Is Jesus Really Coming Again?

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Waterfall said:
Except is that what scripture says? I was under the impression that according to the Bible there will be a judgement......so supposedly there will be many that will not be saved. After all God has intervened before and didn't save everyone.
Now personally I like the thought of just becoming a people that will all love one another and suddenly the whole world will live happily ever after....but has there ever been a point in history we've even come close?
That being said, do you or anyone, think God has a plan for salvation?
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My understanding is that Jesus came to give the message that folks were getting off course when it came to understanding God's will. .... The second covenant was - to put it in today's language - a refresher course in understanding how God meant us to live here on Earth.

I agree we haven't come close to us all living happily ever after - that's why I say, metaphorically, that Jesus hasn't returned.

God's plan, as I see it, is best described by Process Theology. A loving God doesn't, and can't, command us to love one another. What God can, and does do, is work with the current situation to bring about a better - more loving - outcome. In that sense, God needs us as much as we need God.
 
BetteTheRed said:
After quite a few decades on earth, I think that the percentage of my living is "in love" might be marginally higher than in my youth. But it's marginal, lol. I think I'd need a few lifetimes to get anywhere near "good" at this.
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Someone who is a guide for me in this all important subject of living a loving life was theologian and preacher Paul Tillich. He defined sinning as a state of separation. And this separation is threefold: there is separation within ourselves, separation from others, and separation from God, the Ground of Being. Thus loving is the opposite - a state of connection within ourselves, each other, and God.
Have you ever noticed, as I have, how strangely troubled you feel after an argument with someone? It doesn't even seem to matter if you thought you were in the right or the wrong - either way you feel unsettled.
Perhaps it's as Tillich suggests, that we are at that very moment, feeling separated from ourselves, the other person, and God?
I don't believe it's possible for we humans to be loving all the time - but, I know from my own life, that when I'm loving I feel connected. (And, in those moments of disconnection, I do what I can to regain connection. Forgiveness of myself, and, at other times, forgiveness of the other.)
 
PilgrimsProgress said:
Someone who is a guide for me in this all important subject of living a loving life was theologian and preacher Paul Tillich. He defined sinning as a state of separation. And this separation is threefold: there is separation within ourselves, separation from others, and separation from God, the Ground of Being. Thus loving is the opposite - a state of connection within ourselves, each other, and God.
Have you ever noticed, as I have, how strangely troubled you feel after an argument with someone? It doesn't even seem to matter if you thought you were in the right or the wrong - either way you feel unsettled.
Perhaps it's as Tillich suggests, that we are at that very moment, feeling separated from ourselves, the other person, and God?
I don't believe it's possible for we humans to be loving all the time - but, I know from my own life, that when I'm loving I feel connected. (And, in those moments of disconnection, I do what I can to regain connection. Forgiveness of myself, and, at other times, forgiveness of the other.)
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Have you ever noticed, as I have, how strangely troubled you feel after an argument with someone? It doesn't even seem to matter if you thought you were in the right or the wrong - either way you feel unsettled.

I copied this from your above post. I was thinking about that in a different context. Sometimes I feel that way because I am not confident about speaking up for myself. So, even if I feel that my position hasn't changed, I feel badly after standing my ground - even if I absolutely needed to. I don't like the feeling when people are upset or angry with me. It's hard to compartmentalize that pit in my stomach and get on with something else, trusting that I said what I needed to say.
Codependency can do that. When we always want to please others we sometimes push our own very real and valid needs down and completely replace them with others', or don't set boundaries. We don't speak up when something's wrong, then feel insecure when we do. It's different from interdependency.
 
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Kimmio Laughterlove said:
Codependency can do that. When we always want to please others we sometimes push our own very real and valid needs down and completely replace them with others', or don't set boundaries. We don't speak up when something's wrong, then feel insecure when we do. It's different from interdependency.
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We all need healthy boundaries. If others violate them I'm all for standing our ground. But, you're correct -if you're co-dependent- it is difficult to set boundaries and when you do it may cause feelings of misplaced guilt.
To regain a sense of connection - maintain the boundaries AND forgive yourself when you do.....

Most things that are worthwhile are often difficult - but inner peace requires it.
 
