibility is that Jesus is once again describing an insular or utopian community.
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This sort of sounds like what older religious traditions call 'karma'?
 
This lesson gives me a lovely image of the wheat being measured out. The abundance is such a contrast to the disciples picking a few grains in the wheat field on the Sabbath.

I read that the tunic would have been worn bloused over the cincture. The fabric would be gathered up and formed into a bowl shape to receive the grain.

The wheat was shaken & pressed down and then overflowed. I wonder if Jesus was thinking of Psalm 23 where the cup overflows.
 
Do not judge, and you will not be judged; do not condemn, and you will not be condemned
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Wish more people, Christian and not, lived by this one. I mean, I'm guilty as anyone but the level of judgmentalism on all sides anymore is just insane.

paradox3 said:
The other possibility is that Jesus is once again describing an insular or utopian community.
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I think this continues from the other teachings in previous verses, so kind of presenting an ideal community for sure. Whether that is intended as a guide to a larger utopia or just for his community of followers is an open question.
 
Redbaron said:
This sort of sounds like what older religious traditions call 'karma'?
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It sounds like it but I'm not sure it is as close as it sounds. There is no divine judgment involved in karma. It's an impersonal moral force, more like a law of nature in Western science. What goes around, comes around. In fact, even deities are subject to it. So more like Fate in Greek religion and mythology, where Zeus is the arbiter of Fate rather than judging human actions based on his own morality (which is a good thing because morality was not Zeus' strong suit). In fact, given that the Greeks and Indians are both Indo-European cultures, Fate and Karma could well be related.

But divine judgement and divinely given law as the basis of morality seems to be more a Middle Eastern thing. You see it with Osiris in Egypt and, of course, in Semitic traditions like the Hebrews. Islam is later and draws on older Semitic traditions and Christianity, but fits the pattern as well.
 
Waterfall said:
Although in Jesus' ministry, didn't he only come for the lost sheep of Israel?
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He comes to look more favorably upon the Samaritans over time. They have shared roots with Judaism but were regarded as foreigners in the time of Jesus.

There is also the story of the Syro-Phoenician woman. It is often taken to mean Jesus widened his ministry and his heart eventually. Not everyone agrees of course. We have discussed this passage on other occasions.
 
The raising of the centurion's servant is another case of him ministering to a non-Jew. Of course, given the big push to bring Christianity to the Gentile world during Paul's time, that one could be an interpolation.
 
paradox3 said:
Judge not lest ye be judged. Luke 6:37 (KJV)
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This is a very important piece of Scripture --and rightly dividing it is very Important ----

There is unrighteous judgment and there is Righteous Judgment -----

People who call themselves Christians are the worst for judging others in an unrighteous manner -----thinking they have every right to do so when they do not ---and they should be keeping an eye on their own practices -----

Scripture says Pluck the Plank out of your own eye before you try to take the Splinter out of your neighbour's eye ---

Here is the truth of the Matter -------True Christians are never to Judge people who live in this world under Satan's rule as these people are living as they should be and need not to be Judged by the true Church ---

Paul states this here ----

1 Corinthians 5:12-13 AMP​

12 For what business is it of mine to judge outsiders (non-believers)?


I say --------But------ True Christ-ians are to rightly Judge another Brother or Sister in Christ who are going down a wrong path -----to try and bring them Back into the fold ------

and Paul says that here -----from same scripture as above

verse 12 continued -------Do you not judge those who are within the church [to protect the church as the situation requires]?

13 God alone sits in judgment on those who are outside [the faith].
Remove the wicked one from among you [expel him from your church].
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So there is unrighteous Judgment and righteous judgment for the true Believer --------
 
Brother Jae used to talk about loving correction when he posted here on WC2. Unless he was having us on (which is possible) this must be what he meant. Righteous judgment between Christians.
 
verse 37----- Forgive, and you will be forgiven --

True Christians are to forgive all wrong that is done to them -----as Christ forgave us --for all our wrongs that we have done ----taking up Christ's character


Luke 6:38 EB​

38 Give, and ·you will receive [L it will be given to you]. ·You will be given much [L …a good measure…]. ·Pressed down [Compacted], shaken together, and running over, it will spill into your lap [C the image is of grain overflowing its container]. The ·way you give to [standard/measure you use with] others is the ·way God will give to [standard/measure God will use with] you.”


This is an important piece of Scripture ------this is a Promise for Believers ---You Will Receive

the Greek word for giving

Strong's Concordance
dosis: the act of giving, a gift
Usage: a giving, gift, donation.
HELPS Word-studies

1394 dósis (from 1325 /dídōmi, "give") – gift, emphasizing the intention (aim) that motivates the giving and the chain-reaction of giving-and-responding

I say --------This is a 2 way street -----We are involved and God is involved -----we obey and God responds to our obedience -----this pertains to physical gifts and or financial gifts ---


Promise warning here for Believers ---curses being brought upon one for not giving to those in need

Proverbs 28:27 EB​

27 Whoever gives to the poor will ·have everything he needs [L lack nothing],
but the one who ·ignores [turns a blind eye to] the poor will receive many curses.


I say -----When you give you are to be a joyful giver ----and you are to give with the right Motive -----God always gets the Glory for the Believers giving -----and God rewards that giving ---

2 Corinthians 9:6-8 NIV​

Generosity Encouraged​

6 Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.

7 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

8 And God is able to bless you abundantly, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work
 
There is a common saying in the vernacular: You reap what you sow.

I wonder if it is based on the selection @unsafe shared from 2Corinthians?
 
Waterfall said:
Although in Jesus' ministry, didn't he only come for the lost sheep of Israel?
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"Therefore, I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you (jews) and given to a people who produces the fruit of the kingdom (Matthew 21:43)." R=This marks the shift to Gentiles like the Syrio-Phoencians, Romans, and Greeks.
 
Mystic said:
"Therefore, I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you (jews) and given to a people who produces the fruit of the kingdom (Matthew 21:43)." R=This marks the shift to Gentiles like the Syrio-Phoencians, Romans, and Greeks.
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I don't see the nations that you mention producing much fruit for the kingdom in his time or even now for that matter, do you?
 
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