Luke 6: A Verse (or Two) at a Time
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Good morning All. Today we have the Golden Rule. Here is Luke 6: 31
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Jesus makes this statement in both the Sermon on the Plain and the Sermon on the Mount. The parallel verse in Matthew adds: This is the Law and the Prophets. (Matt 7:12)
It could be one of the best known verses in the Bible. Variations of the same ethical principle can be found in other world faiths.
Do you consider this precept central to the teachings of Jesus?
Bible Gateway passage: Luke 6:31 - New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition
Do to others as you would have them do to you.
Jesus makes this statement in both the Sermon on the Plain and the Sermon on the Mount. The parallel verse in Matthew adds: This is the Law and the Prophets. (Matt 7:12)
It could be one of the best known verses in the Bible. Variations of the same ethical principle can be found in other world faiths.
Do you consider this precept central to the teachings of Jesus?
Good morning All. Today we have the Golden Rule. Here is Luke 6: 31
Bible Gateway passage: Luke 6:31 - New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition
Do to others as you would have them do to you.
Jesus makes this statement in both the Sermon on the Plain and the Sermon on the Mount. The parallel verse in Matthew adds: This is the Law and the Prophets. (Matt 7:12)
It could be one of the best known verses in the Bible. Variations of the same ethical principle can be found in other world faiths.
Do you consider this precept central to the teachings of Jesus?
Does that need to work 2 ways and thus not for the 1 lion 'rs? Thus threads accrues ... Mani dimensional ... ↔ ... its a sign I was told in chemistry for equilibration ... what b' ration? That blatting in the vale ... demands a second look; Ci!
Is that flat out ... something the humble should hide within with thoughts? Appears plain to*me as just logo ...
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This one, again, has its potential problems when stretched to its limit. Let's say I am into S&M and want to be hit with a paddle. So am I justified in hitting others with paddles because I am "doing unto them what I would have them do unto me"? Obviously not. So there has to be more to this than the raw words. In the situation I gave, consent needs to be involved. And I would hope that the S&M version of me would want to give consent to being paddled so would extend that others (I e. I want to consent to pain, so I will get consent before inflicting it).
My guess is this goes back more to the previous verse about giving and saying that helping someone should be a reciprocal relationship, not that Jesus is giving a blanket permission to treat others however we think we ourselves should be treated in all respects.
My guess is this goes back more to the previous verse about giving and saying that helping someone should be a reciprocal relationship, not that Jesus is giving a blanket permission to treat others however we think we ourselves should be treated in all respects.
I think it means you would like your wishes respected, and you should respect theirs. It’s not so detail specific. Bringing S&M into it is a bit off point.
I can adhere to it on a broader level. Like human rights level vs individualism. Obsession with Individualism is killing our humanity. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person…but not everyone is getting that right. Because the right to do whatever one wants is superseding the greater good.
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Bingo! I think this reflects the spirit of the teaching.
Maybe not. It is an extreme example but it makes a good point. We cant always assume that the wishes of others are identical to our own.
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Here's another example.
Some people value direct, honest communication. Others prefer more conciliatory language along with the directness. Still others like to avoid confrontation at any cost.
Say three such people have a disagreement. Doing unto each other is going to get tricky.
Some people value direct, honest communication. Others prefer more conciliatory language along with the directness. Still others like to avoid confrontation at any cost.
Say three such people have a disagreement. Doing unto each other is going to get tricky.
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I think it shows his humanity. He has a bad temper, or so it seems, that sometimes overrides his own moral sense and teaching. You'd think "God" would be better at checking his feelings and keeping this on point. OR, he does intend for things like "Do unto others..." to apply only within his community and not to those outside, which is basically favoritism or even elitism, also a sign of human failing, IMHO.
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There are many Christians who believe Jesus was without sin. I don't see it myself. How could he be fully human without knowing what it is like to err once in a while?
If course you could ask the same question about other aspects of His life such as parenthood. Let's not go there.
If course you could ask the same question about other aspects of His life such as parenthood. Let's not go there.
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Which is why I prefer the platinum rule. Do unto others as they want to be treated. Again, with limitations depending on the mental wellness of the person.
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As I think Paradox3 recognized, I was doing a reductio ad absurdum on it. Take something to its extreme to see how and where it breaks down. And I think what you are talking about (respecting wishes) is what Jim's platinum rule is about. Were the golden rule worded that way, your interpretation would be clear. That interpretation, which I agree with by the way, is not clear from the wording given us.
The Golden Rule is a practical application of the 2nd Greatest Commandment, "Love your neighbor as yourself." This is bad advice for a masochist and has a suppressed premise which is spelled out in Sirach, the Wisdom book that Jesus read, which is foundational for the Lord's Prayer (see 28:2):
"My child, respect yourself with humility, and give yourself the esteem you deserve. Who will acquit those who condemn themselves? And who will respect those who don't respect themselves (Sirach 10:28-29)?"
"If one is mean to himself, to whom will he be generous (Sirach 14:5)?"
A study of 205 high school juniors found that those with low self-esteem overwhelmingly thought of God as cold, distant, and impersonal, and those with high self-esteem thought of God as kind, loving, and forgiving. A robust self-image is unlikely to morph into arrogant self-absorption if one loves others equally to oneself and consistently acts in their neighbor's best interests.
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The key being that the ones with high self-esteem probably had parents, teachers, etc. who manifested love and kindness and those with low self-esteem likely came from cold, distant families or social scenes OR were bullied without getting support from adults. IOW, if we want children to have high self-esteem and a positive image of God, we ourselves need to manifest those values that we see in that positive image. We don't develop values on our own but learn them from what we see and experience around us.
But when the Phoenician woman got snarky with him about “even dogs get crumbs from the master’s table”, Jesus called her faithful. It seems he appreciated the justice inherent in the point being made more than worrying that not being polite was going to hurt peoples’ feelings. They had way bigger things to worry about than hurt feelings. That’s a modern first world problem, I think. Not saying I don’t get hurt feelings - but if someone is honest and direct and they make a good point, even if it’s rude, I can take it. I’m getting better at it. I live in a big urban neighbourhood now - you have to have thicker skin. I’m also braver about calling out bigotry - but I try to explain directly why it’s offensive without losing my cool. Because almost everybody is increasingly under pressure these days, it’s understandable that people will get testy.
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Good morning everyone. Thanks so much for your participation in this Lenten bible study.
Here is Luke 6: 32-34
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What is wrong with loving those who love us and doing good for each other? Jesus is quick to say that sinners do the same. It seems to me that He is missing something here. These are hallmarks of healthy relationships.
He is probably trying to say we are called to do more than this in our lives. Is He thinking of service to others & getting out of our comfort zones?
What is wrong with expecting to have a loan repaid? Maybe it is the aspect of receiving interest on the money (v.34) that bothers Jesus. Doesn't the Torah forbid God's people from charging each other interest?
Here is Luke 6: 32-34
Bible Gateway passage: Luke 6:32-34 - New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition
“If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. If you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. If you lend to those from whom you expect to receive payment, what credit is that to you...
What is wrong with loving those who love us and doing good for each other? Jesus is quick to say that sinners do the same. It seems to me that He is missing something here. These are hallmarks of healthy relationships.
He is probably trying to say we are called to do more than this in our lives. Is He thinking of service to others & getting out of our comfort zones?
What is wrong with expecting to have a loan repaid? Maybe it is the aspect of receiving interest on the money (v.34) that bothers Jesus. Doesn't the Torah forbid God's people from charging each other interest?