Separation, dissemination, dissociation and thus on to anti social behavior in the personality development!

Given many steps of judge mentalism one steps off the borderline personality line into the impossible ... a sense of psyche, mind, sol whatever and then one is part of the autonomous ... out there in their field! Mental dis ease ... it is so contrary to affiliation forces ...

Thank god for a Phi Lia*M ... the wholeness! At some point it integrates ... all a dark thing to the individualized ... as dark, mysterious and thus unseen ... given the light of present learning curves!

Knowledge is destructive to certain essences ... be aware of it! Leads to blues ... in differing shades ...
 
BetteTheRed ----you said -------and you "know" all of this because of a literal reading of a sort of literature ---

NO ----for me the Scripture is not just a bunch of stories like it is for you and others ------so are you calling God a liar ??-- *sigh*-- *sigh* and *sigh*
His Word Says that Jesus is the Word and Jesus lives today -------and it also says the His word is Truth ----so truth is not just a bunch of Literature as you put it ----and The Word who is Jesus also says that He is alive and active today -----So the Word --lives ------and that is the real truth that you don't want to believe -----

You Said -----What are we going to do about your stuck-ness, unsafe?

I say to you ---with a big *sigh* ----and what are you going to do about your stuck-ness of unbelief of what God Himself has said id truth ------
 
The belief of some folk in what's missing and the resultant void is extensive and unbelievable ... considering what they don't know about conflicting myths in that book of loss (laws)! Loss???? Thus it go west ... from the land of the rising sun ... May be sung to Amazing Grace ... yet rises Ire in the reconstituted who toute that they know all that's tous!

Bishop Spong wrote a book on unbelievable materials found in the kings authorized book as representative of God(s)? Then God rested ... unopened by masses ... little more understood in vast layers ... just doesn't stack up! Van Winkle's Blink ... gone in a RIP Ur ...

Some investigation will reveal that it was 13th in line after the original Vat a Canus conceived by Rome ... imagine the slipups made in transliteration ... not to mention the transmutation ... supporting a transmedia and well-red shift in motives ...

Could this finally balance out when crossing that impossible line? Thus the troubling of ... what? Uris ... peas oles ...
 
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Ritafee ----you said -----
Judgement comes one day at a time and you die all the live long day.


NO --the Judgement you talk about here is self Judgement ------and every time you Sin you die emotionally with guilt ---there is a much bigger Judgement coming to all who reject Jesus as their Lord and Saviour ----

You said
Jesus has not left the building ... and the kingdom is always at hand.

I say this is a true statement --Jesus is alive and well ------and you are right again ----if your referring to the Holy Spirit as the Kingdom who is at hand for all those who accept Christ in their hearts which is the only way to God's Heavenly Kingdom ------all according to scripture ---NOT ME FOLKS

All about what you want to believe ------
 
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Ritafee ----you said -----
Judgement comes one day at a time and you die all the live long day.


NO --the Judgement you talk about here is self Judgement ------and every time you Sin you die emotionally with guilt ---there is a much bigger Judgement coming to all who reject Jesus as their Lord and Saviour ----

You said
Jesus has not left the building ... and the kingdom is always at hand.

I say this is a true statement --Jesus is alive and well ------and you are right again ----if your referring to the Holy Spirit as the Kingdom who is at hand for all those who accept Christ in their hearts which is the only way to God's Heavenly Kingdom ------all according to scripture ---NOT ME FOLKS

All about what you want to believe ------
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It is said to believe what you Wills ... and leave the alternate along as an abstract ... impact soff stone personality is not pleasant as Eddies ... holes in the waters ... some up some down (it is biblical).

The night was dark and Skye was blue ... thus the thing passed as a hard lump ... bump in the night? Stabbing event ... only in psyche ... not existent according to those supporting Willis alone ...
 
