Holocaust denial and civil liberties

[Mendalla]

Saw this story on CBC and wonder what others think:

Canada should help Alberta woman on trial for denying Holocaust: civil liberties group | CBC News

On the one hand, Germany is a country that we generally recognize as democratic and having the rule of law, so our government would generally not intervene there.

OTOH, she is a Canadian citizen being tried in Germany for things she did in Canada and the civil liberties union points that Germany's anti-Holocaust laws may go too far and actually contravene international agreements on civil rights.

So, her view may not be a popular one or one we want to be seen as endorsing, but should Canada be standing up for her civil rights on principle whether we like what she says or not?

 

[Luce NDs]

Are such claims as hollow as nuts and thus should be relegated to the Poo Deck ... where all chit is rye ... it follows as reason processing alien data ... web ITs?

 

[Mrs.Anteater]

Saw this story on CBC and wonder what others think:

Canada should help Alberta woman on trial for denying Holocaust: civil liberties group | CBC News

On the one hand, Germany is a country that we generally recognize as democratic and having the rule of law, so our government would generally not intervene there.

OTOH, she is a Canadian citizen being tried in Germany for things she did in Canada and the civil liberties union points that Germany's anti-Holocaust laws may go too far and actually contravene international agreements on civil rights.

So, her view may not be a popular one or one we want to be seen as endorsing, but should Canada be standing up for her civil rights on principle whether we like what she says or not?

I tried to find anything about this in a german news paper but interstingly, google comes up with right wing reports about the court dates only. Eventually, I found a site about the court decision about her brother, which ruled for him to have to pay $5000 Euros.
Both siblings are constantly publishing stuff about the Holocaust being a lie and the jews being behind everything including 9/11.
I suppose they arrested the sister,so she can’t return to Canada before her court date.
This is not just about denying the Holocaust but about spreading hatred speech. Hatred speech leads to hatred action.
Who is more guilty, the one who kills or the one who brainwashed the one to make him kill?
Its not that this law gets used a whole lot. But if you travel to a country, you should be aware of local laws.
If you get your hand cut off for shoplifting in Iran, you better stay away from Iran or from shoplifting.

 

[Lastpointe]

But we have the rule of. Don’t break laws in other countries. We won’t be able to help you


Who didn’t learn that rule from Midnight Express

 

[revjohn]

Saw this story on CBC and wonder what others think:

On the whole I'm in the "You made your bed now sleep in it" camp.

Germany's hate laws may be more stringent than our own. I suspect that is the inevitable pendulum swing from a country who is on record for having at one time set the standard for hate crimes.

Germany is a democratic country. Her punishment, if convicted, is not likely to meet the standards or cruel or inhumane.

Don't know if Canada needs or even should intervene.

 

[Waterfall]

What happens if anyone stands up and denies that any genocide happened in the world? Why does the holocaust have special considerations?

 

[Mendalla]

What happens if anyone stands up and denies that any genocide happened in the world? Why does the holocaust have special considerations?

I would hope the same. However, no other country that I know of has laws like Germany's on the books, which is part of the problem the CLU has with the law. It's a rare strong infringement on free speech by a Western democracy.

Usually we have the opposite problem: Countries trying to mute voices talking about genocides (e.g. Turkey and the Armenians). And we generally object to and try to help people convicted under those laws. Should we also be silent if Canadians run afoul of those laws?

 

[Mrs.Anteater]

Poland just made a law that nobody is allowed to blame Poland of having collaborated with Nazi Germany.

 

[Delightful Life]

Saw this story on CBC and wonder what others think:

Canada should help Alberta woman on trial for denying Holocaust: civil liberties group | CBC News

On the one hand, Germany is a country that we generally recognize as democratic and having the rule of law, so our government would generally not intervene there.

OTOH, she is a Canadian citizen being tried in Germany for things she did in Canada and the civil liberties union points that Germany's anti-Holocaust laws may go too far and actually contravene international agreements on civil rights.

So, her view may not be a popular one or one we want to be seen as endorsing, but should Canada be standing up for her civil rights on principle whether we like what she says or not?

as your OP stands
yes, she is being persecuted for a foreign law
therefore, our gov't etc should "save" her

In more practical terms, the German law in question obviously hasn't worked. Nazi groups and such r on the rise in Germany.

Germany is an amazing (young) country. They have changed the world the most I think with its son, Karl Marx. Also German nobility becoming Russian rulers (there is even a theory I have come across that Russia is an invention by some German thinkers).

Peeps here already know what I think aboot hate speech laws...

I am leery of giving a gov't that much power to compel ideas or knowledge or speech...it is to me another example of religious blasphemy laws...infantilism of human beings...

I think the system in the USA is currently the worldz best. Canada and Britain are up there as well.

And what with the whole world havings its unique things it considers hateful or sacred or blasphemous...and more and more people coming online...by necessity i think people will have to adopt a more US Can Brit style of free speech...

I have sympathy for our politicians who have to exist in such a chaotic world

Where now one wrong phrase or word can get one fired
Or doxxed
Etc

 

[Delightful Life]

ps yall think this is bad
just imagine when thought reading machines become ubiquitous
imagine the hate thinking laws lol
*sends out swarmz of Meditation Warrior-Monks 2 train the world to save us all*

 

[Luce NDs]

Mute Asians?

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

On free speech vs. hate speech (maybe nsfw, a few swear words)... comedic exploration of a serious topic

 

[Luce NDs]

Is one held responsible for their free speech?

Some do not believe in consciousness ... and thus sub-con science is really out there ... as a mental turning point!

It cannot be defined in determinate ways ...