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And Folks -----God says He is Coming Again -----actually He is coming 2 more times according to scripture ----

Once here ----for His Believers ------dead first --then alive Believers ----all will be caught up with Him ------that is what this scripture says Folks ----NOT ME -------you can believe it or not -----

Read the whole Chapter ---I am post this section -----which is relevant to His Coming ------

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Bible Gateway passage: 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 - Disciples’ Literal New Testament

Do Not Grieve Over The Dead In Christ. We Will Rise Together To Be With Him Forever - And we do not want you to be unaware, brothers, concerning the ones falling-asleep, in-order-that you may not grieve as indeed the others— the ones not having a hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and...
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1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 (DLNT)​

Do Not Grieve Over The Dead In Christ. We Will Rise Together To Be With Him Forever​

13 And we do not want you to be unaware, brothers, concerning the ones falling-asleep[a], in-order-that you may not grieve as indeed the others— the ones not having a hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose-up, so also[b] God will bring with Him the ones having fallen asleep through[c] Jesus.

15 For we say this to you by the word of the Lord, that we— the ones living, the ones remaining[d] until the coming of the Lord— will in-no-way precede the ones having fallen asleep.

16 Because[e] the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shouted-command[f], with a voice of an archangel[g], and with a trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise-up first.

17 Then we— the ones living, the ones remaining— will be snatched-up[h] together[i] with them in the clouds[j] to meet the Lord in the air. And so we shall always be with the Lord.

18 So then, be encouraging[k] one another with these words

I say ---I think this is why you see all the signs that say -----are you ready for the coming of the Lord ------or are you Rapture ready --------

i say ---so lets have a look at the word snatched up here in this scripture Folks --------many use the word Rapture ----which is not the word the Scripture uses ----it uses caught up or snatched up ------these words come from the Latin word rapio -----which is where I believe people get this word Rapture ----both Enoch and Elijah were caught up or snatched up by God while they were alive -----this is according to God's Word ---

rapio (Latin)​

Origin & history​

From Proto-Italic *rapiō‎, from Proto-Indo-European *h₁rp-i-‎, from Proto-Indo-European *h₁rep-‎.

Verb​

  1. I snatch, grab, carry off, abduct

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and Once here
Then He comes a Second Time -----this is called the Second Coming ------if you read Revelations this happens at the end of the 7 year Tribulation and this is when He does battle with Satan -and the earth is destroyed -----the battle of Armageddon as people call it and also it is when -Jesus separates the Sheep from the Goats--- then comes the Great White Throne Judgement for unbelievers and the Bema Seat Judgement -Or as it is known --the Judgement seat of Christ for believers -----
 
GeoFee said:
That is what you say scripture says unsafe. And of course your interpretation is correct. Any who disagree with you are going to hell.
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Oh God assist us ... or your mere image on the other side of the thinking matter ... immaterial? Well according to those taking the literal sense of knowledge is evil ... how do they deal with this literal crap when is only apparent, or so it seems to be?

Can crappy thoughts lump up like a thump in the night? Can't see it because of it being dark transcendental meditation ... transported by ends ...

May be a real stick Lear ... similar to Moses' Rod ... and canes twin Dide Muse?
 
unsafe said:
And Folks -----God says He is Coming Again -----actually He is coming 2 more times according to scripture ----

Once here ----for His Believers ------dead first --then alive Believers ----all will be caught up with Him ------that is what this scripture says Folks ----NOT ME -------you can believe it or not -----

Read the whole Chapter ---I am post this section -----which is relevant to His Coming ------

classic.biblegateway.com

Bible Gateway passage: 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 - Disciples’ Literal New Testament

Do Not Grieve Over The Dead In Christ. We Will Rise Together To Be With Him Forever - And we do not want you to be unaware, brothers, concerning the ones falling-asleep, in-order-that you may not grieve as indeed the others— the ones not having a hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and...
classic.biblegateway.com classic.biblegateway.com

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 (DLNT)​

Do Not Grieve Over The Dead In Christ. We Will Rise Together To Be With Him Forever​

13 And we do not want you to be unaware, brothers, concerning the ones falling-asleep[a], in-order-that you may not grieve as indeed the others— the ones not having a hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose-up, so also[b] God will bring with Him the ones having fallen asleep through[c] Jesus.

15 For we say this to you by the word of the Lord, that we— the ones living, the ones remaining[d] until the coming of the Lord— will in-no-way precede the ones having fallen asleep.

16 Because[e] the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shouted-command[f], with a voice of an archangel[g], and with a trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise-up first.

17 Then we— the ones living, the ones remaining— will be snatched-up[h] together[i] with them in the clouds[j] to meet the Lord in the air. And so we shall always be with the Lord.

18 So then, be encouraging[k] one another with these words

I say ---I think this is why you see all the signs that say -----are you ready for the coming of the Lord ------or are you Rapture ready --------

i say ---so lets have a look at the word snatched up here in this scripture Folks --------many use the word Rapture ----which is not the word the Scripture uses ----it uses caught up or snatched up ------these words come from the Latin word rapio -----which is where I believe people get this word Rapture ----both Enoch and Elijah were caught up or snatched up by God while they were alive -----this is according to God's Word ---

rapio (Latin)​

Origin & history​

From Proto-Italic *rapiō‎, from Proto-Indo-European *h₁rp-i-‎, from Proto-Indo-European *h₁rep-‎.

Verb​

  1. I snatch, grab, carry off, abduct

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and Once here
Then He comes a Second Time -----this is called the Second Coming ------if you read Revelations this happens at the end of the 7 year Tribulation and this is when He does battle with Satan -and the earth is destroyed -----the battle of Armageddon as people call it and also it is when -Jesus separates the Sheep from the Goats--- then comes the Great White Throne Judgement for unbelievers and the Bema Seat Judgement -Or as it is known --the Judgement seat of Christ for believers -----
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So you believe in the rapture unsafe?

I believe it was a man named C.I. Scofield that taught the false doctrine of the tribulation but the full credit goes to John Nelson Darby a 19th century theologian.
If the rapture were true it would mesh with all scripture about Christs coming....but it doesn't.
Prior to this theory about the rapture no Christian had even heard of it for 1800 years.

What Paul is really saying is not what you may
have been taught.

"Above all you must understand that no prophecy ever came about by the prophets own interpretation."
2 peter 1:20
 
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GeoFee ---you said -----Any who disagree with you are going to hell.

No ---what your saying here is what you want to believe ---cause you hate the truth of what the Scripture says --so you have to blame the poster of the Truth ----and that is OK GeoFee --you can blame me if you want to but that won't change the truth of what God's Word says -----

Twisting scripture doesn't change it GeoFee ---it just makes it suit what one wants to believe so they don't have to obey or believe the Truth -----that is just how I see it -----

So you can twist and turn the scripture all you like ---it doesn't affect me in any way ----what it does do though is it puts the onus on you for distorting truth and sending your Flock to hell -----which then you are responsible for ----not me ---Your a Minister preaching to Many weekly -----your in danger of sending many to hell by teaching wrong twisted doctrine ---

I Teach the Truth of Scripture to individual people who the Holy Spirit sends me to -----and we pray for the Holy Spirit to direct us in the Truth of the Scripture that we are directed to talk about -----

Sugar Coating Scripture is very bad for the Soul ------that is my belief
 
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GeoFee ---you said -----Any who disagree with you are going to hell.

No ---what your saying here is what you want to believe ---cause you hate the truth of what the Scripture says --so you have to blame the poster of the Truth ----and that is OK GeoFee --you can blame me if you want to but that won't change the truth of what God's Word says -----

Twisting scripture doesn't change it GeoFee ---it just makes it suit what one wants to believe so they don't have to obey or believe the Truth -----that is just how I see it -----

So you can twist and turn the scripture all you like ---it doesn't affect me in any way ----what it does do though is it puts the onus on you for distorting truth and sending your Flock to hell -----which then you are responsible for ----not me ---Your a Minister preaching to Many weekly -----your in danger of sending many to hell by teaching wrong twisted doctrine ---

I Teach the Truth of Scripture to individual people who the Holy Spirit sends me to -----and we pray for the Holy Spirit to direct us in the Truth of the Scripture that we are directed to talk about -----

Sugar Coating Scripture is very bad for the Soul ------that is my belief
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Read what you write sugar babe!

Expect ripples of thy slaughter over over the outside Zoan! Dying and fading giggles ... to add shades and specter ... oh Joey's ... literal apprehension of non appearances/ apparent Sea like de Mere? Monster evolved ...
 
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